Republicans and Misogyny

Both parties are hypocritical. I'd love to see an end to this blame game crap. Real people see right through the farce that this partisan bickering really is.

It never accomplishes anything but increasing resentment between people.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Look, I'm not advocating for returning to pre-Suffragette times or anything like that.
I am trying to make the point that certain people, such as Betty Friedan, who wrote "The Feminine Mystique" were members of the Communist Party and were activists for communism. I am sorry if you have a problem with my pointing this out. Betty Friedan was a communist who actively got involved with NARAL and Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood was originally Margaret Sanger's American BIRTH CONTROL League, which changed it's name due to how Hitler was so enamored with American eugenecs he decided to use it in his war against the Jews. That is just historical. Rockefellers supported Sanger financially. Rockefellers have been part of the whole depopulation agenda since then. Depopulation is part of the whole UN Agenda 21 initiative as well, as they believe that humans are parasites ruining Mother earth and should be eliminated and they use buzzwords like "sustainability".
As this is a conspiracy site, I thnk that I have brought in conspiracy theory moreso than others on this subject. I am sorry if you don't like that I am pinning this on communism. Call it Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Globalism, Capitalism, TPTB, the Global Elite, the 1% or whatever you want. The goal is depopulation and control. The Far Left is what it is and Sandra Fluke is part of it. She has ties to Anita Dunn and Van Jones as well. Nothing is as it appears at first.

The Democrat Party is clearly hawking the same eugenecist depopulation agenda the early Progressives were and the same agenda that is in UN Agenda 21 today. But Richard Nixon a Republican enabled legislation enabling Planned Parenthood to use federal funding for abortions in the name of not adding to welfare rolls. In my view this is just as diabolical. So, it is a bi-partisan effort isn't it really?

reply to post by RealSpoke

Even republicans on ATS could care less about things like women being paid less than men go "who

Women should definitely be paid the same as men for the same position. However, the radical left uses this in their war against Capitaism. This is the element you don't seem to understand, even as you have told me that you have read Marx and you declared I must not have. You are apparently not aware of the many tactics the socialist Progressives are using to achieve their goals of social engineering and "social justice" as they like to put it.
Yes women ought to be paid the same for the same job, but legislating it is more nanny statism, just like the ERA was, just like Sandra Fluke wanting to force religious institutions to pay for contraception.

Oh by the way, I found an interesting thing on Sandra. It turns out that she reviewed the insurance policy BEFORE deciding finally to go to Georgetown. That means she accepted the policy with the express intention of challenging it.

For me the interesting part of the story is the ever-evolving “coed”. I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

www.jammiewf.com...

This means she is not only not a victim, but she is an activist with an agenda.

I believe that you may truly see yourself as an advocate for women, and of course that is admirable, and I will laud you for that,but somehow you have accepted this skewed bill of goods being sold to women wholesale.
I think you also missed the more subtle point of my post on Revelation and the Dragon MAKING WAR AGAINST THE WOMAN and her OFFSPRING.
That is easily understood i you are atheist, agnostic, or in general irrelgious or secular.
It is easy to see that many admirable people such as yourself can be misled by your own ideals to advocate something that is so death oriented and so against the free market as well. You said that I was a commie because I highligted doctors making money performing abortions. While that may be an element of free enterprise, the agenda behind it is much more diabolical, and what of federal funding for abortions? Isn't that socialistic in nature? Isn't forcing a religious institution to go against it's own moral values by the State bordering Totalitarianism?

Where are all the Lamaze instructors and the people to represent pregnant women's health issues? Where are all the people to advocate for chiropractic care and good health for pregnant women? Why were none of them represented at the DNC? Why was all the focus on things like abortion and contraception? Ask yourself this, and then review Revelation again.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel

1. When it comes to women-bashing, women do it best. Seriously, guys give up on the cattiness fare more quickly than most women do. So, it's not surprising to hear women bashing other women as not being woman enough for being a part of a different ideology--if they're really that different. Both sides do this, which is no surprise.

Yes, exactly. Look how it was liberal women who condemned Sarah Palin for making the choice to have her Down baby instead of aborting. It is part of the culture of death which has pervaded our society. And it sure sounds like old fashioned eugenics (the baby has a defect and should be killed for the good of society) to me.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Betty Friedan was a communist who actively got involved with NARAL and Planned Parenthood.

