Texas GOP Mutiny - SC, VA, LA and Others May Join

reply to post by pajoly


The candidate shouldn't have any power! He is trying to get power and control over an election and he isn't even in any position. So now you get voted in by picking the people who vote?

This is ridiculous, I don't see how anyone, even Romney supporters can tolerate this? I hope that in all the arguing it opens, these newly disenfranchised Romney delegates, eyes and they decide on a better candidate.

reply to post by CB328


Oh.. get real if you don't think the democrats work the same exact way.
You really can't see that the whole election process is a show?

reply to post by CJCSuperman


Well.. if he won the general election the nomination would be sealed up for him anyway.

All Ron Paul had to do was just show up for the circus to begin. Now that everyone is watching the center ring we will watch the clowns shooting themselves in the foot. The hypocrisy now is flying high, gaining altitude, and will make a stupendous crash.

Dr. Paul brings out the best in the best of us. He brings out the worst in the worst of them, to their own detriment. The strong get stronger while the decayed and rotten gets expelled from this great body America.The healing has begun and the good doctor's therapy will continue long after he retires from practice.

Originally posted by pajoly

It was actually that any candidate that won delegates from a state could appoint their own delegates instead of them being elected from the precincts.

Outcast, read again the above part of your post and think what you are saying. So you support a person ruling and making an autocratic decision vs. the PEOPLE within their own districts selecting their own choice?

If this is what you really believe, that's fine. At least you are being honest that you prefer a dictatorship or monarchy over democracy.

I am confused if the object of this is to make sure delegates vote for the person that recieved the most votes in the primary how is that a dictatorship? What we have seen happen is the will of the people ignored and delegates chosen by a small group using a broken process, The best solution would be to make all delegates bound by the popular vote then it would not matter who was chosen as the will of the people would be enforced.

reply to post by MrSpad


It matters because the candidate (Romney this round) can remove a delegate that was going to vote for him, to appoint someone that will vote for him and donate, hell maybe even pay for the spot.

That is why that part matters, but in reality it is worse than that, because it destroys part of the system and ends any chance at a grass roots candidate winning via delegates. It means they recognized a problem because people actually got a REAL candidate this far and the corporatists won't risk a close call again, not even a remotely close call.

Originally posted by MrSpad

I am confused... the will of the people would be enforced.

The King gets to select his own electors.

In a way it would be like the Electoral College, but worse. No one on the local level would need play a part - and would be fools to think it would matter if they did.

I suppose you think it is a good idea?

Originally posted by MrSpad


I am confused if the object of this is to make sure delegates vote for the person that recieved the most votes in the primary how is that a dictatorship? What we have seen happen is the will of the people ignored and delegates chosen by a small group using a broken process, The best solution would be to make all delegates bound by the popular vote then it would not matter who was chosen as the will of the people would be enforced.

You misunderstand the proposed rule. In the primary process each state picks its delegates and selects its nominee in a manner each state thinks best. Some have primaries where delegates are "bound" and must then go to the convention and vote as they were bound. Some states choose to not bind delegates. Some prefer to "caucus" and have state-level conventions to nominate their candidate. Either way, the STATES make the decisions and it has nothing to do with election law. Parties are private organizations not public institutions so they can make their own rules. To drive home this point: If a party really wanted, it could select a candidate by pulling straws or in a poker game. So none of this refers to general election voting -- this is only a PARTY nominee process.

This new rule proposed by the national Republican party would force all the state level GOP parties to do as the national party demands in terms of party-chosen convention delegates. The rule would allow the nominated candidate to replace ANY state-chosen delegate with a person of his or her choice...even if that means replacing a delegate that was going to nominate him or her ANYWAY. What this is trying to do is to enable the candidate to dictate who gets the prestige and to force loyalty (which is an oxymoron). It also enables the candidate to replace EVERYDAY JANE and JOEs with high-powered lobbyists, donors or other people. It is saying, "Heck with you common person, heck with you State. I'm the boss now, you've done you little role no get out of the way so the important people can come in." Basically, it is the national party telling the state parties to go pound sand.

If you value states rights (even on a party level) or value the everyday common folk, this rule should incense you.

I can tell you if the DNC tried to pull this, there WOULD be a mutiny since it is made up more from the mid and lower socio-economic level people with a smattering of wealthy elites/academia. They go ballistic. But you'd never see the Dem establishment do this anyway because it has no MAJOR rogue elements in the party. But the Republican party is (very roughly) 1/2 working class white and 1/2 half rich folks with right Christians mixed in at all levels. These groups are a loose and uncomfortable alliance. The GOP leadership wants to keep the lid on the lower wealth end of the party and keep control by the establishment (rich elites).

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by fnpmitchreturns

 

From the way I read it .... it was regarding the next election if Mittens was president he could pick the delegates from the states which he won the electoral vote.... but it might be convention votes... that I am not sure of

It was actually that any candidate that won delegates from a state could appoint their own delegates instead of them being elected from the precincts.

