honestly America is more than rich enough already!

Am I the only one that has seen the need for America to outsource jobs in order help out our fellow man?

Before the flaming begins, please hear me out, and think long term humanity, not short term greed. America has already got more than enough, we all pretty much WANT, not NEED. I am probably vastly less fortunate than many on this forum, as far as income goes. Yet I rarely complain about not having enough, I have much more than most of the peoples of this planet. I know this and thank my luck to be here in this country.

I believe that EVERY single job that was outsourced to other nations should pay fair value to those populations they went to, instead of simply putting more billions in the pockets of the already filthy rich. This is an easy concept to understand. America has plenty of wealth, they have already outsourced alot of our jobs, just pay well for them in other countries and they will have a chance to prosper also.

It is obvious to many that Americans are greedy selfish jack holes, we almost all have a car, a decent home, not owned, but a nice dry safe place to sleep at night, a computer, a cell phone, cable T.V. etc.

Most of the people of this earth, have naught, but each other, and fear, hunger, and suffering. Why shouldn't some of Americas prosperity be outsourced to give others of the world a shot at closing the gap?

I mean when is enough enough? I think that is the largest problem with this nation, those super rich, need to step asside and let the younger generations take their place and have a shot at making a couple of buck also, instead of being 90 and a billionaire, and still sticking it to the little guys for the sake of pure greed. It is just evil, you got yours, you greedy #wads, step asside and let sombody else have a shot at a better life. Or at least stop paying mcdonalds wages for jobs that used to pay enough to prvide a decent living, instead they hire illegals to do all the construction jobs, driving down labor costs to the point where mcdonalds litterally pays the same as masonry or concrete work( litterally 2 of the hardest jobs in the world)

When I was in highschool back in the late 90s, I made $15 an hour as a helper to a construction company, now that same company pays people who have been there for 5 years $14 an hour WTF? Minimum wage was $4.25 an hour at the time, now it is $7 somthing, am I the only one that sees this as a problem?

The 3rd world, and early developing nations are in the same position, they are more than happy to work hard, they just want a shot at prosperity. The only way for this to happen is for some of the wealth of the richest countries in the world to lose money, sending it overseas so these other peoples can also have a chance at not living in filth, and shanties. I don't think it is so bad actually, I think to many are just plain greedy, to the point of pure evil.

Most of you spend more on phones, guns, drugs, clothes etc a year, then most on earth make in 4 years of slave type labor, why do you feel you are deserving of what you have and much more still, yet these billions don't even deserve a small home, and a refigerator?

It just discusts me, that I am content with my $30,000 a year, and most of you are still greedily trying to grab up more all the time even though you live in a mansion, by my standards, and have single outfits that cost more than my entire wardrobe. Yet don't consider yourselves greedy.

I understand most of those offended by this won't understand and will start the # talking, bring it on, I am not concerned about a bunch of self serving lowlifes try to degrade me. Give it your best shot, but be warned, I can give very well when I am roused, so don't come with it if your going to cry about it afterwords.

Outsourcing is a hot button issue and one that effects a lot of people. I have sympathy for all humans. But taking a job away from person A to give it to person B simply because person B will work for much less money. is unjust.

Now if a company grows enough that they can hire person B while keeping person A employed? I'd be fine with that. But, as it stands now, companies are moving jobs from America and not replacing them. That's the problem.

~Heff

How do you feel about the people that are like you?

Put in long hours and save money for the college education. During college eat ramen noodles nightly while cramming for tests and only operating on 4 hours of sleep. Do this for years.

Once you graduate and get your shiny piece of paper you hunt for a job, for years. Working night shift for a cleaning company.

You finally get a job offer! 50k a year! Work there for 4 years with no raise due to the economy.

Log onto ATS and see a thread about how life is so unfair.

Priceless.

The whole reason why they outsource is because they can purchase slave labor...that's the REAL issue. It isn't to spread the success, it's to siphon all of the wealth into a smaller and smaller group. Outsourcing is exploiting poor people in other nations while creating poor people in the USA.

reply to post by Hefficide


Very good point Heff. I didn't mean take a $80,000 a year American job and send it to china to them $1 a day. I mean that when they take a manufacturing job from America and send it to china, the worker should get fair vvalue out of it, instead of the same greedy billionaire, just keeping even more money he does not need.

