How China Plans to Take Over the World

We all know China now has the second largest economy in the world. Its neighbors in Asia need China to secure them with loans, cheap products, and money. China uses its economic muscles to take advantage of this. It recently had a regional summit collapse because it did not like the language the final statement used condemning China. With China holding trillions of US debt, when does China's tactics start damaging America?


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reply to post by travis911


Don't mean to be rude but i don't get what your point is?

If it's that you are worried that Chinas economy will overtake Americas... well, quite frankly, so what?

Isn’t the American way all about competition and free market? So surely, if America really believes this, it should except that it will not always be the main player on the world stage. Unless, of course, its free market and free trade as long as America is top of the pile?!?

However, if your fear is regarding Chinas unsustainable approach to its aggressive "growth" and "progress" then it’s one that i share. Chinas drive to become an economic powerhouse will not help it take over the world, so much as take over a barren dust ball.

“progress” “Growth” “free market” meh! Greed and parasitic exploitation! If we don’t change the whole system very very soon it will soon be to late.

Peace

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by travis911

 

Don't mean to be rude but i don't get what your point is?

If it's that you are worried that Chinas economy will overtake Americas... well, quite frankly, so what?

Isn’t the American way all about competition and free market? So surely, if America really believes this, it should except that it will not always be the main player on the world stage. Unless, of course, its free market and free trade as long as America is top of the pile?!?

However, if your fear is regarding Chinas unsustainable approach to its aggressive "growth" and "progress" then it’s one that i share. Chinas drive to become an economic powerhouse will not help it take over the world, so much as take over a barren dust ball.

“progress” “Growth” “free market” meh! Greed and parasitic exploitation! If we don’t change the whole system very very soon it will soon be to late.

Peace

Its only fair if its on equal footing. Chinas currency is artificially manipulated. If they were playing fair then there would be no problems.

Originally posted by yuppa

Its only fair if its on equal footing. Chinas currency is artificially manipulated. If they were playing fair then there would be no problems.

Fair? Equal footing? Artificially manipulated currency?

No wonder the citizens of other Countries think U.S. citizens ("Americans" for this post) are nincompoops. It's because Americans are, on the whole, so fully ignorant of what is going on and then, to add insult to injury, they're arrogant about it. And, YES, I'm an American citizen. And I am mortally embarrassed right now. There's the overused "Too busy watching American Idol or Dancing with the Stars,' cliche but, in this instance, it could not be more appropriate because that is exactly what has been going on here - it's just been going on for over 50 years.

I don't want the citizens of other Countries to think I'm an idiot. I want them to know that at least a FEW Americans understand what is going on and we don't like it and we sympathize fully with them.

This is going to be a bare skimming, so it will be incumbent upon anyone uneducated on this subject to educate themselves starting with what little information I provide in this post. I'll try to explain this as best I can but please educate yourself/ves on it.

In 1971 Nixon dropped the gold standard for our dollar. What does that mean? It means our dollar is worth what our government says it's worth. In other words, our "dollar" is worth a "dollar' because you and I agree that it's worth a "dollar."

In 1973, the term "petrodollar" was adopted for use in how crude oil was purchased. Look that up really thoroughly.

Now, pull any denomination bill you might have on hand out and look at it. Study it hard. What does it say across the top? It says "Federal Reserve NOTE." In 1913, the Federal Reserve (a PRIVATE bank that no one is allowed to know who owns) got permission from Congress to print our money. Prior to that, only Congress had the right to "mint coin." Don't you just wish ol' Woodrow was here now?

Here is a 1902 $5 Bill - have a careful look at that. Compare it to what the bill you hold in your hand.

Now look at a 1934 $10 bill Silver Certificate.. Click on 'larger image' so you can get a good look at it. What does it say across the very bottom? "In Silver Payable To the Bearer On Demand." You could trade it for actual silver!

You know what? Just go read this page. Make SURE you notice this part:

"In the old days the govt would simply print up a red seal $100 United States Note for 4 cents and spend the money on something it wanted. Not anymore. Today, the Federal Reserve gets to produce the $100 Bill for 4 cents and then sells the $100 Federal Reserve Note to the US Government for $100 Face Amount."

