“Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act”

Well, here we go. Democrats in Congress are proposing a NEW law outlawing/banning online ammunition sales.

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112th Congress, 2011–2012. Text as of Jul 30, 2012 (Introduced) S 3458 IS 112th CONGRESS 2d Session S. 3458 To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES July 30, 2012 Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself and Mrs. FEINSTEIN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A BILL To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ‘Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2012’. SEC. 2. LIMITATIONS ON PURCHASES OF AMMUNITION. (a) Licensing of Ammunition Dealers- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 923(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended in the matter preceding paragraph (1), in the first sentence, by striking ‘, or importing or manufacturing’ and inserting ‘or’. (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 921(a)(11)(A) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting ‘or ammunition’ after ‘firearms’. (b) Requirement for Face to Face Sales of and Licensing To Sell Ammunition- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)(1)-- (A) by striking ‘for any person--’ and all that follows through ‘(A) except’ and inserting ‘(A) for any person except’; and (B) by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:

Democrats, thanks for making firearms are HUGE issue this election year. I am sure that SO MANY people are going to flock to vote DEM.

Like I and others have said before, the Dems are coming for gun rights and anything associated with it.

There real is no reason for this piece of legislation at all. You can go to Walmart and buy ammo and not have to pay for shipping and handling. Just another knee jerk response that treats a symptom but not the real problem. And I will say that while I do agree with certain aspects of gun control, this will not change or address anything other than to hurt law abiding citizens that enjoy fire arm recreation.

I've never bought ammo online. Thought about it....sometimes you can get some great savings or hard to find specialty rounds. But the shipping usually eats up most of the savings.

I will accept this idea of no online ammo sales just as soon as anything and everything is illegal to sell online.
It is a good thing that I reload!
On second thought, no I would never accept anything being illegal to sell online, more laws means more boots on your neck.
Those darn demopublicans!
Really, who believes in the two party system anyway?
It's a two sided coin folks.

Good.

Gun and ammo sales should all be done in person with proper ID and paperwork.

There's really no excuse for online gun/ammo sales

Ahh, more feel good legislation by our elected idiots in charge. The only thing this bill will do is prevent people who are avid sporting shooters from getting good deals any longer. This will do nothing to stop some psycho who decides he wants to go on a shooting rampage. If someone was so determined they would simply stockpile the ammunition patiently over a period of time. This would draw no unnecessary attention and it would still fly under the radar.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
There real is no reason for this piece of legislation at all. You can go to Walmart and buy ammo and not have to pay for shipping and handling. Just another knee jerk response that treats a symptom but not the real problem. And I will say that while I do agree with certain aspects of gun control, this will not change or address anything other than to hurt law abiding citizens that enjoy fire arm recreation.

The part in bold there, is our S.O.P. for everything. Fits in nicely with Problem-Reaction-Solution.
This is the same way our "Medical Establishment" operates. They never "cure" anything, only "treat" symptoms.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Good.

Gun and ammo sales should all be done in person with proper ID and paperwork.

There's really no excuse for online gun/ammo sales

Along with knives, pencils and automobiles right?
What a silly idea.

Now more toward the OP,
I don't quite understand why someone would not want me to have a stockpile of ammo.
Really, I am told that "the man" has technology that I could never bypass and that I do not stand a chance against a technologically superior invader.
So why would they EVER worry about me having an old British 303 and a couple of thousands of rounds for it???
I think there is something they are not telling us.

This should totally keep criminals and dangerous people from getting ammo... Cuz we all know when it comes to internet laws, they will definitely obey those...

same logic that applies to ammo and internet sales applies to the gun issue...

Making things illegal doesn't deter premeditated crime. If the crime someone is going to commie ie: murder is acceptable in the eyes of that person what in the hell makes anyone (politicians) think that the anti-internet sale act or whatever is going to be the nail in their coffin?

If someone has gone to the point they actually plan on killing someone knowing its illegal then all the other petty laws put in place don't mean squat...gun laws, anti ammo acts, whatever...they won't mean squat...

The hippocracy is also amazing since our own government and its fast and furious fiasco's are supplying weapons and ammo on the black market to KNOWN criminals...its quite apparent that their real interests aren't the safety of anyone...

The irony of the Colorado killer's weapons possibly being one of those provided on the black market by our own government is sobering....

Originally posted by DaTroof
Good.

Gun and ammo sales should all be done in person with proper ID and paperwork.

There's really no excuse for online gun/ammo sales

It is required for online sales.

Please, before you mouth off, gain some knowledge on the topic.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Good.

Gun and ammo sales should all be done in person with proper ID and paperwork.

There's really no excuse for online gun/ammo sales

On-line gun sales have to go through a licensed FFL dealer. Meaning you can buy a gun from Arizona that you've been looking for and have it shipped to a local gunshop. At that point you have to fill out the paperwork and background check before you can take it home.

And it seems to me that curbing on-line ammo sales actually removes a possible source of intel, after all you cannot buy things on-line with cash. There is always a trail on a credit/debt/gift card.

I guess they haven't heard of the deep web...........

reply to post by macman


The idea of shutting down online ammo sales is quite brilliant actually! (I am pro gun) If you look at the bigger picture it makes very good sense for a government that is heavily leaning on gun control! If you have friends in the police or fire departments ask them about emergency disaster planning. One of the first places that they will go and protect (shut down) are gun dealers!

What does that mean, no way for us to get ammunition!! It isn't about buying ammo on line, it is all about cutting off the supply!!

Political theater at it's finest featuring the usual cast of anti-second amendment politicians, i.e. Feinstein, Lautenberg, et al.
Feel good legislation that will do absolutely nothing to address the problem of gun-related crimes but makes the politicians look good for their electorate (at least the more ignorant ones)
There must be an exception in this law for .gov agencies since they would hate to inconvenience them in any way. Imagine the DHS captain having to run down to Walmart every time they need to qualify their officers at the range.
This would also be a big pain in the butt for people like myself with disabilities. It's hard enough to get to the range but I certainly don't need the extra hassle of having to go find a store that carries ammo, especially Walmart which is too far to walk so I have to get one of their motorized scooters to get to the back of the store and back again to the front.

ETA: many firearms are in hard-to-find calibers where the only way to get ammo is by mail order since stores don't stock it. I'm glad all mine are in common calibers but this will completely disable many from shooting their firearms! Bullcheet!

reply to post by macman


Thank god I no longer live in the US. I don't like people having guns but I must say.any hastily-made law is a bad law. I would never join the NRA!

How will this stop gun violence??

reply to post by Tiger5



That statement made no sense whatsoever

What a load of garbage was it me or were there a lot of back doors in that Senate bill?

And a Senate bill?

Is not all legislation suppose to pass through the House first?

Go on put more people out of work apparently who cares about the constitution trying to criminalize online ammo sales.

For crying out loud Feinstein and that lot don't have a damn clue.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Good.

Gun and ammo sales should all be done in person with proper ID and paperwork.

Like voting should be.

reply to post by JIMC5499


Don't you dare ask for ID to vote but you damn well better ask for ID for buy that box of ammo!

IF that doesn't show the hypoocritical stupidity of Feinstein and them nothing will.