It all boils down to greed, and it will be the end of us all. There shouldn't be a single billionaire as long as a single person who is willing to work goes without. It should be criminal.

Not to say I think the .gov should take it and redistribute it. I think that people should stop being insanely greedy and provide a decent living wage for their workers who are providing them with their money to begin with.

It is a coultural issue, that must be addressed at the family level, starting in childhood. Instead of teaching children the only way to measure success is how much you have, they should be taught that success is how much you have given.

I have made it a point to always inform my children of the need to care for others, and when your in the position of being on top, you must take care to remember how you got there, and allow others a chance to flourish also.

There is plenty to go around for everyone, but sharing is somthing that is treated as dumb nowadys, it disgusts me to no end.

I get by alright, I am not asking for more for myself, even though by mosts standards I would be dirt poor. By my standards I am wealthy already, I don't need more. Many others need a lot though, as they are dying of hunger, not dying for the new iphone, or another new car, or house.

i doubt nike paying malaysian workers 25 cents a day to make air jordans and then selling them to western consumers for $200 a pair was done to help out your fellow mankind.

reply to post by litterbaux


I was in the military, I went to night school, and I had a part time job on the side to pay for school. I still eat ramen almost daily, so my chldren don't have to, even though they love the stuff.

Life will never be fare, but that doesn't mean that so many should compound the issue by intentionally causing strife on countless millions and billions, for the sake of dying with the most money they can't use.

I have answers that will work to many of these problems, but the greedy masses that will never be able to aquire enough material possession to satisfy themselves, want nothing to do with them, as they would require, caring about someone else once in a while, and not definning their existance by material greed. It is too far outside their realm of thought.

It is quite sad really .......IMHO opinion of course, I am smart enough to know that just because it sounds good to me doesn't mean it is good, or thers would agree.

Compared to american wages, people working these outsourced jobs in, for example, china, are working fot free. Thats not helping our fellow man, thats abusing him. Why not pay them american wages? Its only about corporate greed.

Ever been to michigan? Our economy is totally shot. Its starting to recover, but it pretty much was # since the 90s. Why? Outsourcing. All we ever did was make cars and paper. We dont make paper in the area i live so....

What am i supposee to do for a job?

Oh, and i drive a truck. Theyre trying to bring mexicans in to do it for free while feds and states try to fine us to the poor house. The solutiob for myself is easy, haul dangerous chemicals. Most chemical companies are very picky about their carriers

reply to post by randomname


Which is exactly the problem this thread is about, or did you just comment without reading?

I think we all agree slave labor is the problem, paying fare wages for outsourced American jobs jobs is the answer.

reply to post by inverslyproportional


I do agree with you that Americans are spoiled to an amazing degree. Used to if you said you were poor, you did not have a phone, or TV, or internet or air conditioning, or any of the things touted as "necessities" by Americans today. That being said though I don't believe for two seconds that outsourcing jobs to other countries really does anything to raise the workers standard of living. They are paid just enough to keep working and needing their next paycheck. I see this happening here in America with the jobs that have longer hours, reduced pay, less benefits and the pension that vanishes as soon as you go to collect it. The profits go to the banks and the corporations and the mega-rich. I worked as a surveyor for 3 years on the KXL project before I got sick. I made 7.50 an hour and never got a raise because "the economy is bad right now, wait until it gets better." In the end they got us to do all the boundaries and centerline (the hard stuff) then laid us off and got local survey crews who they could pay even less to finish up.

flawed plan...
the companies that outsource pay (if you can call the pittance the workers get pay ...) a tiny fraction of what the item they make sells for in a month..

