Iran stockpiling food? Why?

reply to post by maes9

It probably has something to do with the fact that we haven't laced our constitution with statutes that systematically discriminate against religious minorities as Iran has done. We also allow more than one Jew to act as representative in congress and furthermore allow Jewish Americans to participate in the political and economic processes.

Originally posted by glasshouse
reply to post by maes9

 

It probably has something to do with the fact that we haven't laced our constitution with statutes that systematically discriminate against religious minorities as Iran has done. We also allow more than one Jew to act as representative in congress and furthermore allow Jewish Americans to participate in the political and economic processes.

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That may not fit in well with our western democracy ideals, but it fits in for their ME Theocracy. I'm not saying I agree with them, only that they are different then us. Different doesn't equal wrong, it only equals different.

reply to post by superman2012


I agree.
I just found it weird that only one person, If I remember correctly, in this whole thread would even admit the Possibility of anti-semitism existing in Iran. I readily admit that We have plenty of Anti-semitism in the U.S. I admit that my government is capable of spreading propaganda and doing some really creepy sh*t. I just don't think it's a stretch to suggest that those same things could be said of the Iranian regime.

Thanks for your thoughts

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
Sure. Or maybe they think that they are about to be attacked by a foreign power which has them completely surrounded by a ring of military bases, and who won't stop making threatening gestures?

I 100% completely agree with that. They know that the attack will come which comes to the conclusion that the Attack on Sryia will fail.

reply to post by Biliverdin


As I said, I post and/or answer questions not in effort to debate any points, but to give more understanding of the Muslims point of view, in effort that you understand where both sides are coming from and get a broader picture of the situation.

reply to post by glasshouse


well this issue is complicated and you are collecting your information from non_official sites.
Iran has approximately 70000000 population. there are 290 members in parlement. it means approximately every 200000 persons have a member in the parlement. all of people regardless of their religion can vote for them.
in other words they are representatives of each city or vilage that all of the residents can vote for them. and they should be muslim(just muslim no matter shia or sunnie). since 99.5% of Iran are muslim and to cover the other minority::
there are 150000 Armany christian in Iran that they have two members one for north one for south.
and 50000 Assyrian christian that have one member.
and 45000 Zartoshti (ancient religion of Iran) that have one member.
and 30000 jews that have one member.
and about Sunnies they are in some cities and in these cities they are the majority of population. so they select their members like others.
every 100000 increase in population or other considerations will add one member in the parlement.

this is republic not democracy. and in republic population is important. and now you know why they call it islamic republic.

reply to post by maes9

It's called an Islamic Republic because its laws are Islamic Law.
I'm familiar with the concept of republics. America is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
As to the point of many of my posts, would you be willing to concede the fact that some degree of anti-semitism does exist in Iran?
Would you concede the fact that Iran's government does spread propaganda just like almost every other nation on earth?
What does it take for my sources to be official? The Iranian Regime's stamp of approval?

Originally posted by glasshouse
As to the point of many of my posts, would you be willing to concede the fact that some degree of anti-semitism does exist in Iran?

Only if they are opposed to themselves. The Arab peoples are semites. As are Jews of middle-eastern origin.

The Iranians, like the Palestinians, are not opposed to Jewish people, what they are opposed to is the mass immigration of European (and other none semitic) Jews who imposed their culture on their countries. And it is fair criticism.

reply to post by glasshouse


It's an attempt at containment? Lmao it's an attempt to gain the Caspian sea and all the resources Iran has! It's an attempt to gain control/ invade another Middle Eastern Country! I hope anyone that attempts this role gets Wiped Out!!!!!

