How can you prove that Allah, Yahweh, Jesus etc. are not merely spirits masquerading as the Creator?

How can you prove that Allah, Yahweh, Jesus etc. are not merely spirits masquerading as the Creator?

In Buddhism and Hinduism, the "Creator" is merely a fake demiurge.


P.S. If you are wondering why I included Jesus, I agree with Dr. Richard Carrier that Jesus was never a physical person.

Not sure.

Tyhink it might have something to do with faith.

reply to post by NotReallyASecret


Well, in all honesty we realy can't. Kinda a loaded question.

hi op

can you believe im posting now
in a thousand years will it be debatable

i believe there is some truth to all religions
they all tie to the same thing
believe in faith and fear not...
When i was a child the school took us to a church, i hated it
i sort of knew it was wrong at 6yrs old
there is no religion
only you and i
i love my fellow peeps and they love me
thats what this world should be like
FECK government for they are the destroyers of nations, not you, nor i
20 yrs ago i thought i was an anarchist
then i grew up
now id be classed as a terrorist

i cant prove it, but i know someone who can

by their fruit.

A rose, by any other name.....

reply to post by NotReallyASecret

Can you post the Carrier link? It would help some of us try to answer this.

In other words, we would have a better understanding of why you believe Jesus was not a physical person.

Originally posted by NotReallyASecret

How can you prove that Allah, Yahweh, Jesus etc. are not merely spirits masquerading as the Creator?

Simple Answer = You can't.



Before even attempting such a feat, maybe you should try to prove that any of the above have ever actually existed outside of fictionalized stories.

Originally posted by BlastedCaddy
reply to post by NotReallyASecret

 

Well, in all honesty we realy can't. Kinda a loaded question.

edit on 29-7-2012 by BlastedCaddy because: Spicy Chicken Delux

Its a pretty basic question from my (Buddhist) point of view.

Many spirits pretend to be the Creator.

Even Catholic exorcist Malachi Martin said something like this.

One guy even wrote a book on this very topic, if you are interested.

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Would a far simpler and more productive question be -

"Prove they are not imaginary, then the easy part done, go on to" prove theire true identity " ???

Originally posted by benrl
by their fruit.

Exactly!

If you judge by their fruit, certainly Yahweh and Allah are mere spirits.

Thing is, when you meditate and receive the spiritual connection you will understand. Albeit, i have no proof of how one connects, unless you have been there. So my "argument" is moot.

To prove Yeshua, which i have had my own issues with, i can understand as i have been in doubt over the years. When one take some time out and meditate, deeply, it will hit you. No questions asked. Faith is what it comes down to, and it is not easy.

I have been doing deep meditation over the last couple of years (last few months has been my peak) and i am still a beginner. Nothing comes easy, but it becomes clearer.

I am still being laughed at, mostly from Christians themselves because of the way i pray/meditate. I can only say, yes, i pray using theta/alpha brain waves on headphones to help me go, or fall, into a deeper state. In my meditation i have always acknowledged our Father when i start meditation and protect myself from all which is not of our Creator, that which is evil or whom oppress, or would want to oppress us.

I have questioned Yeshua in meditation on various occasions, and it just became clear one day.

One should first seek, question and build your faith, and pray with all perseverance, and all will be shown. In a spiritual sense of course. If it hits you, it is awesome. It is not anything i can explain. It is just beautiful and full of love. It is our Father, our Creator, He whom gave part of Him in flesh and in that way have set us free from all, not only sin but all the weaknesses of flesh.

It is up to each to seek Him via prayer/meditation and make personal contact and not rely on others. You, yourself and The Creator. There is no middleman.

Love, blessings & respect.

How about this ?
Does not mean I need this to believe.

Proof ?

Originally posted by NotReallyASecret
How can you prove that Allah, Yahweh, Jesus etc. are not merely spirits masquerading as the Creator?

In Buddhism and Hinduism, the "Creator" is merely a fake demiurge.


