Today God is no religion

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He is everywhere, all the time, watching you, watching me.

Not these days.

Originally posted by diamondoftheworldFear is not a constant depending on power.

Having too much fears is the result of the love of material things, worldly relationships, and too much love to oneself.

You fear for the economy for anything bad happens to it will mean the end of your world so you hop on job to job, places to places, country to countries to give you security and stability. Never contented, never bearing fruit. Always trusting on the world, not on God.

You fear of war you fear of not only losing your world but your life as well.

You fear of calamities, earthquakes, tsunamis, mega eruption. Because you will lose your world, your life? Are you afraid to meed God?

You fear your neighbors in the potential harm they can give.

You fear of what other men and women might of think of you so you would rather believe what everybody believes in, instead of standing alone for Jesus, if you have to!

You fear driving little cars for your safety. You'd rather drive big SUVs even if alone because you feel you'd rather survive than the other guy if you figure out in a collision. You'd rather waste more fuel hauling that hunk of metal than help reduce air pollution. What makes you feel more important than others?? Is it because of your salary?? Your purchasing power?? Is it because your god is money??

You fear for your loved ones because you don't want them to miss out on this world so what?? The things of this world are an abomination to God!

The unbelievers may not understand what I'm saying but you who profess to believe, you have no excuse! Why do you hang on to your stuff!! Why do you keep fearing on losing them, you insure every one of your possessions, your family?? This shows you are selfish way beyond what Jesus teaches! You love your stuff more than God. Jesus teaching the opposite of these things, stop living a lie!

Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by diamondoftheworldFear is not a constant depending on power.

Having too much fears is the result of the love of material things, worldly relationships, and too much love to oneself.

Nope. If there were a biblical god that kills and kills and kills, I would fear him immensely.

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

-Those who have all the power in the world have the most fear.
-Those who have no power have no fear.

Fear is not a constant depending on power.

Hint: There are two types of fear.

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Hint: There are two types of fear.

There is an infinite types of fear...but only one is real guess which one.

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Hint: There are two types of fear.

There is an infinite types of fear...but only one is real guess which one.

Fear is Deference and Humility before the Sovereign God's Authority. Whoever possesses this fear rules the universe by one law. Love fulfills all law. The will to give and receive provides only positive and no negative. The will to take drains the power in debt. No power is no fear. Positive polarity can only be created by giving. What is given must be earned first.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

The will to give and receive

The righteous asks for the Spirit of God, wisdom, truth, and the fulfillment of God's Will.

God's Will is turning the lost back to him.

Our God promises eternal life in return.

Are you expecting to receive the same things from God?

Or are there something else like happiness in the things of this world, better jobs, better house, better cars, better wife, better kids, better neighborhood, respect and adoration from men and women?

Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

The will to give and receive

The righteous asks for the Spirit of God, wisdom, truth, and the fulfillment of God's Will.

God's Will is turning the lost back to him.

Our God promises eternal life in return.

Are you expecting to receive the same things from God?

Or are there something else like happiness in the things of this world, better jobs, better house, better cars, better wife, better kids, better neighborhood, respect and adoration from men and women?

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When Abram became Abraham, the letter 'Hey' that was added to his name means, "Behold a great work." He was then told that his son would be the seed of a great nation. Shortly after, God asks Abraham to give it up. Why? Was he willing to give it up? Did God really intend for it to be given up?

What we most love in this life is meant to be given to God first. From there, we receive it back again within the proper context of truth. We can never take anything. It must first be offered to be received back. All the things you list are gifts and never something we achieve through our will to take. That was my only point.

Christ is this type of sacrifice. God has given His own Son as the same gift that we are required to reciprocate. Nothing can be taken. This is the point of holiness and our example to follow.

God's will is not so hard to determine. It's the will to give and receive. We are to run from being a thief. God's will always reflects this.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
What we most love in this life is meant to be given to God first. From there, we receive it back again within the proper context of truth. We can never take anything.

First of all, I don't advocate many of the teachings of Old Testament especially in its treatment of material wealth and the 'good things' in this world (advocates it in some areas). If you test it without bias, many would not confess Jesus. You don't literally have to find the word 'Jesus'. Just many teachings do not agree with Jesus, therefore, does not confess Jesus.