Notice that? The Federal Reserve spends FOUR CENTS and SELLS it to our Government for FACE VALUE. It's not money. It's instant debt.

Americans wail about gas at $3 a gallon, scream at $4 a gallon and nearly had strokes when it looked like it might go to $5 a gallon. Well, here's how it works in other Countries and this is WHY all the damned wars over in the Middle East despite ANY other b/s reason spoon fed to the American people:

People all around the world (even Canada!) pay anywhere from $6 to $10 per gallon for the very same gas we buy. Why? Because FIRST their governments must keep "X" amount of OUR currency on hand. THEN they must convert their currency to OUR currency and use OUR currency to buy crude oil. Most of them lose heavily on the transaction; however, they must THEN convert it BACK to their currency when they sell it as fuel, losing more money in that conversion. How's that for fair?

What do you sign when you finance a car, a home, a boat or anything else that indicates your promise to pay the money back? You sign a NOTE. Connect any dots yet?

Every U.S. dollar bill floating anywhere in the world is NOT money. It is DEBT. Our bartering system is based on DEBT. There is NO money - it is ALL DEBT. You earn debt. You pay your debts with debt.

Our government forces other Countries to buy OUR DEBT in order to purchase crude oil. Why do you think Gaddafi was taken out? Because he was uniting the Countries of Africa under the gold Dinar - a gold backed currency AND he had said he would sell to other Countries in THEIR own currency rather than making them purchase our DEBT.

Fair, indeed.

Don't get me wrong; I love most aspects of what the U.S. was. I do NOT like how the U.S. came to be, but it became something great in the world. It WAS a fair system for just a little bit - mostly that period between the outlawing of slavery and the entry into global politics with WWI.

reply to post by SeesFar


Well said .

Don't get me wrong, i don't think that China is some innocent angel... but there tactics are no more morally bankrupt than those of the USA's.

Either way... both nations (and most other nations in the world) are destroying the very eco system the supports them while bickering over all this political nonsense.

Peace

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by SeesFar

 

Well said

.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think that China is some innocent angel... but there tactics are no more morally bankrupt than those of the USA's.

Either way... both nations (and most other nations in the world) are destroying the very eco system the supports them while bickering over all this political nonsense.

Peace

yeah. Well we all know the feds playing with currency,but not as bad as china i was saying,but believe what you will im not going to argue with you. Just stating my opinion if you do not like it move on.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by SeesFar

 

Well said

.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think that China is some innocent angel... but there tactics are no more morally bankrupt than those of the USA's.

Either way... both nations (and most other nations in the world) are destroying the very eco system the supports them while bickering over all this political nonsense.

Peace

Thank you. Neither do I think China innocent; however, I cannot see their maneuvers any more malignant than the maneuvers of the U.S. government.

Historically speaking, the U.S. government is following the exact same path that led to the destruction of all great civilizations. As it stands right now, we're one minor catastrophe from being in the identical position of the Weimar Republic of Germany. It cannot last; it will not last; and those who stand gaping when it crashes are the very ones who refuse to learn. Sad.

And, yes, I'm with you on the ecosystem. If all the Countries don't do something *REASONABLE* about that very soon, all the rest will all be a moot point, anyway. The Mother will cleanse herself, as she has done in the past, if we don't wake up and do it ourselves.

Really just wanted you and other non Americans to know that many of us really are aware and we fight it but no one listens. We vote, but nothing seems to come out right. You've probably heard of the 'silent majority;' that would be us except we're not silent; we're just ignored.

Originally posted by yuppa

yeah. Well we all know the feds playing with currency,but not as bad as china i was saying,but believe what you will im not going to argue with you. Just stating my opinion if you do not like it move on.

You spoke of currency manipulation, yet when I provide you with everything you needed to get a running start on the understanding of U.S. currency manipulation, you tell others to "move on" if they don't agree with your OPINION?

You're entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

Can you explain China's manipulation as well as I laid out the U.S. manipulation? That would be very helpful in understanding how you came to your opinion and how you believe China is worse in their attempts than the U.S. has been.

Thank you in advance.