P.S. If you are wondering why I included Jesus, I agree with Dr. Richard Carrier that Jesus was never a physical person.

edit on 29-7-2012 by NotReallyASecret because: (no reason given)

In Buddism and Hinduism (Bhagavad Gita) you have a nondual whole that is everything that exists. You can see it as a higher conciousness created of all parts. Even Jesus preach the same thing in Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version) but most people are to caught up in duality to understand it. www.biblegateway.com...

Human minds are just part of that whole trying to get back and connect to that whole thru the Oneness/Christ conciousness/Gnosis. Even if Jesus have never existed Christ Conciousness exist and people all over the world experiance it thru opening their chakras/meditation.

But maybe there is spirit on the otherside that is a manipulating ous and not showing their true intentions. I have something that sometimes come and comforts me sometimes and I love the purity of feelings I feel when it is near. Since it came when I was at my lowest and always makes me feel good then I have a hard time seeing bad intentions from it. But how can i be sure when I do not have all information that exists. Well I just have to trust it for now. Namaste

Prophecy fulfillment is a biggie that separates the men from the boys. The logic behind that aspect being who else but God would know the end from the beginning?

One world government here we come....

Originally posted by The GUT
Prophecy fulfillment is a biggie that separates the men from the boys. The logic behind that aspect being who else but God would know the end from the beginning?

One world government here we come....

I can think of no better answer my friend; good job!!!

Originally posted by NotReallyASecret

Originally posted by benrl
by their fruit.

Exactly!

If you judge by their fruit, certainly Yahweh and Allah are mere spirits.

That makes me wonder... how do we know what the creator should be like? Why are Yahweh and Allah just spirits, because they weren't nice all the time? How do we know what the qualities of the creator should be like? Something the bible said or another holy book?

We can not know what the creator is supposed to "look" like, we can not know if a being claiming to be the creator actually is the creator, and we can not know what the qualities of the creator is in order to "judge them by their fruit".

So, the only thing we can do is observe ourselves, our relationships with others, and the nature of the universe and try to put the puzzle together of how it all connects.

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You can spend several years painstakingly studying comparative religion, comparative mythology, and comparative mysticism until it becomes apparant to you how absurd your question is.

Originally posted by KaelemJames
Thing is, when you meditate and receive the spiritual connection you will understand. Albeit, i have no proof of how one connects, unless you have been there. So my "argument" is moot.

To prove Yeshua, which i have had my own issues with, i can understand as i have been in doubt over the years. When one take some time out and meditate, deeply, it will hit you. No questions asked. Faith is what it comes down to, and it is not easy.

I have been doing deep meditation over the last couple of years (last few months has been my peak) and i am still a beginner. Nothing comes easy, but it becomes clearer.

I am still being laughed at, mostly from Christians themselves because of the way i pray/meditate. I can only say, yes, i pray using theta/alpha brain waves on headphones to help me go, or fall, into a deeper state. In my meditation i have always acknowledged our Father when i start meditation and protect myself from all which is not of our Creator, that which is evil or whom oppress, or would want to oppress us.

I have questioned Yeshua in meditation on various occasions, and it just became clear one day.

One should first seek, question and build your faith, and pray with all perseverance, and all will be shown. In a spiritual sense of course. If it hits you, it is awesome. It is not anything i can explain. It is just beautiful and full of love. It is our Father, our Creator, He whom gave part of Him in flesh and in that way have set us free from all, not only sin but all the weaknesses of flesh.

It is up to each to seek Him via prayer/meditation and make personal contact and not rely on others. You, yourself and The Creator. There is no middleman.

Love, blessings & respect.

edit on 09/02/2012 by KaelemJames because: grammar/spelling

Buddhists meditate too, and they don't come into contact with Jesus.

Sam Harris makes a point about this. People have spiritual experiences, and they automatically fabricate a leap to Jesus because of their belief system.