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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
That is biased opinion mixed with fact. None of that debunks my post. You don't accept it because it wasn't included in the Holy Bible as approved by the Council of Nicea, correct?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
That is biased opinion mixed with fact. None of that debunks my post. You don't accept it because it wasn't included in the Holy Bible as approved by the Council of Nicea, correct?
The books of the Bible were never discussed at Nicaea. That council was convened to address the Arian heresy and to nail down a common date for Easter. Dan Brown sensationalised Nicaea and his book is fiction.
Arius appealed to Scripture, quoting verses such as John 14:28: "the Father is greater than I". And also Colossians 1:15: "the firstborn of all creation."
Thus, Arius insisted that the Father's Divinity was greater than the Son's, and that the Son was under God the Father, and not co-equal or co-eternal with Him.
Bishop Nicholas Loses His Cool (At The Council of Nicaea)
In AD 325 Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea, the very first ecumenical council. More than 300 bishops came from all over the Christian world to debate the nature of the Holy Trinity. It was one of the early church's most intense theological questions. Arius, from Egypt, was teaching that Jesus the Son was not equal to God the Father. Arius forcefully argued his position at length. The bishops listened respectfully.
As Arius vigorously continued, Nicholas became more and more agitated. Finally, he could no longer bear what he believed was essential being attacked. The outraged Nicholas got up, crossed the room, and slapped Arius across the face! The bishops were shocked. It was unbelievable that a bishop would lose control and be so hotheaded in such a solemn assembly. They brought Nicholas to Constantine. Constantine said even though it was illegal for anyone to strike another in his presence, in this case, the bishops themselves must determine the punishment.
The bishops stripped Nicholas of his bishop's garments, chained him, and threw him into jail. That would keep Nicholas away from the meeting. When the Council ended a final decision would be made about his future.
Nicholas was ashamed and prayed for forgiveness, though he did not waver in his belief. During the night, Jesus and Mary his Mother, appeared,* asking, "Why are you in jail?" "Because of my love for you," Nicholas replied. Jesus then gave the Book of the Gospels to Nicholas. Mary gave him an omophorion, so Nicholas would again be dressed as a bishop. Now at peace, Nicholas studied the Scriptures for the rest of the night.
When the jailer came in the morning, he found the chains loose on the floor and Nicholas dressed in bishop's robes, quietly reading the Scriptures. When Constantine was told of this, the emperor asked that Nicholas be freed. Nicholas was then fully reinstated as the Bishop of Myra.
The Council of Nicaea agreed with Nicholas' views, deciding the question against Arius. The work of the Council produced the Nicene Creed which to this day many Christians repeat weekly when they stand to say what they believe.
www.stnicholascenter.org...
The Humbled and Exalted Christ
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
~ Philippians 2:5-11
(Italics as it is written here)
www.biblegateway.com...
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
That is biased opinion mixed with fact. None of that debunks my post. You don't accept it because it wasn't included in the Holy Bible as approved by the Council of Nicea, correct?
The books of the Bible were never discussed at Nicaea. That council was convened to address the Arian heresy and to nail down a common date for Easter. Dan Brown sensationalised Nicaea and his book is fiction.
The Arian 'heresy' is still a thorn in the side of Christianity, and if one believes that the word of Jesus is true,, then as Arius himself quoted, I quote here via Wiki.
Arius appealed to Scripture, quoting verses such as John 14:28: "the Father is greater than I". And also Colossians 1:15: "the firstborn of all creation."
Thus, Arius insisted that the Father's Divinity was greater than the Son's, and that the Son was under God the Father, and not co-equal or co-eternal with Him.
sounds scriptural to me,, if I was of a Christian bent.
It is obvious there is a lot that the Vatican could come clean too,, if open access was given to their library.
I am sure in the future more will come out given the nature of things.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
In this way you will reach the fullness, the unity… How is that done? By union with each other and union within oneself…let perfect unity take the place of primitive dissociation and"division" …in other words, let the"outside" become as the"inside", the"upper" like the"lower", the male like the female; let the first become last and the last first: in short, let there be reunion of opposites…" ix “When you make the two one, you will become sons of Man and if you say: ‘Mountain, move!’, it will move."
-Taken from the Gospel of Thomas.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by adjensen
Keep looking; Jesus did in fact say that. Care to prove me wrong by providing the original Gospel of Thomas?
Since you would like to refer to that as a 'goofy freemason page', care to explain why the Author who has provided investigated and backed-up quotes, would make one up? I've checked a good majority of his quotes. They can be legitimized.
You are correct about it being similar to something a Gnostic would say; that's why all the Gnostic parts of the Bible were left out.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by VeritasAequitas
Spirituality is more than mathematics.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by adjensen
Keep looking; Jesus did in fact say that. Care to prove me wrong by providing the original Gospel of Thomas?
Sure, knock yourself out: Gospel of Thomas. If you want the original Coptic text to translate it yourself, go here.
Since you would like to refer to that as a 'goofy freemason page', care to explain why the Author who has provided investigated and backed-up quotes, would make one up? I've checked a good majority of his quotes. They can be legitimized.
How am I supposed to know why he would do that? I'm just telling you that he did -- that text didn't come out of Thomas.
You are correct about it being similar to something a Gnostic would say; that's why all the Gnostic parts of the Bible were left out.
They weren't "left out", they were never even considered for inclusion, because a) they were written long after the rest of the New Testament (apart from maybe 1/2 of the passages in Thomas) and b) they are representative of a different religion, so why would they be included? That makes about as much sense as incorporating books from the Koran in the Bible.