911 Caller Outs NYPD Spying In NJ

911 Caller Outs NYPD Spying In NJ

news.yahoo.com

It's an audiotape the New York Police Department hoped you would never hear.

The caller, Salil Sheth, had stumbled upon one of the NYPD's biggest secrets: a safe house, a place where undercover officers working well outside the department's jurisdiction could lie low and coordinate surveillance. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond. Detectives infiltrated mosques, eavesdrop

(visit the link for the full news article)

So is the NYPD a federal agency now? Spying on people in different states

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the police department's right to go anywhere in the country in search of terrorists without telling local police

ANYWHERE in the country? Really?

The NYPD kept files on innocent sermons, recorded the names of political organizers in police documents and built databases of where Muslims lived and shopped, even where they were likely to gather to watch sports. Out-of-state operations, like the one in New Brunswick, were one aspect of this larger intelligence-gathering effort. The Associated Press previously described the discovery of the NYPD inside the New Jersey apartment, but police now have released the tape of the 911 call and other materials after a legal fight.

The call sent New Brunswick police and the FBI rushing to the apartment complex. Officers and agents were surprised at what they found. None had been told that the NYPD was in town.

If they will do it to Mulisms, they will do it to you. This is just ridiculous. I guess the NYPD thinks they're the police of the USA.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Fake.LOL really? I'm sorry but that video just screamed made up to me.No way the NYPD would be that dumb.

ETA : I didn't watch your youtube link. I read the article and watched the video there.

reply to post by RealSpoke


I'm normally against overly aggressive police forces, surveillance, and restrictive law-making, but I don't see the problem with a NY officer working in NJ.

I also don't see a problem with physical surveillance, as long as it is not wiretaps or computer hacking. If they are just watching from afar, I don't think they've violated any rights.

An investigative unit doesn't have to stay in their own jurisdiction for the investigation. If a crime occurs in Florida, but a witness or suspect is in California, the only thing limiting the crime-solvers from going to California is budget, not laws. Going from NY to NJ doesn't require much budget, so if they have a suspicion of a crime in NY, and evidence is in NJ, then they should pursue that lead.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

I'm normally against overly aggressive police forces, surveillance, and restrictive law-making, but I don't see the problem with a NY officer working in NJ.

I also don't see a problem with physical surveillance, as long as it is not wiretaps or computer hacking. If they are just watching from afar, I don't think they've violated any rights.

An investigative unit doesn't have to stay in their own jurisdiction for the investigation. If a crime occurs in Florida, but a witness or suspect is in California, the only thing limiting the crime-solvers from going to California is budget, not laws. Going from NY to NJ doesn't require much budget, so if they have a suspicion of a crime in NY, and evidence is in NJ, then they should pursue that lead.

but wait a sec...

if they weren't doing anything wrong, they had nothing to hide.
why all the sneakiness?
and efforts to cover it up?

The AP requested a copy of the 911 tape last year. Under pressure from the NYPD, the New Brunswick Police Department refused. After the AP sued, the city this week turned over the tape and emails that described the NYPD's efforts to keep the recording a secret.

The call sent New Brunswick police and the FBI rushing to the apartment complex. Officers and agents were surprised at what they found. None had been told that the NYPD was in town.

At the NYPD, the bungled operation was an embarrassment. It made the department look amateurish and forced it to ask the FBI to return the department's materials.

The emails highlight the sometimes convoluted arguments the NYPD has used to justify its out-of-state activities, which have been criticized by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and some members of Congress. The NYPD has infiltrated and photographed Muslim businesses and mosques in New Jersey, monitored the Internet postings of Muslim college students across the Northeast and traveled as far away as New Orleans to infiltrate and build files on liberal advocacy groups.

In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said.

In trying to keep the 911 tape under wraps, however, the NYPD made no mention of the fact that its officers were not acting as police. In fact, Lt. Cmdr. William McGroarty and Assistant Chief Thomas Galati argued that releasing the recording would jeopardize investigations and endanger the people and buildings.

