Is The S-37 Fighter Up There With The F-22 ?!?!

just a pilot, i hope u are not saying that we lost because of u guys, because if u are, jeeze, i already flamed at this against............it was u, it was u i was flaming at because u said that america beat the ussr

You Amerikkkanas maybe able to intimidate westernised Russians but not me CORRECTION! U.S.A. won the Cold War "ECONOMICALL" not I repeat not Militaraly, and don't even bring up that star wars program crap it was all fake now in 2004 it maybe possible but not in the 80's

Well for such a 'fake' program it sure scared the hell out of the USSR. Go ahead and yell Dima and Tiger. It just helps make my point. Frustraited eh? Won through economics because the soviets could no longer pay for the military build up.

Stomp your feet harder and go to your room. Never did I say that the SU or Mig were not great aircrcaft.

Guns to guns it takes the same plane to decide the pilot. The F22 wont get that close because the foe will be dead before visual range.

[edit on 12/6/2004 by just_a_pilot]

Please provide chronilogical PROOF of Russia's intimidation? I want links NOW and not Amerikanna technicall talk?????????

Why, the U.S.S.R. believed it. Thats all that matters. If you can't pay to see my bluff then fold your cards. Oh, brush your teeth while you are at it.

I have not put either the Mig, SU, you or Dima down. Just stated that the U.S. won the cold war. If Mother Moldova or the U.S.S.R. was such a great place, why not let people leave and kill those that did?



[edit on 12/6/2004 by just_a_pilot]

Wrong Guy I just made you blink by prooving without a doubt that you can't give ANY proofs but "Technical AMMERIKKKANNA Gaurgine" it always works on westernised Russians but not reall Russki's that KNOW MILITARY Developments AND political truths from lies, you Amerikkkans believe some of the most "FANTASTIC LIES" your Gov put on you scince the beliefe that the U.F.O.'s are not Gov operations designed to make the public believe there is E.T.'s so that the Illuminate can push the world Governments to inducing a OneWorld Government, hahahahahaah TOOTALLUU until next timelol:

[edit on 6-12-2004 by SiberianTiger]

Ahhhhh to be a kid again.. If I only knew then what......

Um, im jsut coming in to point out that the US beleived alot of stupid stuff too here, not only Russians beleived lies...

Russia's undetectable highly advanced interlinked anti-air system anyone?YOu could have got a flying oil tanker through the gaps in it!

Oh, and who has the best fighter IN SERVICE NOW? Russia. Exactally. F-22 won't be for a while yet eh? S-37 is nowhere near a finished production design, but if they went head-to-head when both finished, it would be a good battle. If the S-37 dodged the BVR missiles, S-37 would win hands down. BVR missiles though, can be fairly well evaded. It would be a battle to behold this one.

i'm not really sure where this is going but, u're statement that the aircraft will be dead before it even sees the F-22 is incrediblyun......i don't know, just stupid that is the dumbest thing that u can say because just because it is based aorund stealth technology, u immedtiately think that "oh the aircraft cannot be detected by radar, so we'll kill u before u see us" well this is not the case, the F-22 is a good plane, but for the $150-250 million requried, just too expenisve, i'd rather have 4-5 Su-37's, really

No Dima. Not just because of stealth.

Before you and Tiger go off half cocked about how Americans hate Russia, please know this.

My Aunt, Mary Dudley is President of Diemas Dream, an Orphanage in Moscow for disabled children. Yes my Uncle Robert is CEO of BP Russia. I have nothining against Russia. I do know what aircraft ability is though. That is a fact.

Ooooh, price is a good one. So for the cash you could get more Sukhoi's... So its a case of who has the biggest cash reserve... And the US ain't looking to good on that front lately, with wars and bad managment. Come on, fix your own country before someone elses!

So yeah, cash is a big factor here. Is the F22 really worth it? Or is it a big cash cow? Personally, I think a few F22's with back-up from alot of the current tech is going to be the likely situation for a while.

I personally in a fight would take a Sukhoi... Better ejector seats, as I know little about A2A combat, only games.

If I was fully trained, I would probably still take it, but thats becasue I like Russian tech. It'll be impossible to tell which plane is best until they are both finished, the US will proclaim it is better, Russia will proclaim it is better, and the majority of other coutries buying will go for the Russian tech becasue its cheaper.

In an A2A fight though, the better pilot will win, meaning the US will always be on top, as it picks fights with rubbish countries. The real proof will be in the simulation front, or even a training exercise like they did with Germany, F/A18 -vs- MiG-29 (I love how the MiG came out on top:lol Or some such. I shall Keep an eye on this one in future.

no, no u don't now one really knows any thing about thebF-22, we have its general explanation, but no one really knows how stealthy it is, those tests against the F-15's and F-16's are easily bs, everyone can tell, we don't know the exact features and performance specs of the aircraft, this is what is confusing me about why these...........americans are saying, oh, u'll never see it coming, wtf is thta, off course u'll see it coming, it'll be small, but u'll see it coming, jus switch to a different frequency

Yes, thats true, any reasonably advanced nation can now pick up stealthed aricraft. What this true advantage is is missiles have a harder time locknig onto the planes siginal, this is hte F22's real gimmick if you will, as it leaves very little for the missiles to track, look at the engines exit on the back, this is designed to minimise the heat siginal. Russian Ground Radar back in the cold war could pick up the Blackbird, its jsut they could shoot it down as it was so damned fast and stealthy!