Originally posted by glasshouse
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yes you are right media is media. if official media are not reliable at all there is no reason that non_official media are completely reliable. I am trying not to be solid that there are no anti_semitism even one individual at all. or minorities have no problem at all. maybe some really hate jews the same that some jews may hate muslims and ... but hatred is not the teaching of monotheistic religions.
when one speaks of the role of religion in government the foreign observers remember the Theocracy and Medieval. but these are the experiences of europe. situation is different in middle east and especially Iran. when you look at history you see that before Islam although Iran had a long history for thousands year and also long history of engineering, that was after Islam that it's potentials boosted rapidly. for example science and that was because of teaching of Islam that insisted on science. I am not aware of history of other middle eastern countries but you may see the same there. so if they want to return to Islam it means that they want to return to their glory days not Medieval.
Iran has a leader is that a dictatorship or theocracy!?
presidency government is a short range government that is for four years and he can remain president through an election for another four years. the role of presidency government is the executive part that is supervised by parlement.
there is a long range government that is the leadership. that is supervised by a council. it is not executive at all. it's role is to maintain the revolution aims and desires. the long range programs may be proposed by the leadership to the parlement and short range programs are proposed by the presidency to the parlement to become corrected and accepted. anyhow everything should be passed through the parlement.
one of the main purpose of leadership is to prevent Dictatorship of executive government (presidency) ! and Synchronization of parlement and presidency or the Judiciary system.
when does the leader become a Dictator!?
when he does a sin ! for example lie or injustice or any act out of Islam or the benefits of country. or when he is not capable of leadering the country. then the council that are clerics elected directly by people should change him because he is a Dictator otherwise people should come to streets to change him like other Dictators !

having somehow two governments is to boost up the safety factor ! as Iran has two armies as well to prevent coup ! and history shows that these dualitieis have been successful in Iran.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Americans are to selfish to try and understand anything that hasn't got to do w/ them! Most think it's ok to invade and kill people in other Countries that don't go along w/ our belief system and our program, not to mention the resources that big Corps want to steal so they use our military to so it! . If it weren't true... Iraq and Afghanistan would be left alone ..... Period! Americans need to get over their God- like attitudes and worry about their own soil and leave others alone!

reply to post by Druscilla


This is probably the cause for their stockpyling... for sure. I hope it doesn't come down to this but I am assuming they have intel that states otherwise. No matter which way to look at it... war is probably on the verge in Iran. The rumors have been escalating for quit some time now.

the leader in Iran has a share in foreign policy. so I quote some of his statements.

"""Elections are the symbol of the Islamic movement in our country. Elections are the gift of Islam to our country. Our magnanimous Imam Khomeini taught us the principles of elections-based Islamic government. An image of the Islamic Revolution as hereditary rule had been created in the minds of the world.They thought of the Islamic Revolution as a government similar to the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties or as one similar to the Ottoman Turks` rule: someone with the name and look of a caliph, but with the inner qualities and practices of Pharaohs and dictators, someone who by himself introduces his successor to be crowned as king after his death."""
english.khamenei.ir...

"""Ever since early Islam, when caliphate was transformed into monarchy in the Muslim world, there has never existed a government which ruled on the basis of Islamic sharia. Even the Ottoman Caliphate which carried the title of caliphate was a monarchy. There were many Muslims who supported the Ottoman Caliphate because it carried the title "caliphate". This means that their rule was not rooted in sharia. None of those governments ruled on the basis of sharia, but today there is such a government in our country. """"
english.khamenei.ir...

"""Moreover, we people speak about Islamic tendencies in Egypt, Tunisia or Libya, what we mean is Prophet Muhammad’s (s.w.a.) Islam, the kind of Islam brought about security and divine blessings for all people in Medina, including Christians and Jews. When we speak about Islam, it does not mean we are calling on worshippers from different faiths to fight each other, it does not mean we are calling on Muslims to engage in sectarian confrontations. What we mean is the Egypt of the Forum for Proximity of Islamic Denominations, the Egypt of Sheikh Shaltut."""
english.khamenei.ir...