Not just for Romney or the eventual winner...but for all candidates. This would prevent a situation where Canidate A gets 80% of the popular vote of the state, but candidate B games the system and gets his supporters elected as 60% of the delegates.

It's to ensure the will of the people is honored...I think it seems like a good system. It prevents shenanigans.

If a candidate won 80% of a state it should not be a problem for that candidate to seat delegates, after all 80% of the people wanted that person. But we all know that Romney did not win all those states, his support is non existent or we would not be talking about delegates. The process is a complete farce, and this delegate issue is proof of the rampant fraud that took place in the Republican primaries. Now they are changing the rules once again so that their fraud can go on unabated. You can spin this six ways from Sunday, but the proof is in the delegates.

romneys sent in to dismantle the gop
kind of like what he does to companies
does anybody else see this
hand delivering the presidency to Obama
Those wall street guys are pretty clever
then before its too late they'll shift back to Obama

More news from GOP covention...........

According to a convention seating chart obtained by POLITICO, “the delegations from Nevada, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota and Oklahoma all located on the outer fringe of the convention floor. Each are states with significant Paul followings.”

Let’s put it this way. Delegates from U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, American Samoa and the Northern Marianas Islands get better seats than Ron Paul’s supporters

Ron Paul State delegates are moved to the nose bleed sections and U.S. territorys move to the front.
Keeping any fight off the main floor.

blog.chron.com...

reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE


Shhhhh....!

Don't tell anybody the party is split and nobody really likes Mitt Money, except the people hes paying.

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
More news from GOP covention...........

According to a convention seating chart obtained by POLITICO, “the delegations from Nevada, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota and Oklahoma all located on the outer fringe of the convention floor. Each are states with significant Paul followings.”

Let’s put it this way. Delegates from U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, American Samoa and the Northern Marianas Islands get better seats than Ron Paul’s supporters

Ron Paul State delegates are moved to the nose bleed sections and U.S. territorys move to the front.
Keeping any fight off the main floor.

blog.chron.com...

edit on 28-8-2012 by OLD HIPPY DUDE because: (no reason given)

Grass roots Repubs hate Dems, but they love their fellow grass rooters in other states (as they should), so let's see if they all conspire too to shut down their brethren. Let's see if the rural GOP delegates will bow to their new king obediently or if they'll stand with their brothers and sisters.

Put your conspiracy hats on folks..... I am keeping up on as much happenings with the RNC right now as possible. Donald Trump was going to release aBOMBSHELL about Obama today in his speech which theRNC cancelled at the last minute.

Why?

That bombshell would have had the blacks and other Democrats rioting in the streets, thus making them the guilty party of the ensuing anarchy. Now, we have the RNC making new rules that appears to be making the Ron Paul and Tea Party people all in an uproar. Could they revolt? If there is an uprising, you can bet the ptb want it to be blamed on the conservatives and particularly patriotic Americans and not the beloved socialist faction in America.

This is a very hot issue. Keep watching, it's just heating up.

I saw an idea recently that I like; I would give credit if I remembered where I saw it.

Give us each a receipt when we vote. the receipt would have a number that could be double checked online to verify that your vote was recorded for whom you intended it to be recorded.

I think the biggest issue here is that we can't trust this private party vote to be honest and accurate. Why don't the party leaders want transparency? Doesn't every American deserve to know that his/her vote was counted?

It's time we had about 5 parties in this country. Libertarians would seem to have the best shot of getting this ball rolling. Then maybe we could have some fun.

People are always saying that both parties are the same, but this is not true. The two major parties honestly have different ideas and truly hate each other in some cases.

I prefer to look at this as a Lakers vs. Celtics situation. The two teams and their fan bases hate each other. Both sides want to win. The losing side feels real pain from the loss. But the owners make money no matter who wins. They sell tickets, popcorn, and t-shirts. In fact, the more bitter the rivalry, the more money the owners make.

In the 60s and 70s we had the ABA. It was a pretty competitive league. Dr. J played there. Eventually the NBA absorbed it. Power absorbs and consolidates. What ever happened to the Tea Party?

Dems and Pubs honestly dislike each other, but the money behind them finds a way to profit from their rivalry. Our brains are hard-wired for this binary, yes/no, black/white choice system. We need to be less gullible. We need to think instead of react. They are using our DNA and our reflexive actions against us and have been for centuries. We need to be reflective rather than reflexive. Bread and circuses indeed.

reply to post by notquitesure


You hit the nail exactly on the head. I saw the same idea, though I'm not going to say where I read it.

The two parties play on the "team orientation" aspect of human nature, something humans probably acquired through living a long time in competing tribes and small communities. People are odd in that they can be pushed to support something that may even be detrimental to them if only so their "team" can win. That is why the duopoly fits us so well, because its in our very nature as humans.

