Is The S-37 Fighter Up There With The F-22 ?!?!

Originally posted by Fenix F 308
I think I was not impres after that I see on the PacFa ..

Are you saying that the Pak-fa will have better avionics then the Raptor?

Surely you are kidding. Russias avionics are WELL KNOWN to be behind that of the US.

i could see them comparison of saying that a Ace in a F-4 would beat a rookie in an F-14, but the F-4 would have to have better radar to compete with the F-22 weapons and guidance system,

i have no idea what the radar range is on the F-4 or the F-22 but im sure the F-22 radar is far superior, so if the F-4s radar can reach say 40 miles and the F-22 can reach 80 miles the pilotis going to get very frustrated dodging missiles and trying to get close enough to locate the F-22

Yes the Aviounics of the T-50 will be much beter and that is what will lead us to win the air war in WW3, and by the way as long as Su-27 can engage 5 aircraft at the same time a squadren of F-15 is capable of being engaged and shot down by a squad of Su-27's scince F-15 fky in squads of 5, and Su-27's also fly in squads of 5.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Yes the Aviounics of the T-50 will be much beter and that is what will lead us to win the air war in WW3, and by the way as long as Su-27 can engage 5 aircraft at the same time a squadren of F-15 is capable of being engaged and shot down by a squad of Su-27's scince F-15 fky in squads of 5, and Su-27's also fly in squads of 5.

ok so what wwe will do is Fly up 6 F-14 tomcats With the AWG 9 radar system that can track targets up to 194 miles away and Can track and engage up to Six targets at a time with the aim 54 pheonix missile so 6 tomcats x 6 six missile = 30 SU-27 being shot down or to busy to be able to pay attention to the F-22s and B-2 that are flying in to wreac havoc,

US i believe has 12 aircraft carriers"i dont know how many russia has but last i heard they only had 5 or 6 active carriers" each carrying about 80+ aircraft
and i recently read somewhere that the US has yet 490 some F-14 in service and probably twice that in the Fumber of F-18 so when those get done with there target practice then its time for the worlds #1 airforce to role in with F-15 F-16 -F117 -B1B- F22 -B2 and cant forget the A-10 all well known for Kickin serious ass, the F-22 was first designed about 20-25 yrs ago so F-22 technology is not out dated but my point is that was 25 yrs ago just think what they might have now.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Yes the Aviounics of the T-50 will be much beter and that is what will lead us to win the air war in WW3, and by the way as long as Su-27 can engage 5 aircraft at the same time a squadren of F-15 is capable of being engaged and shot down by a squad of Su-27's scince F-15 fky in squads of 5, and Su-27's also fly in squads of 5.

Ahh yes, see how many T-50's you can make. For every one you make, the US can make 10 Raptors, which is a superior aircraft.

The T-50 avionics will NOT match the F/A-22. Russia is too far behind. THey are behind Europe, which is in turn behind the USA.

Sorry, Russia has AMAZING aircraft engineers, unfortunatly they have neither the money nor the computer power to compete with the US.

They will be behind the US as they have been for decades.

The news here said that the F-22 might be flown in next year's Australian Aircraft Show?

I'am a bit skeptical. Would the U.S fly the F-22 at shows this soon?

I think we should considers two aspects of the question of the opposition between Su-37 and F-22.

The technical aspects have been long debated in this thread. I'm not familiar enough with these aspects to agree or deny the arguments presented here.

Though, I think the difference between those two aircrafts mainly resides in the way they're used. The doctrinal use of the F-22 as an air dominance fighter (ADF) is linked with the use of E-3 Sentries. While the stealthy of the F-22 protects it against enemy missiles, the sentry gives the enemy aircrafts position. It means that the F-22 doesn't have to use its radar to fire its missiles. This gives a real advantage to the Lightning II, don't you think? If any of the specialist of the russian air force can explain if the Russia have a similar use of AWACS. ( Beriev A-50 Mainstay, in NATO codes, think...)

IMO, you can't really comparate those two fighters, because their doctrine of employment is totally different.

Anyhow, both are remarkable technical performances!

(sorry for the language, )

Russia has been behind in some aspects and NOT in others just as U.S. was and IS behind us in some aspects, like AAmissiles and Radar on SAM's, but I asure you we have caught up and surpassed U.S. in those fields we were not as advanced back in the 80's, watch you'll see when the T-50 comes out in 07 and when WW3 starts.

So there you have it - WW3 will start in 2007, when the Russians have the T-50 sorted!

As has been said by a US official the US has no counter for the latest of russian designs but the us will still win thanks the money that have.

The F/A-22 is already being built and delivered for service, I hate to break it to you but until Russia has something more than words of mouth and drawings on paper they should not talk. All you guys can say is when we this and when we that while we prep our planes for service. The F/A-22 as of now is unmatched in the skies, and it was being designed back in the 80's we have better tech now that is too secret to be made public.

I belive that F/A 22 would win because of its superior electrics. I am not saying that SU-47 is a bad plane, it's just that it's electrics couldnt EVER match F/A 22. And, yeah, it's SU-47 or S-37 and not SU-37 (it's a completely deifferent aircraft). SU-47 vs. F/A 22.... it would be the best dogfight there ever was...

Also the quality of the pilot in the plane would be important too. I think that U.S. pilots are better trained then their Russian counterparts.

U.S. pilots are not better trained and a look into history shows Russia never says anything about an airplane it is developing until it has been developed and Russia has said manytimes that 5th gen plane is comming in 2007 and Russia diliberatly throws U.S. and others off by saying oh no it will come in 2010 this is called disinfo here have a look for your self english.pravda.ru...

Seberian tiger you are a bit to ermmm nationalistic. Nowhere it says that it will enter service or something like that in 2007. Russia designs good planes that sure is the case but as its looking now the F22 is better. Eventually there will be a russian plane which is better ofcourse unless russia breaks apart.

You russian guys crack me the # up

How in the flying # do you know that they will be better?

Are you the designer?

Were you the designer of the Raptor?

Have you flown either of them?

Are you a fighter pilot?

Are you even a pilot?

Give me a break. You are SPECULATING that russia MIGHT have a plane that contends with the Raptor.

The US has the Raptor now, and it is the best plane in the world.

Simply put, Russia is behind. It won't come out with a better plane because it can't afford it.

Let's watch the tone guys.

So they are going to base it off of the Su-47?

The Berkut doesn't stand a chance in hell against the Raptor.

Sorry guys, but it just doesn't.

So you think but you cant be sure. We do not know allot about these planes if we did then there would be something wrong with the security of those countries.

Originally posted by tomcat ha
So you think but you cant be sure. We do not know allot about these planes if we did then there would be something wrong with the security of those countries.

I CAN be sure. Just look at the damn thing.

If you know anything about stealth atributes you can quickly say "gee, the Berkut has some stealth features, but clearly isn't a "stealth" plane."

You can then look at the Raptor and say "Gee, that Raptor sure is a very stealthy plane".

The agility will probably be comprable in both planes.

The avionics are going to be better in the Raptor. Russia simply does not have the money or resources to put 2 supercomputers in each aircraft.

This is a complete joke.

Could Russia build as good or a better plane if given the same resources?

Absolutely! I have no doubt in my mind.

Unfortunatly for them, all countries are not created equal, and the US has a lot more to work with.