So? :-)

And in case you don't get what I'm trying to say here: so what?

wasn't it you that said this?

The radical feminist movement had it's moorings in the Communist Party. Yes that's right it was all to recruit women into the cause of communism.

Answer my questions - or don't, but - please - at least try and keep up with your own statements

I get it ThirdEye - I do. Everything bad that happens in this world - ever - is because of the Communists

you hate Communists - and you are no feminist

got it

:-)

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Reduced to calling me names. Did I rattle your cage? Calling me a commie,

I didn't know that was calling someone a name. If I called you a capitalist would that offend you? It was meant to be ironic since you're free market while trying to impose regulations on abortion doctors.

It's your right and privelege to think that however wrong and unscientific you may be.

Nope, a few week old fetus is not sentient.

You have a huge chip on your shoulder and I know I'm not the only person to observe it.

Sureeeee. I have a huge chip on my shoulder because I call out republican racism? I'm sorry you want to live in a fantasy world and ignore it. All racists should be publicly shamed.

Sandra Fluke does indeed have connections with known communists, such as Van Jones.

You act like communists are serial killers? They don't bother me no more than a capitalist does. You are brainwashed.

She has a socialist boyfriend and jet sets to exotic places.

And? Socialism does not have to equate to no rich people. Marx wrote very little on it, many people have developed their own theory on socialism. The same way that others branched off different versions of capitalism.

Or you agree with it and don't want to admit the whole Obama thing is nothing but Marxism through and through.

This is seriously the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The only people that believe it are uneducated as to what Marxism even is.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

This means she is not only not a victim, but she is an activist with an agenda.

She was never supposed to be a victim. She wanted insurance to cover birth control costs. What is the big deal? There isn't any.

You are apparently not aware of the many tactics the socialist Progressives are using to achieve their goals of social engineering and "social justice" as they like to put it.

As opposed to right wing free marketers trying to socially engineer people into demonizing the poor? You can see this in action right now as they try to blame the housing crash on low income people.

Or turn the USA into a Christian theocracy? Privatize all schooling? Destroy workers rights? They want neo-feudalism.

A huge portion of republicans are in the Ayn Rand cult, they are 1000000x more scary than any "socialist" would be.

Yes women ought to be paid the same for the same job, but legislating it is more nanny statism,

No, without "nanny statism" schools would still be segregated along with all businesses. Let me guess, you want to repeal the civil rights act in favor or property rights? You have a regressive mindset.

Where are all the people to advocate for chiropractic care and good health for pregnant women?

Chiropraction can cause strokes and damage your back over time, I wouldn't recommend it.

www.quackwatch.com...

Why was all the focus on things like abortion and contraception?

I watched it. They focused on a lot of things. Like social programs that allow poor women to get healthcare. The republicans focused on the "job creators" and how awful Obama is. They don't care about anything other than big business and social regression.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Betty Friedan was a communist who actively got involved with NARAL and Planned Parenthood.

So? :-)

And in case you don't get what I'm trying to say here: so what?

wasn't it you that said this?

The radical feminist movement had it's moorings in the Communist Party. Yes that's right it was all to recruit women into the cause of communism.

Answer my questions - or don't, but - please - at least try and keep up with your own statements

I get it ThirdEye - I do. Everything bad that happens in this world - ever - is because of the Communists

you hate Communists - and you are no feminist

got it

:-)

I never said I was a feminist. But I am a woman. Just because I don't agree with radical feminists doesn't mean I don't care about issues. What did I say about calling TPTB varying names? What does it matter if it's and R or a D? What did I say about Nixon?
Yes, radical feminism has it's root in communis. You say so what? Well that is exactly what put the Marxist in chief in the WH. The fact that you don't care shows me EXACTLY where you are in your thinking. I don't even care if you like what I say, call me hateful names, ridicule, or just blow me off as you just did. If even one person reads my post and gets the message, I don't care what you personally think.