""""The solution of the Islamic Republic to the issue of Palestine and this old wound is a clear and logical proposal that is based on political wisdom accepted by global public opinion and it has been presented in detail previously. We neither propose a classical war with the armies of Islamic countries, nor do we propose throwing Jewish immigrants into the sea or intervention of the United Nations and other international organizations. We propose a referendum among the Palestinian people. Just like any other nation, the Palestinian nation has the right to determine its own destiny and to elect its own government. All the original people of Palestine - including Muslims, Christians and Jews and not foreign immigrants - should take part in a general and orderly referendum and determine the future government of Palestine whether they live inside Palestine or in camps or in any other place. The government that is established after the referendum will determine the destiny of non-Palestinian immigrants who migrated to Palestine in the past. This is a fair and logical proposal which global public opinion understands and it can receive support from independent nations and governments.""""
english.khamenei.ir...

He stressed: “The Iranian nation has never been after nuclear weapons and it will never go after such weapons. The Iranian nation will prove to the world that nuclear weapons do not bring about power. The people can shatter the kind of power that is based on nuclear weapons by relying on their talents and their human and natural capacities.”
english.khamenei.ir...

"""They already know this. I do not have any doubts that in the countries that are opposed to us, the organizations in charge of decision-making are fully aware that we are not after nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not at all beneficial to us."""
english.khamenei.ir...

moreover when I search about Jihad in that site I just see "economic Jihad", "scientific Jihad", and some about defensive wars in Lebanon and Iran.
Iran is different but it does not mean that they are Martians.

reply to post by Biliverdin

Emphasis mine

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Ahlamu, Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Ubarites, Dilmunites, Bahranis, Maltese, Mandaeans, Sabians, Syriacs, Mhallami, Amalekites and Ethiopian Semites.
It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Geschichte der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[6]
The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite.
The term "anti-Semitic" (or "anti-Semite") overwhelmingly refers to Jews only.[citation needed] It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called Der Weg zum Siege des Germanenthums über das Judenthum ("The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism").[citation needed] Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".[7]

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So, if I understand correctly, you are joining the chorus of posters on this thread that claim there is no such thing as Anti-Semitism in Iran?
How exactly has Israel imposed its culture on Iran?

reply to post by tracehd1

Lmao it's an attempt to gain the Caspian sea and all the resources Iran has!

Could you provide a good example of where we have done that in the past?
Which resources would you be referring to?

reply to post by glasshouse


From the same page that you quote from...

In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם‎, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ‎) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of; Akkadian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Ge'ez, Maltese, Canaanite/Phoenician, Amorite, Eblaite, Ugaritic, Sutean, Chaldean, Mandaic, Ahlamu, Amharic, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.

As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution.

It may be most commonly used to refer to Jews, but that is purely a European usage, and only in relative modernity, used for the reasoning behind the Jews being an 'un-natural' presence in Europe because of their semitic or middle-eastern, heritage.

But you are right, although I didn't say that Israel had imposed it's culture on Iran, that is the implication, which is incorrect. I apologise. What I should have said, is European culture, rather than Jewish European culture. The latter is specific to Palestine/Israel.

reply to post by maes9

Ok, so that's two people, on this thread, that will concede the possibility of Anti-Semitism existing in Iran.
Still no one will admit that it certainly does exist.

Iran is indeed a theocracy but that does not mean it can't be a dictatorship at the same time.
The "elected leaders" of Iran are controlled by the religious clerics.
I would assert, as well, that Iran is well on its way to becoming a military dictatorship.

otherwise people should come to streets to change him like other Dictators !

Apparently protesting In Iran is dicey, at best:
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And whatever you do...don't let them catch you:
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reply to post by Biliverdin


I get your point but think it's just semantics. Let's just call it what it is. Anti-Jew.
I'm not saying everyone in Iran feels this way but it does exist.
What would you expect when, as a condition of law, Jews are not treated as equals to Muslims?
Please refer to my previous post regarding discrimination against religious minorities in Iran

reply to post by tracehd1


I think it's a bit of a generalization to claim americans are just too selfish to try to understand. That doesn't describe the people I associate with. Maybe you should find a new group of friends.
I'm still waiting for evidence of all the resources we have stolen as a result of war.
Please provide this info so I can get a better handle on this

All over the world people are starting to stock up foods and supplies. Where you been? Just wake up or something?