Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one

reply to post by Painterz

Russia isn't a communist country anymore. It's best described as an semi anarchic gangster state.

That is actually true. I know someone from Astrakhan and he told me there was mafia rule and you cannot make money on your own. But I do worry about the people here in the States who seem to be bent on re creating the atmoshphere of Leninist communism. I know a lot of people don't believe it, but with people like Van Jones turning up as WH czars, and Anita Dunn preaching her love of Mao, the nationalizing the auto industry and healthcare, who can deny that world socialism is running rampant.

What I think is that while the globalists were trying to turn China and Russia into Capitalist states, they seem to simultaneously be ramping up socialism in Western Europe and the US. It may be that there is competition between two warring factions of globalists, but being that Rockefellers and Rothschilds just joined forces, and Soros is Rothschild tool, it seems it is all one big mess of globalist control using different methods in different places.

Originally posted by snowspirit
reply to post by Uneedhlp247

 

I'm hoping we can stay out of the US's war with the rest of the world....
I'm sure Australia is thinking the same way as us. We have more and more in common with Australia these days...

A percentage of the US is wishing they could stay out of the US's war with the rest of the world.
I'm certainly not trying to seem unpatriotic. I love my country and I love my fellow US citizens but the policies and chaos are another matter entirely.

Both seem to hate the United States for what it stands for? I would hope you are referencing the reality of this nation rather than some farcical notion that we are some bastion of freedom which we are not.

We are in no way the good guys in this world, if anything we are more efficient at our corruption than any other nation known before us and that's it. We whore out our superfluous good will like it was an add for Coke when in reality we are selling the world lies and cancer.

The last 100 years have seen the US commit a laundry list of atrocities in the name of empire and our efforts are only becoming more blatant. At some point if this continues someones going to put this rabid dog down or die trying and I can empathize.

What will we leave in the history books for a time long after us? Most likely a history of the shortest lived empire on the face of the planet and a warning for the nations of the future of how far you can fall when you abandon the principals you were founded on.

reply to post by Miri08


From an outsider's view, the US is becoming more polarized and chaotic by the day. Rather than a war with the other super power nations, I'm thinking a civil war of some type is almost more likely.

Originally posted by freedomSlave
reply to post by MrSpad

 

How can you possibly know how much china and russia spend of their military defense an research and development. I would bet it would be doubled or tripled of what they are releasing to the media .

well here's one way,

GlobalFirepower.com
you can view it two ways, one is list by country, and side by side.
here is the top three
1. U.S.
2 Russia
3. China.
this site does not count nukes, if those fly we all lose.
this is from China's page

FINANCIAL (USD)
Defense Budget: $100,000,000,000 [2011]
Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $2,876,000,000,000 [2012]
Purchasing Power: $10,090,000,000,000 [2011]

and the U.S.

FINANCIAL (USD)
Defense Budget: $692,000,000,000 [2011]
Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $150,000,000,000 [2011]
Purchasing Power: $14,660,000,000,000 [2011

next post i will put some equipment numbers
pretty good site for compressions

reply to post by miniatus


I apologize for the trickery. I thought the whole reason for such a thread was to get your attention, and bring you in for your opinion. Didn't mean to upset you sensitive types. Besides, if you didn't like what you saw when getting in, it just takes one click to back out. But look you already have several posts...

Originally posted by BacknTime
reply to post by Uneedhlp247

 

LOL, just more and more trolls showing up. USA will not win

UH OH!!

I shouldnt have said that, now im gonna get insults from people who just have to be total BG's to something they dont agree with, even if its minor. But Dont worry they are probably just trolls trying to seem clever in words, so ill ignore you.

