What are Kerry's achievements?

Originally posted by RANT

There's no masquerade. In fact it's a perfect rebuttal to your attempt to call Kerry's vote sympathtic to a rapist's morality. Talk about logic falling apart?

You're twisting and spinning. You are the one who suggested that *everyone's* morality should be respected. Not Kerry, not me. Just you, RANT.

Then you create another house of cards, with first this:

And the teen doesn't have to report the rape if she doesn't want to either.

Followed by this...

It was the right vote supporting privacy and individual's rights, citing mature teens of 16 or 17 as soverign in matters of their own body. It was NOT supporting Rapist's morality AS YOU CLAIMED.

Not very mature if they won't report a rape, are they RANT? This is the reason there are laws designed to protect minors.

But of course, feel free to try to sell this argument to teenagers wherever you meet them. Shows solidarity with their cause, right?

Dance the night away, RANT. YOU are the one who suggested that the rapists' morality needs to be considered. Not me, not Kerry.

You tried to stick up for your boy and ended up stepping in doggy-doo because you said that the rapist should have his morality respected, Dumb move, RANT.

I challenge you RANT, to show me and the rest of this forum WHERE I made any such insinuation. YOU are the one throwing cheap shots around.

You asked if Kerry was respecting rapist's morality in the very post I cited. And you actually are allowed to make such a "#ty" insinuation about a candidate, just as I'm allowed to call you on it which I did by showing the resulting application of said logic to Cheney's votes. Here's your post again:

Originally posted by jsobecky
So, whose morality was he "respecting" when he voted against parental notification of abortion? The rapist?

:shk:

Once again, out of the three of us, you, I, and Kerry, YOU are the one who suggested that the rapists' morality needs to be respected.

No member of ATS is allowed to make such a #ty insinuation. You are not exempted just because you happen to be a moderator.

Please. :shk: No I'm exempt from nothing as a Moderator, but I do get the extra special added bonus of tongue clucking like yours. Thanks for that.

Always enjoyable.

And no-one is prohibited or exempt from painting themself into a corner as you have done, RANT. It's just doubly delicious when it's done by a mod.

Next time, do yourself a favor and let the candidate explain what he really means.

Dr_strange

How dare you inject the truth into a perfectly factual rant about the presidents record�..it doesn�t matter what the facts are, enlightened people all over the world just know that despite the facts; bush is a failed business man�..California is just a cover story for the real bankruptcy down in Texas and although the Clinton administration profited mightily from Enron and gave them some deep concessions; that it was really bush projecting his might into the Clinton administration. So don�t you go around looking for facts you killjoy you.

ps i even saw some mope claim that he rode the rangers into the ground.... must be a cricket fan.

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[edit on 10-10-2004 by keholmes]

I love how most of the liberals can't even go through a simple post without throwing in some Bush insults as well. Even if it doesn't even fit in with the topic...


"Hey, I want some taco's"
"At least those taco's aren't stupid.....LIKE BUSH!!!! HAAHAAHAHHA"


#ing Irritating.

Horribly spinning and failing miserably, severely uninformed, or lying.

I really don't care which.

I'll respond to the few points I can decipher from your latest train wreck of an emotional collapse as succinctly as possible.

Kerry showed enormous respect for differing opinions in the debate as he has in his Senate votes. Point blank acknowledging that to one questioner about Stem Cells and again later in his oration about how to select SCOTUS appointments based on the Constitution protecting everyone.

Read it and get back to me if you'd like to continue insisting I invented Kerry having respect for every postion and not Kerry. Though I'd certainly have the right to the opinion even if Kerry hadn't been so adamant about it in the debate. And I'd assume a thread challenge to post why you like Kerry would be the appropriate place to post such things, though you obviously disagree.

You'll also find neither he nor I included Rapists as part of "everyone" that needs to be considered. You brought that up in your first smartass sham argument that brought up rape and parental notifcation in the first place. You did. You did. You did.

Maybe you can show me where I did as you claim from my post about the PBA vote? No rape. Not even parental notifiction. That was YOU pinning rapist morality on Kerry based on another vote (which still makes no sense frankly).