20+ hour workdays 7 days a week - no sick time . no holidays . no benefits

housed ( if such places co
uld be called housing..) 25-50 people in a tiny room with substandard - if any sanitational facilities .. limited to no cooking facilities...

high suicide rate due to the subhuman conditions they have to endure all so fat .. lazy ... westerners can have the latest idiot devices and designer goods ... then complain that they got shoddy goods...

yep ... outsourcing ... modern day slavery ...

reply to post by Cancerwarrior


I never said outsource the jobs and pay nothing, I said the jobs that were outsourced that were decent paying in America, should pay a fair wage to those peoples in the countries they went to.

Instead of once again, just putting further billions into the pockets of people who are already rich beyond meaning.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by Cancerwarrior

 

I never said outsource the jobs and pay nothing, I said the jobs that were outsourced that were decent paying in America, should pay a fair wage to those peoples in the countries they went to.

Instead of once again, just putting further billions into the pockets of people who are already rich beyond meaning.

But therein lies the problem, whats the point of outsourcing these jobs if you are going to pay the same thing as you did to Americans? Thats not profitable. I was watching Shark Tank the other day. There was a woman who had a makeup line that she wanted to be produced in American factories by American workers so she could say so on her product. They would have none of it at all unless she agreed to outsource the manufacturing to China where the cost was 1/10 of what it would have been over here. Also many of these other countries have no EPA or regulations with waste disposal so its much better incentive to outsource as well.

So taking one persons job away and giving it to someone else for pennies is helping?

There is nothing good for outsourcing for the American unless you are the CEO of the company that decided to outsource to China for less.

I worked in a couple decent sized call centers that have both been closed and sent overseas. One had about 1000+ people working there and it handled multiple credit card customer service accounts, directory assistance (long distance and international) and a couple other programs. It was closed after 10+yrs in business and sent to India. So tell me how all those people losing their jobs here helped anyone?!?!

Outsourcing is a selfish greedy act. The companies use slave labor. How is that helping anyone!? You need to do some research on out sourcing. I dont think you really know what goes on. There is a documentary out there I think it's called Outsourcing, and it is pretty informative. Companies only outsource for cheap labor and personal gain!

Originally posted by RealSpoke
The whole reason why they outsource is because they can purchase slave labor...that's the REAL issue. It isn't to spread the success, it's to siphon all of the wealth into a smaller and smaller group. Outsourcing is exploiting poor people in other nations while creating poor people in the USA.

edit on 5-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

This is the point that is blatantly ignored on a consistent basis. There isn't any moral virtue in the outsourcing of production/employment. As if it's being done for the benefit of the Asian, or any foreign social system. It's done in many countries because of the relaxed regulations on things such as child labor, minimum wage requirements, environmental considerations, and corporate taxation. Of course that's the preferred way to do business in a true unregulated free market system.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
It is obvious to many that Americans are greedy selfish jack holes, we almost all have a car, a decent home, not owned, but a nice dry safe place to sleep at night, a computer, a cell phone, cable T.V. etc.

Tell that to the 46.2 million Americans living below the poverty level in America.

WASHINGTON — Another 2.6 million people slipped into poverty in the United States last year, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, and the number of Americans living below the official poverty line, 46.2 million people, was the highest number in the 52 years the bureau has been publishing figures on it.

SOURCE I'm sure all of them are drug addicts and lazy though. No percentage of that could possibly be the disenfranchised middle and lower class. Keep in mind these numbers only include below poverty levels. If you add in the families who are near poverty levels it would not surprise me to see total numbers around 60-70 million. I think I'm being generous with those numbers as well, considering the service sector is the biggest portion of employment in America today due to the fact of a disappearing manufacturing industry.I concede to everyone having transportation, cell phones, and computers. Sometimes in excess considering their financial situation. Plenty of times I've seen individuals taking advantage of benefits given by the government. There is always a personal responsibility to do the right thing. and not everyone abides by proper etiquette. It compounds the issues we already face, and makes a bad situation worse.

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Which brings us all back once again to my op, that clearly states that GREED, is the problem, and is the only thing not being addressed.

Every single politician, and many members here, cant see the big picture. Billionaires, already have more than any person would or could ever need for any purpose, but instead of everyone coming together, to try to fix our problems, you keep all saying the same things, which were addressed in my op if you would have read it you would have known this already.