reply to post by RealSpoke

As opposed to right wing free marketers trying to socially engineer people into

Projection much? It is the Progressives who have been busily rewriting history, brainwashing small children with pro-gay propaganda to indoctrinate them into accepting that lifestyle, using values clarification and other techniques to place a wedge between parents values and their children because they know children are vulnerable and must be given proper training. Maria Montessori wrote a book called "The Absorbent Mind", in which she explained that till age 7 the child's mind operates differently than adults and that it is as a sponge, absorbing everything in it's environment. The Progressives know this and now feel they must agitate for sexual lifestyles before the child has even gone to first grade. Obama himself advocated for sex ed for Pre K and Hillary and that mayor whats his face at the convention both advocate for Universal Pre K. It gets tiring fighting with people who adore Obama the Progressive, Obama the messiah, Obama the savior, Obama the moderate who is really right wing Christian....etc etc etc
You can defend him all you want, but some people do see his agenda.
You don't think it's a brainwashing agenda to parade all those radicals from NARAL and Planned Parenthood across the DNC stage and show millions of people how wonderful abortion can be? How much the Democrats care about women, so much they advocate the doctor's knife in their womb?
I have been more than nice to you in saying you may genuinely care about women, but the truth remains the same regardless.

quackwatch to counter my post about chiropractors? Between the two of us, I may have the bigger tinfoil hat. I won't apologize for it either. I was doing yoga before all those exercise videos came out, when Lilias Folan was first in the media. In fact I met Lilias. A number of my high school peers thought I was nuts. But I digress, I went to chiropractors for decades and it never gave me a stroke. I'm sorry, that just has to be a bogus thing.

The medical profession has a long history of opposing alternative healing professions. While always claiming public safety as its reason for the attacks, the true reasons often involve protecting their monopoly of the healthcare market.

Medicine's opposition to chiropractic was its strongest under the leadership of Morris Fishbein, Secretary of the American Medical Association from 1924 to 1949, who led a 50-year anti-chiropractic campaign in both professional publications and the public media.

The American Medical Association (AMA) has maintained a decades-long battle against "alternative" healing traditions, dating back to the 1920s and arguably even earlier. The courts eventually ruled in favor of the chiropractors in 1987, finding the AMA guilty of a conspiracy to take down the chiropractic profession, as the above article recounts in detail.

Or maybe I'm just more "New Agey" than you.

Namaste

reply to post by RealSpoke

You act like communists are serial killers?

You never read "The Gulag Archipelago"? You don't know about the various communist genocides?

CHina leads the way in death toll numbers
en.wikipedia.org...

In the introduction, editor Stéphane Courtois states that "...Communist regimes... turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government"[3]. He claims that a death toll totals 94 million[4], not counting the "excess deaths" (decrease of the population due to lower than-expected birth rates). The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:
65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union[5]
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam[6]
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."[4]

Courtois claims that Communist regimes are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement, including Nazism

Sometimes we have to read before we speak.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Yes I've read the gulag archipelago, the USSR wasn't communist, it was fascist.

So communists are committing thought crimes by being communist? I guess they're automatically guilty by thought association. Not very libertarian of you.

By your own thought process you are a serial killer, since you're capitalist. Do you live in a fantasy land where capitalism doesn't kill people?

Vietnam War

The Army of the Republic of Vietnam lost about 266,000 killed from 1959 through 1975. R.J. Rummel's range was 216,000 at the low end and 316,000 at the high end.[1] Guenter Lewy, from a US Department of Defense document, reported that ARVN suffered 220,357 killed from 1965 through 1974. A PBS estimate was a quarter of a million men killed in action.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

Iraq war - 100,000+

Korean war

According to the data from the US Department of Defense, the United States had suffered 33,686 battle deaths, along with 2,830 non-battle deaths during the Korean War and 8,176 missing in action.[195] Western sources estimate the PVA had suffered between 100,000 to 1,500,000 deaths (most estimate some 400,000 killed), while the KPA had suffered between 214,000 to 520,000 deaths (most estimate some 500,000). Between some 245,000 to 415,000 South Korean civilian deaths were also suggested, and the total civilian casualties during the war were estimated as 1,500,000 to 3,000,000 (most sources estimate some 2,000,000 casualties)

en.wikipedia.org...

Native American massacres

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded, and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

US civil war = 600,000

en.wikipedia.org...

