Standards Of Living; Crushed By Empirical Socialism

Now, I'm not saying this is a social state, by any means, however what I am saying though, is that the modern middle class, of 2012, is far below the rich 1 percent that owns 25 percent of all wealth. This is what is currently known. Pick your poison, choose your side, help the rich get richer, or stand up, and defend your people. Choose to fight, anyway you can. It's time we get back this nation. Too long, have we stood back, or hid away, far from the direct reach of the man, that is, the man being the ones high on power, influenced by greed of the dollar. Families of all races starve, while the man sits back, and laughs about it, floating in his rooftop pool, sipping on his wine cooler, or what have you.

There will come a day, when this man sees the flaming pits, and imprisonment of hell. He will see the beasts that dwell there, and he will be mortified/terrified. He will tremble in his helplessness, while the demons tear him limb from limb. He will die, but will still be aware. He will bleed, but will not run out of blood. He will feel pain, but it won't subside. He will thirst, but will not find water.

The Revolution of the twentieth century has indeed been started in the form of the ones who care, rising up against our oppressors, in the dark, and underground, through our testimonies, and words. How can we be rid of the Feds? They answer to no-one, and print money which essentially has no value. As many know, the dollar first came for a replacement for the gold in storage. Since this began, the value of the dollar decreased, as our storage of gold stayed the same, but the money that was printed, ever increased. "Don't have enough money, just print more." That's the mind set of the Feds, but who doesn't know this?

This country was founded on the freedom of religion, speech, and to bear arms, so that if the government begins to enslave us, we can rise up, and take them over. The whole reason we came over to America, was to get away from our oppressors.

I don't want us to have to rise up against the government though, if it can be avoided, but the Feds are running this nation into the ground. That will soon change though, whether it's by the New World Order, or by a Revolution. Something has got to change.

I'm tired of knowing that over fifty percent of the American people, who do have jobs, do all they can just to make it, week by week, living pay check to pay check while the millionaires, and billionaires live it up, buying anything their disgusting, wicked hearts desire. Our country, as pretty much everyone knows, isn't the only country whose got it bad. In all reality, we have it pretty good compared to some other countries, but America isn't today, what our forefathers, and founding fathers envisioned.

It seems as each year passes, we hear about more, and more freedom of ours being threatened. Though I don't believe by force, is the way we will fix America. Surely, we have the numbers, but... too many negative things come to mind when imagining trying to fix this government by overthrowing it with violence. What will it take? Is it really as simple as electing the "right" president? I personally don't think so, because the ones in power are behind the president, and the president is more of a puppet than anything. So who is in power? The word illuminati is irrelevant, because it consist of pretty much every secret society you can think of, so just saying illuminati, will not help, one bit. Unless you know something I don't, concerning the illuminati, and concerning the ones truly in power.

You could say the Feds are the major ones in power, since they answer to no one, and can print all the money they want, but... I'm thinking deeper than that. Evidence shows (and I don't have the links to support what I say, but information about the developing NWO is fairly easy to find) that the New World Order (NWO) has been in the making going back, if I’m correct, all the way back to the turn of the 19th century, forming various groups, and societies.

I'm a Christian, and my spiritual views cannot be rattled, so it makes me think... The NWO is supposed to come forth, why try anything to stop it? Though I believe we are supposed to work, and fix the problems we can, I feel some things in this life, are just bound to take place.

All I want to do, honestly, is take the money from the billionaires, and millionaires, and spread it evenly amongst the people.. I was always told growing up that life isn't fair, but you know what??..... It should be.

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I'm a Christian, and my spiritual views cannot be rattled, so it makes me think... The NWO is supposed to come forth, why try anything to stop it? Though I believe we are supposed to work, and fix the problems we can, I feel some things in this life, are just bound to take place.

This is why we must try to stop it, even if its inevitable.

"No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead he puts it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light."

If you are a Christan, you should stand in the way of any one world government, why would you not, there is nothing they can do to you that will effect your end destination.

also the whole "be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul"

It is your duty to stand up for what is right no mater the cost.

Not a bad post from a relatively newer member.There are some things I disagree with. One being the term Empirical Socialism. I would tend to call it Empirical Privatization if we are to combine the ideal of empire with a second term.Socialism in a broad definition is a publicly owned state dictated by an overseeing governing entity. In fact most of the wealth, land, and resources are not publicly owned, but rather privately owned. There is a reason the term "the 99 percent" has been coined.I like the OP's writing ability, and he/she hopefully posts more often.

There is no socialism, nearly all of the means of production is privately owned. The extremists (Tea Party Republicans) are now trying to privatize public schools, libraries, and parks.

Either that or destroy it. They have no care for the community, all they do its think about themselves and the corporate fascists that fund them.



What we have is crony capitalism mixed in with fascism.

There is a reason why this country keeps going more and more to the right because it benefits the rich and corporations.