This thread isnt about "you took our jibs". It is about, America is plenty rich already, even poor Americans are very well off compared to most of the people in the world. Yet all that most care about is personal greed, screw everyone else.

THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY BILLIONAIRES AS LONG AS A SINGLE WILLING TO WORK PERSON STARVES!

I was hoping to be able to move past this part of the conversation already, but none of you really seem to get what i am saying. You all think i am say, we should outsource more jobs.

I am saying we already outsourced many good jobs, they should pay better for others so they can also have a chance at prosperity. We as a people can make this change, but we have to do it together.

The answer isnt the .gov redistributing wealth, it is the people on the individual basis, making the right decisions, and helping our fellow man. It is an easy fix, stop ionly worrying about yourself and getting a new iphone, stop buying iphones until apple pays a livable wage to their slave laborers. Stop buy any products made by any company that outsources, and pays nothing. Stating that they will pay better or we wont buy from them ever again.

Screw their investors, screw them, help your fellow man, help yourselves, for #s sake. Stop buying these products from all of these evil companies, until they start acting correctly.

Dont worry, there are plenty of good companies that pay well and sell products, just buy from them, they will make any product you want to buy, and pay their employees well to boot.

Your all confused about the way this works, they dont dictate to us, we just let them, we tell them, they will listen, or their competitors will, and they will go out of business.

Apple only pays their workers slave labor because they are doing it and you continue to buy their products, stop buying until they pay better, and they will. In very short order.

Nike pays crap and over charges, stop buying their shoes until this changes, they will change, or somone else will do it for them.

Consumers drive this economy, companies give us what we want, they dont make you buy their products, you make the choice on a personal level, you just keep making the wrong ones.

Your all focusing on the symptom not the disease. There cant be an evil ologarch destroying lives and the environment, if you all stop giving them your money.

It really is that simple.

reply to post by GD21D


I am one of the very poor your talking about, I believe that you are being quite generous with your numbers also, and it is only getting worse everyday, because we ALL as a people are encouraging their blatantly bad behavior, every time we buy products from one of these companies, we are telling them we like the way their doing business, please continue.

You cant very well blame someone for doing deeds, that they keep getting rewarded for now can you?

We are the guilty parties not the corporations, they are only doing what businesses do, following the money, in as cost effective a manner as they can get away with. They are not the blame holders, it is us, we are the evil behind these things.

Go ahead say to yourselves " I am not evil, I am not causing this" but remember, the concetration camp guards said the same thing, " we arent evil, hitler was evil, we were only following orders".

I believe that this thinking was already debunked at the tribunals after the war, when they all got put in prison or executed, for being the problem, nobody can enslave and kill millions, unless they have the consent of the people, rounding them up, and guarding them, and herding them into the gas chambers.

Much the same as nobody can be forced to build iphones in a slave labor factory if nobody is buying them in the first place.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by GD21D

You cant very well blame someone for doing deeds, that they keep getting rewarded for now can you?

Actually I'm not really in a position to do much about it frankly, no more than you are. I understand where you're getting at in terms of coming to a consensus with regards to doing the right things. The most important aspect is communicating and educating, not necessarily throwing blame all aver the place. When you accuse and slander it only makes people less responsive and defensive.In terms of placing blame who is more responsible, the American with a expensive electronic, or the CEO of a large financial interest who receives hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses all the while his/her company has their hands out to the government for a bailout? You have to keep things in perspective and place blame appropriately. Furthermore, if our rewards are cell phones and computers I think we drew the short end of the stick, and I want another session at the negotiating table. With a true unemployment rate probably around 20%, a debt ceiling reaching 17 trillion, a defense budget reaching absurd levels, and an average education system I think Americans with some cell phones are the least of our concerns.Edit to add: I shouldn't have hit the post button before I finished my thought. You're seeing a natural progression though education by means of alternative media sources. Social movements don't really happen overnight. The tell tale signs are all there. They are losing their grip, and in turn they are attempting to tighten it through legislation.I believe the lesson of the tortoise and the hare applies here fairly well.