Testing spirit - must confess Jesus came in the flesh - agrees with the teachings of Jesus - if you can't accept or don't want to live the radical teachings of Jesus, then you don't believe He came in the flesh.

Jesus never preached giving to receive in the context of material things. It is always, giving up the former things to receive the Spirit. Giving up your own life to receive eternal life.

Jesus did preached giving in terms of material things but did not promise receiving it back while you are still alive. "Sell all your possessions, give to the poor, and follow me". What ever the rewards promised is given back to you after this life, not in this life.

Jesus even warns working (giving/giving service) for food that spoils. When giving feast, don't invite friends, relatives because they will return the favor, invite the poor instead. Give without expecting any reward.

God Blesses with the truth, the Holy Spirit, wisdom, perseverance, long suffering, and joy. The Devil on the other hand, blesses with wealth, power, adoration and respect among men, self-preservation(by Peter!) and health (Devil tempting Jesus with these things).

Do not be deceived, Jesus knows our hearts. His radical teachings are for a reason and it may be the only way we could stop deceiving ourselves.

Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
What we most love in this life is meant to be given to God first. From there, we receive it back again within the proper context of truth. We can never take anything.

First of all, I don't advocate many of the teachings of Old Testament especially in its treatment of material wealth and the 'good things' in this world (advocates it in some areas). If you test it without bias, many would not confess Jesus. You don't literally have to find the word 'Jesus'. Just many teachings do not agree with Jesus, therefore, does not confess Jesus.

Testing spirit - must confess Jesus came in the flesh - agrees with the teachings of Jesus - if you can't accept or don't want to live the radical teachings of Jesus, then you don't believe He came in the flesh.

Jesus never preached giving to receive in the context of material things. It is always, giving up the former things to receive the Spirit. Giving up your own life to receive eternal life.

Jesus did preached giving in terms of material things but did not promise receiving it back while you are still alive. "Sell all your possessions, give to the poor, and follow me". What ever the rewards promised is given back to you after this life, not in this life.

Jesus even warns working (giving/giving service) for food that spoils. When giving feast, don't invite friends, relatives because they will return the favor, invite the poor instead. Give without expecting any reward.

God Blesses with the truth, the Holy Spirit, wisdom, perseverance, long suffering, and joy. The Devil on the other hand, blesses with wealth, power, adoration and respect among men, self-preservation(by Peter!) and health (Devil tempting Jesus with these things).

Do not be deceived, Jesus knows our hearts. His radical teachings are for a reason and it may be the only way we could stop deceiving ourselves.

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Salvation brings freedom from the law. Galatians 3 explains this:

Galatians 3

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is no paradox between the OT and the NT. You are entirely mistaken and judging the work that God has accomplished to show us that the law is for thieves. Law is not for those who love. Love fulfills the law, yet we are not in context with this law until several things happen first. Primarily, Christ dying on the cross is the first step. I can simply remind you of what Abraham did not need to give. Who gave that Lamb as a sacrifice? Not you and not me. We can only receive and never give what was given. Even Abraham himself could not provide the sacrifice. Of course, Abraham was accounted to God by his faith.

Here is where you are making the mistake. Jesus spoke of what was necessary for a soul to please God. How many souls have pleased God here in this place fully, fulfilling the law in completion? How many? ONE. This is the point of Jesus "radical" teaching. It's only radical when considering the perfection that is necessary before the eyes of God. We are not speaking of repentance. Christ was not baptized into the water of reality like us. We are baptized in repentance. It's the entire reason were are here. Christ died for one reason: His death did what our lives could not. We cannot deceive ourselves into believing that we can duplicate this sacrifice. We cannot. Our sacrifice is Him only. Our inheritance is what is given back to us in relation to his payment for our debt.

In the sequence of events in the Bible, we find the following:

-Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
-Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
-Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
-Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION

Once we have the Holy Spirit as a gift given, then we will be in context with truth. Not until this is given. Right now, the Holy Spirit is a comforter only. Salvation is the final thing given after the next 1000 years. We must be born again. In other words, we will live again. Read the article on Water and Spirit Baptism in my signature.

You are correct on Jesus knowing us fully. He does. No testimony from us is necessary, yet we must confess with our own mouth. The last few verses in John 2 show this.