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by RANT


You don't have to agree with the hot button issues Bush pulls out of a 20 year career, like voting against the PBA ban. But I do! Kerry stated the case perfectly last night expressing his morality on the issue, but understanding and respect of everyone's morality and grasp of the role of legislation.

A vote to not kill mothers, is not a vote for PBA's. Kerry had the guts in that one vote example to take a stand. An enormously unpopular stand forced by rigged neocon legislation to try and move closer to placing the life of a fetus above that of the women...and he voted no politcal fallout notwithstanding.

He stood by it. He defended it.

So, whose morality was he "respecting" when he voted against parental notification of abortion? The rapist?

:shk:

Why would you even say that? Because "everyone" includes rapists? Don't be obtuse. We're grown ups and aspiring grown ups. Follow along with the reasonable assumptions grown ups make when talking about imporant things please.

But since you moved the "debate" to parental notification avoiding my PBA comments and continue to weave your deciet in doing so with an obvious personal tact in your vendetta that has NOTHING to do with the argument itself, I'll add a final response to your latest charges about "house of cards" arguments...

The right to privacy in matters of healthcare including abortion is not a house of cards. And only an authoritarian would think so.

And finally, if it's not obvious as of yet I'm the only one maintaining a shred of dignity here by sticking to the debate and facts while you swing away at air, I'll just leave your last dud hanging for all to see. Undignified by me.

Originally posted by jsobecky

And no-one is prohibited or exempt from painting themself into a corner as you have done, RANT. It's just doubly delicious when it's done by a mod.

Next time, do yourself a favor and let the candidate explain what he really means.

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Originally posted by keholmes
Jemison,

your working way to hard to not buy the demo spin here you need to open your mind......so far open that you can't agree with yourself evidentially. Bush is a failed business man and Kerry has been elected several times that should speak volumes

I'm a little confused, or maybe it's just because it's really late and I'm really tired. But I thought you were a Bush supporter.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kerry's biggest achievements.

1.) He blew open the BCCI scandal.

2.) He blew open the Iran-Contra scandal.

The man spent his Senate time as an investigator, a seeker for the truth, which is EXACTLY what the US needs right now. Not an obfuscator.

-koji K.

herman,

supporter is a pretty harsh term...i wouldn't go that far. but, the post you noted must have been an obviously too dry and pathetic attempt at sarcasm. either that or i was taking a spin at becoming a staunch lefty....do you think i appropriately avoided fact, reason and previous positions? maybe that being on the left is not so bad. hmmm, make it up as i go.

[edit on 10-10-2004 by keholmes]

Originally posted by Jemison


I just looked at Project Vote Smart and I dont see anything that says it's a partisan site. Would you please tell me what you know?

Sorry I havent addressed this yet. I got so sick of all the bickering amongst people that I quit reading ALL the threads. Anyway, I dont have any links for proof because now they give 404's. So youll just have to take my word for it. VoteSmart.org is funded by the Liberal Coilition. At least thier servers are. I know that I might have made it sound like it was a pro republican site, and if thats how it came off, I apologize. I just didnt want anyone providing links to prove a point when the sights being linked to are influenced one way or the other by party affiliation.

Originally posted by Mynaeris

So since you are apparently for Bush.....this is a beat about the Kerry post!?

I'd love to stay and watch the same old drivel all over again from both sides, but I gotta get to work

Actually I am not FOR Bush, just totally bored with the Bushbashing.

Well then...your where I am....I am sick of ALL it, it's childish and sad. Though why tired of all the Bush bashing and not all the Kerry bashing?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

RANT

Hey, chill out. So you respect the morality of rapists. That's your right. There are much worse things you could advocate - I think?

Originally posted by keholmes
herman,

supporter is a pretty harsh term...i wouldn't go that far. but, the post you noted must have been an obviously too dry and pathetic attempt at sarcasm.

either that or i was taking a spin at becoming a staunch lefty....do you think i appropriately avoided fact, reason and previous positions?

maybe that being on the left is not so bad. hmmm, make it up as i go.

[edit on 10-10-2004 by keholmes]

No man, it's ok . I was reallllly tired and just got home from work. I probably just read it weird.