Originally posted by Dima
engineer, stick to aircraft, because u don't know what u're talknig about, the S-400 is a SAM system, not an ABM system...

What, do you think missiles travel underground????

I said the only EFFECTIVE ABM system is the S-400, and that's because it is the only Russian system designed from the ground up to have the ability for TBM defence.

Your link was only a test of the 53T6 short-range interceptor. A single test does not mean it is a proven system.

Jane's Defence Weekly
The technology of the missiles is of a very high level. For example, new details of the S-400 Trieumf SAM reveal that it is capable of intercepting various target types including "stealth" targets, cruise missiles and short-to-medium range ballistic missiles, all at a range of up to 400km. They will be mass produced and are compatible with the defence needs of many countries in Asia and the Middle East.

www.janes.com...

And this:

The Russian side has no doubt that "NATO members will not start
purchasing Russian ABM systems on a large scale, like the modernized
S-300PMU or the new S-400, which can effectively combat ballistic
missiles.

www.fas.org...

Here's a little information on your beloved A-135 system:

Yet many in the U.S. and elsewhere have pointed out that, while System A-135 might be effective against a single warhead attack, the system�s radar and interceptors would be quickly overwhelmed in the event of a multi-warhead strike. According to the Pentagon: �With only 100 interceptor missiles, the system can be saturated, and with only the single Pillbox radar at Pushkino providing support to these missiles, the system is highly vulnerable to suppression.� Others have claimed that the Gorgons and Gazelles would have a difficult time distinguishing between warheads and other objects, a factor that severely limits the effectiveness of the system in the present age of sophisticated decoys and countermeasures.

In 2002, Anatoliy Sokolov, former commander of Russia�s missile and space defense army, confirmed U.S. suspicions that System A-135 had become obsolete: �It makes no sense to maintain a dying system, as the existing antimissile defense is unable to provide efficient protection of the area, let alone the entire country.� Sokolov also emphasized that Russia should concentrate its efforts on modern anti-missile technology. At present, however, there is no evidence that Russia plans to replace or eliminate its System A-135 Moscow defenses.

www.missilethreat.com...

Note that the single "pillbox" radar site is NOT a bistatic system!!

[edit on 6-12-2004 by engineer]

Originally posted by Teh_Gerbil
...even a training exercise like they did with Germany, F/A18 -vs- MiG-29 (I love how the MiG came out on top:lol

Or some such. I shall Keep an eye on this one in future.

That was not really true, gerbil. The excersizes with West Germany were very highly scripted, and were designed to train the pilots, not to assess superiority. If you want to assess real world superiority, simply look at all the Mig-29's that have been shot down by US planes.

As far as your theory that a SU-47 is going to dodge a missile, where did you ever get that idea? How is an AC going to evade a missile that's going mach4 and can pull 20+ G's? The pilot has only two hopes, either decoy or eject.

By the way, there are 2 squadrons of F-22's in service, one at Nellis and one at Tyndall. One squadron is used for developing tactics, and one is for training pilots and maintainers. They are fully combat capable.

[edit on 6-12-2004 by engineer]

yo, the S-400 IS NOT AN ABM SYSTEM, where the frigg did u get that info from, seriously, it is a SAM system, like the S-300PMU, here's a site that deals with missiles and missile tests, note that it provides links for the A-135 system which utllizes the SH-08/ABM-3 Gazelle, and the Sh-11/ABM-4 Gorgon

it says right there, everyone knows that the S-400 is not an ABM system, but it can be used as one because the officials stated that it is capable of shotting down ICBM's, but it is not officially an ABM system

Maxim Sokolov said that in 2002, this is new information, it proves that it is still capable of intercepting missiles, and i heard that they are going to upgrade the missiles soon, because these missiles have been there for a long time

firstly, look at how many planes hte MiG-29 has shot down, www.aeronautics.ru...

look at all the hyperlinks, oh and it isn't that hard to evade a misile, what site dais that it can go through 20 G's just curious never heard that many, but an average plane has about 10-12 flares/chaffs and it takes maybe 3 or 4 to take a missile away, as long as u're not in afterburner while u're doing that and the missile is an IR missile, than u're in some pretty deep #

oh sry forgot to give u the site, well the site for the missile testing and everything is www.missilethreat.com

Chaff does not come in ones or twos Dima. I would rather have a mad Russian on my six other than a aam from any country. Chaff or not.

Check six Dima.