23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.[d] 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Christ died for one reason: His death did what our lives could not. We cannot deceive ourselves into believing that we can duplicate this sacrifice. We cannot.

First of all, I would like to thank you for explaining all these clearly

What is sacrifice?

Sacrifice is when you give up things you still love. It is not sacrifice when you left things you formerly loved because you found a new love - you had a change of heart.

It is not sacrifice if you let go of the old things because you found something better. Like you let go of your old car because you're buying a new car.

The Law according to Jesus not the law according to the Pharisees becomes a blessing rather than a curse. You now begin to love the works of God, instead of the works of men.

Yes, we can't duplicate what Jesus did, we can't even duplicate the all the things he commanded to his disciples. But with God all these are possible (Luke 18:27)

Luke 18:27 can have two meanings:

- Men's hearts love material things too much and fear too much for their own survival to follow Jesus. Thus, they think it is impossible for them to do. But God knows men could do these things if they change their hearts toward God.

- All these hard commandments become possible if you keep asking God to help you in the change. And indeed God will help you. This when you start seeing miracles happen in your life! Miracles in the form of opportunities for a ministry (not necessarily to your local church, it may be other church, or even your own ministry, independent of any church, but with God of course), doors opened, circumstances changed.

You may even be struck with poverty. But remember as opposed to the prosperity gospel, poverty does not always mean God is cursing you or judging you or He is angry with you or you did something wrong. To God, financial status means nothing to Him. If He knows your struggling to seek Him and love Him and sees things on your life you keep holding on to but is an obstacle, He might actually take it away from you.

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Absolutely, the pursuit should always be holiness. Keep something in mind. Mankind is not the only receiver of the message of scripture. Much of what is encoded into scripture is not to us exclusively. It's to the Angels. We are the ones in the dark by perception of the image God created.

1 Peter 1

This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Your premise is built on this being the final destination or the starting point. It is neither. When you look into a mirror, you are seeing an image. The image is the representation of you, but not you. That inheritance is being kept UNTIL salvation is revealed. Salvation is not revealed until Christ reconstitutes the temple and mankind is transposed from mortal to immortal. Salvation implies being saved from something. The key to this is found in the jubilee laws. It's a process. The best I can do for you is to have you read 2 Esdra. The messenger of Esdra explains this by the process of bearing children. The Angel gives Esdra several clues that can only be understood today by a keen mind. Esdra lamented of the few that would be saved. What he comes to realize in the end is something far better from mercy and grace. Read it with an eye to our future. It's a process. Right now, we are gearing up to receive the Holy Spirit. We can't receive it here in the water.

If you want further insight, read the Shepherd of Hermas. There you will find the key to Baptism. Our concept of baptism is that of immersion into water and raising to new life. Like flipping a switch, we somehow emerge as a changed person from the moment of conversion to the day we die. Heaven awaits after this is complete. This is not what the Bible teaches.

Keep in mind, the temporal image of baptism is not what the symbol represents. In the Shepherd of Hermas, it is revealed that baptism is the immersion of our soul into the water of life and this is our repentance. In other words, the life you live is your repentance that was an opportunity given before you were baptized here in this life. We are required to follow commandments. This is true. The point is finding our faith and acting on it. Yes. All true. The goal is what comes from the process over time. We are refined. What Christ did for us was the last leg of the 6000 year journey. At day 4, he died for our ultimate salvation after 3 more days (3000 years). When Christ comes with the Holy Spirit, mankind is changed. 1000 years pass and salvation comes. Until then, you must be born again.

Check in with Acts 24 and Paul is relating that both the righteous and wicked would be resurrected on the last day. Check in with Revelations 1:7 and we see that all knees bow; all eyes see; even those who pierced Christ. Connect the dots. Paul was telling us that the last day would see all souls on earth to see Christ come again, even the generation that pierced Christ. That means all 7 billion souls are here. The fullness of the gentiles needs to be here to assist Israel in seeing Christ. God did what we could not. The message is known throughout the world.

Also keep in mind that Jesus did not come for the righteous. He came for the sick and dying. Go back and read my threads. Also, read the threads of my past user, Superiored. Also, there is more in my signature link.