Further, the apartment, No. 1076, was rented by an undercover NYPD officer using a fake name that he was still using, New Brunswick attorneys told the AP.

"Such identification will place the safety of any officers identified, as well as the undercover operatives with whom they work, at risk," Galati wrote in a letter to New Brunswick.

The city deleted that name from the copy of the tape that it released.

behind this is the same mentality that has adults
pretending to be high school students a la 21 jump street
with all the moral quagmires that involves

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Oh, I'm not saying they did nothing wrong. I'm just saying investigating outside of their jurisdiction is perfectly acceptable.

It is quite possible they had no legal reason to be investigating in the first place. Were they just targeting young Muslim males without any reasonable cause? If so, that is entirely wrong!! It's possible this could develop into a major public relations nightmare, and it might be deservedly so!

I am very relieved that the NYPD is watching various people that could cause trouble. Muslims included.

Oh BTW, just saying. >u

reply to post by nightstalker78


I had no idea we had an expert on the average intelligence quotient of the New York Police Department right here on ATS. So did you conduct these IQ tests yourself or do you just happen to know every police officer in the NYPD? If so what venue of higher education did you conduct these tests? Did you conduct any other tests?

How many of these officers have you attended a barbeque with and discussed how every officer within is a freaking scholar?

I would really like to know as details on this series of examinations would be quite relevant to bringing this thread to a conclusion.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

Oh, I'm not saying they did nothing wrong. I'm just saying investigating outside of their jurisdiction is perfectly acceptable.

that is correct investigations may require going out of state
but one has to inform the local authorities as one could be confused with a spy,or terrorist
as was the case here.

all i'm saying is their deceptive and sneaky behavior shows that this operation was not on the up and up

and NYPD has done this stuff before

from the yahoo article in the OP:

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the police department's right to go anywhere in the country in search of terrorists without telling local police. And New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa has said he's seen no evidence that the NYPD's efforts violated his state's laws.

Muslim groups, however, have sued to shut down the NYPD programs. Civil rights lawyers have asked a federal judge to decide whether the spying violates federal rules that were set up to prevent a repeat of NYPD abuses of the 1950s, when police Red Squads spied on student groups and activists in search of communists.

In the United States, Red Squads were police intelligence units that specialized in infiltrating, conducting counter-measures and gathering intelligence on political and social groups during the 20th century. Dating as far back as the Haymarket Riot in 1886, Red Squads became common in larger cities such as Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles during the First Red Scare of the 1920s. They were set up as specialized units of city police departments, as a weapon against labor unions, communists, anarchists, and other dissidents.

In New York, former City Police Commissioner Patrick Murphy traced their origin there to an "Italian Squad" formed in 1904 to monitor a group of Italian immigrants under suspicion.

en.wikipedia.org...

this is bloomberg using "his personal army] looking for dirt on anyone that could be
a threat to his Oh so obvious plans for the gentrification of NYC
in addition he may be trying to get in the news with a big bust,
[after all all today NYC, tomorrow the nation, and then the world]
hopefully the only way that will happen is if he's kidnapped and breast implanted,
then dumped where the fore-warned media is waiting to get the scoop


as a born inhabitant of Gotham/Babylon-on-the hudson

i'm hoping he slips up and winds up in jail, or lynched if his billions prevent the former




oh and in reply to DaMod re the IQ thing:
reply to post by DaMod

it is a matter of public record that police candidates
are selected from the lower tiers of the IQ ladder

no need to spend the afternoon at a barbeque with folks of low intelligence required

there are various threads here
i'm sure that even the search button should reveal a couple

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has defended the police department's right to go anywhere in the country in search of terrorists without telling local police.

If they want to go after terrorists outside of NYC, maybe they should start with Washington, DC.

reply to post by VictorVonDoom


Glad that you made discussion more relevant...

So, why do we have feds if local police department will work on counter terrorists monitoring??

What else they might be monitoring the same way, and under whose authority? Who will monitor them?

Again, it seems that they have more then enough resources to support spying operations...

reply to post by RealSpoke


i predict this topic will cause an outbreak of hypocrisy [ a cookie if you figure out why ]