All I want to do, honestly, is take the money from the billionaires, and millionaires, and spread it evenly amongst the people.. I was always told growing up that life isn't fair, but you know what??..... It should be.

I don't wanna take anyone's money if they got it legally,,,,But I do agree that people should be trying to make the world more fair.. If you are born in the inner city you are more likely to not graduate and forced to go to low quality schools. Saying "Lifes not fair" isn't good enough, people are just desensitized to the inequality in the world.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
There is no socialism, nearly all of the means of production is privately owned. The extremists (Tea Party Republicans) are now trying to privatize public schools, libraries, and parks.

Either that or destroy it. They have no care for the community, all they do its think about themselves and the corporate fascists that fund them.
What we have is crony capitalism mixed in with fascism.

There is a reason why this country keeps going more and more to the right because it benefits the rich and corporations.

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the means of production is not some company or thing.
it's the people.
the means of production is the people.

does someone own you?

last i checked you can't own a human being.

and we've been moving to the left for the last hundred years.
not the right.

the right in america, only exists in america.
it has nothing to do with fascism, or sociialism.

fascism in europe, is on the right, because the right of america does not exist anywhere else in the world.
__________________________ Europe __________________________
communism=============socialism================fascism
left----------------------------------------------------------------------right


_________________________________ America ____________________________
communism=socialism=fascism========//======capitalism=liberty=freedom=individual responsibility
left___________________________________________________________________ right


get it?

crony capitalism does exist in america, on both sides.

the only fascism i see, comes from the left. GM

Originally posted by TheBeatMasta

All I want to do, honestly, is take the money from the billionaires, and millionaires, and spread it evenly amongst the people.. I was always told growing up that life isn't fair, but you know what??..... It should be.

then what?

once everybody is living under equal outcomes, and equal misery.

then what?

who is going to produce the products you need, when their labor only results in equal misery?

who is going to clean the drinking water, and maintain the sewers, when their labor is equal to the same as some
marxist who sits on the computer all day making stupid marxist threads?

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Means of production refers to physical, non-human inputs used in production—the factories, machines, and tools used to produce wealth[1] — along with both infrastructural capital and natural capital.

en.wikipedia.org...

I take it you have not read anything about financial systems like most right wing people. They harp on about capitalism but have never read Adam Smith.

In a socialist economy all of the workers would own the means of production at the place they worked. There would be no CEO taking in 185x more than the workers...



And Fascism can be right or left wing.

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"who is going to clean the drinking water, and maintain the sewers, when their labor is equal to the same as some
marxist who sits on the computer all day making stupid marxist threads?"

right now there are probably many people who make more money sitting on a computer all day,, then the people cleaning water and maintaining sewers...

Thank you all for your interest in my thread, and your posts. I originally thought to place this article under the rant section, but since it is about politics, and posted here. Thank you all, again.

The particulars of political and economic philosophy aside, let's look at the phrase "standard of living". We're constantly told that our "standard of living" is being threatened. What's the western standard? Going into debt buying things you don't need to conform to perverted social expectations. Receiving a state-controlled "education" so that you're engineered to never question TPTB. Spending your whole life working a job you hate in order to avoid the alternative of homelessness and social ostracization. Etc., etc.

Not much of a "standard", something to be upheld as an ideal, if you ask me. I say the sooner it collapses, the better.

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Not much of a "standard", something to be upheld as an ideal, if you ask me. I say the sooner it collapses, the better.

Well it may collapse sooner than you think, but we all know change is inevitable. You ever wonder about Obama? Take a look at this short clip.........

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I agree though. I've never agreed with what you described, and have always noticed the lack of true freedom when observing this; go to work, hate it, come back home, same thing everyday, take out the anger from work, and the hatred of it on the people around them. It's dumb. Why waste your life in bitterness, and hatred? Oh yea, because once you become homeless, and lose identification, and important other documents, and such, it's nearly impossible to get back on your feet. I think everything is bound to change for the better soon. More, and more people are beginning to notice what you, and I see.

and we've been moving to the left for the last hundred years.

America has moved sharply to the right over the last 30 years, unfortunately. Luckily people are realizing now how extreme it is and bad for humanity.

The man is higher than military governments. The man is Bilderberg. We got to take them out, before they take us out.

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You are very thoughtful in wanting more people to benefit from the production of the economy. What we have is the classic contradiction between the owners of production and those who do the producing. Those who are actually producing are giving a gift to the owners of the means of production. As the owners do not produce anything, they must keep the producers convinced that it is in the best interest of everyone to keep giving the owners a gift of capital and labor. The Federal Reserve are very powerful owners of wealth distribution because they own the means to give labor and production value based on capital.

In my opinion. it would be a good idea for the actual producers to revalue their labor and production based on performance rather than only capital. Performance could be judged on the level of production needed to provide for everyone involved in the production, as well as, everyone who needs to benefit from the production. Yet, as long as we have the a contradiction in the material conditions between the producers and the owners; we cannot revalue labor and production.