Consider the Lakers and Suns, both teams exchanged players so much they might as well be the same thing. The thing is, it didn't even matter to the fans what the players were; they would hate Shaq one minute and love him another, depending on what side he was on. The only thing the fans cared about was a name, their "team". Just like Republicans/Democrats derive a small part of what makes them... them from being a Republican/Democrat, regardless of what the parties principles are or what it does. This is gang mentality in a nutshell and makes no sense logically... people are strange huh?

The two parties use this against us to get things done that, otherwise, people would never allow to happen. Republicans turn a blind eye to their kin in order to oppose Democrats and visa versa. How many times have you heard the reason for voting Romney be "to defeat Obama", that reasoning ends all further critical thought on the issue concerning who Romney actually is and what he represents. As long as Republicans are winning (which they probably won't with Romney, I guess this fact also eludes Rs), nobody cares about any party line or principle and will blindly follow the Republican party over a cliff.

All is not lost though, many people are waking up to this little fact of life and I'm just happy to see other people on here talking about it. This seems kind of obvious when you think about it, but I don't think people fully realize the effect this has. I think this is what they mean by "united we stand, divided we fall" in that we are divided into teams when we all should simply be Americans, people care more about their political party than they do their country.

Needless to say the "Game" is rigged to its very foundation and all of this is just sewage floating on the surface. We are be manipulated on a much much deeper and wider level and while most of the dumb asses are and will continued to be fooled, distracted and trapped in their pile of dung and continue to be "None of the Above".

So what exactly am I talking about?

First, never ever forget the Rockefellers, their counterparts here and around the world; never forget their goals as Norman Dodd so clearly stated:


Secondly, try to recognize that below and beside these Global Elites and Puppet Masters are cabals like the "Knights of Malta". Do your own homework, there is plenty of information about who the "Knights of Malta" are, who their members are and probably are like Chief Justice Roberts. Be sure to read their oath.

Thirdly, never doubt for a moment that the British Monarchy is at the very top of this Pyramid of World Domination. If you are utterly ignorant about this Pyrimid and how it is organized, there are plenty of graphics showing it here: Pyramid of World Power

Fourthly, while there really is little you can do about it, you should know their goal is to consolidate assets globally in to the hands of their members by repeated "Booms,Busts and Gathering" of which their Banking Cartels play a major role. If you can't grasp this, it works like this 1)They make cheap money valuable to stimulate growth and new development of every kind and promote borrowing that can not be paid back, then they foreclose and repeat the rewards and assets to those who went out to create and develop new assets and they do so at pennies on the dollar. These foreclosed assets are bought up by their members, thus the super rich get more super rich.

Lastly, Obama, Romney, Bush, Clinton, Reagan and pretty much all of our Presidents are and were owned and put in place by these Global Elites so, do not kid yourself, it will not matter if Obama is re-elected or Romney is elected, their ultimate goals will be moved forward.

So, what is their ultimate goal? To get control of the United States and every country possible; to identify everyone particularly those who might be a threat, including but not limited to disarming Americans and anyone who might shoot or resist them and then when they are ready and have their "Control Grids" in place, they are going to find means to kill you off (80% of the World Population would be ideal in their minds). Wars are their best method for this but they want to kill you without damaging the planet so don't expect Nuclear Weapons to be used...they love animals so don't expect anything that will harm the natural world permanently to be used

Obama is being used to divide America and push hard on their Control Grid; that is what Obamacare is really about, it is about getting every man, woman and child in their system, identified, DNAized, tracked and controlled. The NDAA Bill is just a blanket Bill to make this easier but trust me, they are hard at work from many directions and on many levels. The North Star System for example; your Passport's RFID Chip and those in many Drivers Licenses now.

But back to Obama and Romney. As racial war in America would make them very happy particularly if it means all the "Trash" or all races killing each other but the bottom line is, they want this world cleared of all the ugly and useless people (by their standards) and if some of us beautiful and useful people get pull under with the rest, they are okay with that too because the important bloodlines will continue.

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Talk on twitter is that a bus full of delegates from VA was turned away from convention.

Nikki @NikkiFGL Getting info that the buses carrying VA and SC Delegates are be driven away from the convention. #RNC2012 #RonPaul2012 #shenanigans

I'm trying to find any other reports of this but haven't found any as of yet.

reply to post by CB328


I'm not sure of this but it's about damn time that Republicans woke up to the obvious voting fraud within their own party.

Instead of spending time trying to pass laws to restrict others from voting, why not spend more time finding a candidate that can actually beat Obama?

#delegates search on twitter

Sickhed @Sickhed RT @tweetAmiracle: @USA_Free_Press ArizonaLivePix #cspanRNC VA, RI, IA Busses all being redirected and held. NONE of those states delegates are present 4 vote

Can anyone confirm this?