Is The S-37 Fighter Up There With The F-22 ?!?!

Harriers are cool aircraft though, I heard that they actually accelerate just as fast as an F-16, they just can't go supersonic.

But yeah they are going out the door.

Being a Harrier pilot must be hella fun though; you're flying an aircraft with only one engine that has a reputation for sometimes breaking down in midair, you have to fly lower to the ground (I believe) to do the strikes and support Marines, and also since the aircraft has four exhaust outlets for the engine underneath it, through infrared lenses, it looks like a big red blotch flying through the air, making it a perfect target for heat-seeking missiles; plus the fact that the plane takes skill to fly and land correctly too (if you try to take off in the Harrier vertically and don't point it right in relation to the wind, you will just go upside-down and crash)

Soivets were testing FSWings back in 1950's there are pics of them too, so it's U.S.A. thats 25-30 years behind.

Broadsword,I'll just go with the 'hog if thats ok with you. It is just as manoverable while flying at mach 0.5,while having thicker armor and being able to go up to mach 0.9.

The 'Hog' becomes even more potent in this next year with the upgrades...

[edit on 28-12-2004 by Cowboy]

Originally posted by ChrisRT
Awesome...

Don�t count on the AV-8B as it is just about out the door like the F-14.

I'm not calling the F-35 weak by any means. Its engine is a supped up F/A-22 F-119 in the 40k lbs thrust class.
I'm just saying that it consumes fuel in hovermode like nothing else.

And yes, I love the sleek, vicious look of the F/A-18E-G also.

Well considering that many countries like Turkey and Iran still use the F-4, I take it that the Harrier will still be around for some time.

Also the F-35 enginge is really different in that it usses cheaper materials in the engine siince it doesnt go as fast as the F/a-22 and will be aimed for a cheaper price range.

The Super Hornet is great, but give me back my Tomcats darn it!

I reckon that the Harrier still has ten years service in front of it even with the USMC and RAF, other operators will be keeping them even longer.

Hey I think you guys got the impression I was knocking on the Harrier in the sense of trying to call it a crappy plane; I wasn't, i was just joking around about piloting one. The thing about the Harriers in the Marine Corps right now are that they have been experiencing more problems than usual, probably because their age is showing. But yeah, they are a very cool plane.

Originally posted by ChrisRT
The 'Hog' becomes even more potent in this next year with the upgrades...

Lol,they were featured in CNC Generals,A game set 20 years later,and will probably be just as good in real life.And yes,I do like CNC Generals a lot

Originally posted by W4rl0rD

Originally posted by ChrisRT
The 'Hog' becomes even more potent in this next year with the upgrades...

Lol,they were featured in CNC Generals,A game set 20 years later,and will probably be just as good in real life.And yes,I do like CNC Generals a lot

I have to check that game out... Is it worth the $20?

Hey I think you guys got the impression I was knocking on the Harrier in the sense of trying to call it a crappy plane; I wasn't, i was just joking around about piloting one. The thing about the Harriers in the Marine Corps right now are that they have been experiencing more problems than usual, probably because their age is showing. But yeah, they are a very cool plane.

Oh hey, I thought you where just going into pilots training school with you�re heart set on flying the Harrier... I just wanted to let you know that as soon as the F/A-35 is here the AV-8B is outa here... Probably sold as scrap(what a way to end the life of such a great machine) or sold on the international market.

The Harrier is just too old,its a cool machine,but the JSF will be better than it in all aspects. I think the JSF will take over the Harrier as soon as it comes out. The JSF is still more expensive though. And yes,CNC Generals is worth 20 bucks.Just get the expansion set with it too.

I agree that the F-35 is better all round and that once it is in service that Harrier will be history, thats why I give it ten years in US and UK service, the F-35 isn't just around the corner you know.