Nothing like the old "if you disagree with me you are a troll" ad hom. well played.

here is a side by side U.S. China



U.S. Russia



now if you compare aircraft and naval units the U.S. just dwarfs Russia and China combined.
and that's where it's at Air and Sea my friends. you can have every man in the world, but if you cant get them there what you gonna do. and if you cant defend your self while your moving the men what you gonna do.
also the U.S. as of this moment has allies in europe, middle east, an asia at the time being. i'm sure they would lend a hand. just as china and russia. so this would be a all out world war if it started.

Originally posted by freedomSlave
reply to post by MrSpad

 

How can you possibly know how much china and russia spend of their military defense an research and development. I would bet it would be doubled or tripled of what they are releasing to the media .

Most of their money goes to keeping large bloated armies better suited to fighting other nations with large bloated armies. Considering the most likely wars they would face would be on their borders this makes sense. No power projection, low mobility and little strategic lift show that they see a more likely scenerio where they fight each other than they do the US. China has toyed with idea of creating modern mobile forces like the US but they are extremely expensive and as they do not plan on fighting the US anytime soon they have not bothered to upgrade much. Lack of any real naval power and few modern fighters would hamper any attempt to attack anything not attacked by land. And lets not even get into the lack a large unit training. And poor C&C.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


These stats are what I'm talking about! We spend lots of our military budget on product development to produce the newest and best. China and Russia steal our tech at a fraction of the cost. Russia has a sub pop up off our coast. Where we're our subs? China builds the worlds largest aircraft carrier and Obama decreases our military and it's budget. Did I mention he has been decreasing our nuclear arms since he took office. We need to have the biggest and baddest military not to take over other countries but to keep from being taken over. The touch me and you'll be sorry mentality. If you can't protect yourself you'll be picked on and tested. We must remain the big dog! We must remain!

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Once again those are the published numbers .... Do you actually think the usa military spending is exactly what they say it is to the media?

reply to post by MrSpad


Either way a full on attack on any of these soils by what ever country would be suicide . So called natural disasters or biological This war wouldn't be fought with force and might. IMO of course

In a war between US/NATO and Russia/China only roaches might win. And even that is a big if.

America started it .......... America always starts it and maybe this last war is just what the world needs , because i for one am getting tired of these games.

America will lose , Europe will become Russian and China will invade everywhere else.

google "nuclear arsenal USA"

lolol


any war will be fought through pawns like pakistan, korea's, isreal, iran....

or possibly with weather or economics

nobody will ever land troops on US soil

ever

it's just too expensive, as your nation gets vaporized

We should just let world leaders body box each others instead of going to War in which the civilian population is at risk, I mean hey you wanna get into politics? AWESOME, however; Prepare to defend your country at all times.

I mean even in the ME look how hot under the collar the leaders like to pretend to be, let them box it out I say.

Avg citizen usually doesn't GAF because they wont benefit directly either way.

Which would lead to an Extinction Level Event, complete fantasy

reply to post by Uneedhlp247


well most theft happened during the clinton years, and yes clinton helped them. say what you want, hill and billary are two of the lowest scumbags that walked the earth.
i have no doubts there was some cyber theft also, my answer to that unplug the damn modems, when no one is around to monitor them. and stop buying computers, components, and software from for foreign countries.
and have only military contractors work on our stuff. go back to the good ol days when the U.S. out classed everybody and there was no copy cats.

hopefully we won't have to worry about obama long, and romey and the rest of the government will see the light and turn things around. and i honestly think oboma is gone.

yes i have the carry a big stick mentally too. and also believe in dont ____ with me and i wont ____ with you.

oh and if i remember correct that new chinese carrier is a old russian one that they mothballed. i think it wouldn't be hard to send it to the bottom of what ever ocean they wish.

reply to post by freedomSlave


i think it would be tripled that maybe even more.
same as china, or russia.
point was to show, that even in disclosed numbers we spend more.

All China or Russia has to do is wait it out. Instigate a covert Civil War within the U.S. and then come in and wipe out the "winners of the Civil War or Revolution. How else will China claim their Debt the U.S. owes them? And Russia will finally get rid of the U.S.