The international arms trade = BILLIONS of deaths, all because of capitalism
People starving to death = billions by capitalism
People dying due to lack of healthcare = billions

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Projection much?

Uh no, both sides have an agenda, both try to brainwash people to agree with them.

rainwashing small children with pro-gay propaganda

Or do you mean brainwashing small children with anti-gay propaganda? Teaching teens the only way to live is to abstain from sex? Or that sex is evil?

You can defend him all you want, but some people do see his agenda.

I can see both sides of the right and left agenda. You can't, you're brainwashed.

How much the Democrats care about women, so much they advocate the doctor's knife in their womb?

Why cant you just get over the fact that people see abortion differently than you? This is the main problem with right wing people, they tend to be close minded and judge the whole world based of their version of reality.

I went to chiropractors for decades and it never gave me a stroke. I'm sorry, that just has to be a bogus thing.

No, they can cause strokes, it's well established fact.

went to chiropractors for decades and it never gave me a stroke.

This establishes what I was saying above. There is a whole different version of reality than what you've experienced out there.

As a total stranger (female) said to me yesterday, "I don't know why any woman would vote for a Republican."

Don't kid yourself. I have been active in both parties. Republicans have very backward views of gender, sex, martial relationships, etc. Democrats in general are the opposite. Give the Republicans power, and you WILL see your rights taken away.

reply to post by RealSpoke

Yes I've read the gulag archipelago, the USSR wasn't communist, it was fascist.

oh geez are you for real? Not that I haven't heard this same pitch before on this site. There are other socialist/communist/anarchists who all insist that the USSR isn't real communism. That's the biggest bunch of malarchy hogwish I've heard....well at least since POTUS speech at the DNC anyway, with Clinton running a close second.

Thought crimes? What does that have to do with nearly 100 million dead in the concentration camps and elsewhere? And you are trying to compare the death at wounded knee to 65 million Chinese dead? Or you are using the old liberal line of "oh look America is worse than all those Maoist commies. Typical. Don't you ever get tired of that bs?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


No, capitalists are the people that go on about "real capitalism". There is no such thing as "real communism", either it is or it's not. The USSR and Nazis were not socialists or communists. The workers did not own the means of production in Germany. Hitlers crony's did, via corporations, therefore fascist.

It's not my problem you do not understand socialism or history.

nd you are trying to compare the death at wounded knee to 65 million Chinese dead?

I'm comparing the billions killed through capitalism with the ones killed through "communism". People kill people, not political systems. Is that not your gun argument? Capitalism has a higher death count.

This debate is going nowhere, I resign.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by BobM88

 

Originally approved in 1994, the act brought about the expansion of community prevention programs, support for shelters and rape crisis centers, support for domestic violence victims in minority populations, and much more. The act was renewed and expanded in 2000 (notably it proffered assistance to victims of stalking and dating violence) and then again in 2005. The latest version of this bill extends protection to same-sex couples, Native American women, and undocumented immigrants.

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As if I needed another reason to ditch Mitch. Thanks for posting this though. I consistently voted against McConnell even way back when I was a Republican. I'm not a fan. I can't count how many form letters I've received thanking me for my various concerns about legislation I didn't like that he supported.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Did you know that the original feminist, Betty Friedan who wrote, "The Feminine Mystique" was a communist through and through?
The radical feminist movement had it's moorings in the Communist Party. Yes that's right it was all to recruit women into the cause of communism.

Regardless of her political leanings, Betty Friedan's The Feminie Mystique is often criticized by those who've never even read it. Have you? I have, and I'll tell you what. There was nothing in the book she presented that I disagreed with. I'm certainly not a communist and wasn't inspired to become one after reading it. You should read it- and i'm willing to bet you haven't. Most only read critiques of it.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

The fact that you don't care shows me EXACTLY where you are in your thinking.

What would that be? I'm serious - I'd be interested to hear you spell it out

I don't even care if you like what I say, call me hateful names, ridicule, or just blow me off as you just did. If even one person reads my post and gets the message, I don't care what you personally think.

I don't think that's true. If it is then why all the vitriol?

I wouldn't ever call you hateful names - and I most certainly did not blow you off

I asked you some questions earlier on that you never answered...

Think about it . If you feel like having a real conversation - simmer down and get back to me

I'm not going anywhere

:-)