However Warlord, when you say it is too old, what do you mean? The Harriers in service today were produced in the late 80's and 1990's. If a chart was made with all the worlds operational combat aircraft arranged by age the Harrier would be right up at the newer end, in fact second only to the Typhoon in the UK and ahead of many US and most Russian types, I think that, operationally, only the Super Hornet and Raptor are newer in the US.

You make a very interesting remark when you say the days of dogfighting are ending, it's all about best longest range radar and longest range missiles.

Exactly why the F22 would be vulnerable for very long range russian missiles guided by the chinese awacs for instance (granted they have to make progress in the phased array department, wich no doubt they will)

The F22 is emperor as long as nobody can see it. The days of the emperor could be numbered however, as for the russian plane, it has very impressive flying properties, but it already faces the problem I mentioned above, dogfighters getting "outradarred", in this case by the americans, I like the first picture of the Green painted plane, it obviously is meant as camouflage to take of from conceiled dirt strips in the Russian prairy. I think the Russians have realised that they could better spend their money on radar/missiles than on dogfighters.

Maybe the future is in slow sluggish boeings with superior radarsight and a truckload of very long range missiles, a laser and room for a fhalanx system to spare, kind of a flying battleship.




[edit on 29-12-2004 by Countermeasures]

reuters.com...;jsessionid=QATVOFN0ZVTB0CRBAELCFEY?type=domesticNews&storyID=7201567

Read that, F-22 Raptor is having costs cut.

Originally posted by Kenshin

reuters.com...;jsessionid=QATVOFN0ZVTB0CRBAELCFEY?type=domesticNews&storyID=7201567

Read that, F-22 Raptor is having costs cut.

Don't get your hopes up, the US will see 300+ Raptors in about 9 or 10 years.

Besides, you're beating a dead horse, their is already a topic on this.

[edit on 31-12-2004 by Hockeyguy567]

I've said all along, its not the plane its the pilot.


I still thing an expierenced F-4 crew from back in the day could whip anythig flying today, be it F/A-22 or Su-37.

I don't know if it is not or is but what I do know is the Aviounics are pretty much 4.8 Generation www.rc.overtop.ru...

An F-106 pilot once said (after dowing 2 F-15s in an exercise) all this great technology in fighter jets nowadays is like fighting a knife fight in a phone both with a spear. The spear is nice, but I want the knife.

Pilots now are becoming more 'computer engineer' and less 'fighter jock'. I think the Russians are making the same mistake as the Americans in beccoming FAR too reliant on computers, technology, and widgets and gadgets. One of the biggest problems pilots have now is looking at the radar screen as opossed to looking out the canopy.

An old 'stick and rudder' pilot from back in the day, could whip anybody in anything flying today. period.

Actually we're not we are NOW using 200% Realiablity in our Tech(we've been doing this for over 20 years actually) we put 100% trust in DOGfighting tactics and 100% trust in Aviounical Tech.

Originally posted by KyleChemist
An F-106 pilot once said (after dowing 2 F-15s in an exercise) all this great technology in fighter jets nowadays is like fighting a knife fight in a phone both with a spear. The spear is nice, but I want the knife.

Pilots now are becoming more 'computer engineer' and less 'fighter jock'. I think the Russians are making the same mistake as the Americans in beccoming FAR too reliant on computers, technology, and widgets and gadgets. One of the biggest problems pilots have now is looking at the radar screen as opossed to looking out the canopy.

An old 'stick and rudder' pilot from back in the day, could whip anybody in anything flying today. period.

The computer controlled hydraulics manipulation of the rudders/flaps etc. etc. make it possible for the aircraft to be unbelievably agile and "flexible" in the sky..
The future designs which are tail-less( all tail less aircraft are inherently unstable) will use other hydraulic flap like devices (forget their names) to enable super maueverability..
Also the assymetric nozzles of the Su-30 series are computer controlled...

IMO any decent pilot of today with good dog fighting skills will be more than a match for a pilot of "yesteryear" as you were mentioning...and that to iin a pure gunfight..