Is The S-37 Fighter Up There With The F-22 ?!?!

Originally posted by khruschev
Russia will have new fighters which will be able to counter and outperform the US fighters such as F/A-22 and F-35 by 2012-2013.
MiG 1.44 will be ready for sale to Russian Air Force by 2008. Su-47 will be offered to other countries. Sukhoi PAK-FA will be ready by 2010 for sale. AYAKS is approaching too.

And F/A-22 isn't such a good fighter it is told to be. It's like saying that MiG-19 can go Mach 7

Have you actually looked at any evidence we have posted? If you did you would see that the F/A-22 comes out on top. I donlt believe we have enough information on the Russian fighters anyways. PAK-FA has not been produced yet and there is only one or two Mig 1.44 and it seems that in Russia today the government is starting to lean away from Migs and heading over to the Su party.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by American Mad Man


What are you trying to imply? That he'd shoot himslef with a missle? Stop trying to take cheap shots at the US man. Theres no reason to.

I was jokeing. sorry for that BTW it was a pretty low cheap shot.

on me
i have figure out one sitution wich would cause the f22 to get into a dog fight: EVERY missile gets a fault.

[edit on 4-12-2004 by devilwasp]

Actually, it's no big deal.

I have been up for about 30 hours working on a thesis, so i am a bit cranky

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Actually, it's no big deal.

I have been up for about 30 hours working on a thesis, so i am a bit cranky

na man it was cheap.

what thesis?

30 hours? man you must of drunk a HELL of alot of coffe.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Actually, it's no big deal.

I have been up for about 30 hours working on a thesis, so i am a bit cranky

na man it was cheap.

what thesis?

30 hours? man you must of drunk a HELL of alot of coffe.

My thesis for graduate school. Yes - lots of coffee. I had the great fortune of deleting like 20 hours worth of work, so I got to make it up on a friday night b/c it is do in a week, and I am swamped with work.

Originally posted by khruschev
Russia will have new fighters which will be able to counter and outperform the US fighters such as F/A-22 and F-35 by 2012-2013.
MiG 1.44 will be ready for sale to Russian Air Force by 2008. Su-47 will be offered to other countries. Sukhoi PAK-FA will be ready by 2010 for sale. AYAKS is approaching too.

And F/A-22 isn't such a good fighter it is told to be. It's like saying that MiG-19 can go Mach 7

Sell to who? I don't believe the Su-47 exist nor the PAK-FA or the Mig-1.44. So how can they begin to sell aircraft in the next few years to countries if they don't even have the aircraft themselves? It's like saying the US will begin selling the F-35 in a few years or the F-22 (which I believe hasnot been designated for service yet).

Out perform the F-35, it is does not exist.

Originally posted by Frosty


Sell to who? I don't believe the Su-47 exist nor the PAK-FA or the Mig-1.44. So how can they begin to sell aircraft in the next few years to countries if they don't even have the aircraft themselves? It's like saying the US will begin selling the F-35 in a few years or the F-22 (which I believe hasnot been designated for service yet).

wha??
the RNFA has ordered some! atleast 200 i think??
there is already a squadron of F22's.

Out perform the F-35, it is does not exist.

evidence to prove otherwise? there is no evidence ethier way.

american mad man, the MiG 1.42 has been part of the R and D budget since the a980's so i don't think u know wat u're talking about, a prototype of the MiG was nearly finished in 1992, way beore a prototype became available of the F-22, so it would've entered before, but then the economic crisis, meant that MiG had to put the plane in storage

u are thinking about whole terms, but i'm talking about percentage wise

the russian economy is 1.282 trillion and it is estimated to grow 7.3%, that means that russia will gow by $93.586 billion, the american economy is 10.99 trillion and it is estimated to grow by 3.1%, which is less than half of the growth rate of Russia, but, if u were to put it in real numbers, america is going to grow by approximately $340.69 billion, so, u are half wrong, half right

Originally posted by Dima
...u know wat u're talking about, a prototype of the MiG was nearly finished in 1992, way beore a prototype became available of the F-22...

Dima, do you EVER research something before you post?

The Demeval on the ATF program concluded in 1990, and the F-22 was selected as the winner in 1991.

sheesh...

You are baiting right?

None of the fighters you mentioned - not the Mig, not the Sukhoi, and CERTAINLY not the Pak-fa will be a threat to the Raptor.

The F/A-22 is BY FAR the best fighter in the world, and will be for at least 15 more years.

here is an excellent example of the propaganda that is fed into the minds of americans, u see, and u guys disclaim the fact that under the Bush symptom the whole world seems to know that Bush is an ass, but u guys don't, americans................

Originally posted by Dima
here is an excellent example of the propaganda that is fed into the minds of americans, u see, and u guys disclaim the fact that under the Bush symptom the whole world seems to know that Bush is an ass, but u guys don't, americans................

DIMA, let's get this straight, OK.

S-37; The SU47 has NO chance against a raptor because it is severly inferior in BVR combat. The Raptor has stealth and better avionics on it's side, there for it wins

Pak-fa; This aircraft does not even belong in the same catagory as the Raptor - it's US rival in both cost and performance will be the F-35a/b/c JSF NOT the F/A-22 Raptor

Mig 1.42/1.44; This is the one aircraft that might have a chance, but sadly, it loses as well. The Russians are FAR behind in stealth technology, and just looking at the aircraft, you can see it is not very stealthy - just look at the right angles on the wingtips, or the rectangle shaped intakes. All basic 1st generation stealth no nos.

The only one with a head full of propaganda here is you Dima.

These Russian birds are fine aircraft, but they are inferior to the raptor.

The F/A-22 is BY FAR the best fighter in the world, and will be for at least 15 more years.

dunno there like a full production F23 would probably kick its ass.
pity it wont happen

Out of curiosity. I still don't know what a AYAK is. May someone please enlighten me?

AJAX (AYAKS) is the name given to the Russian hypersonic spaceplane concept.

actually no, u give absolutely nothing good on russian aircraft, now, that is propaganda, all americans are infected with the Bush symptom, the world sees it, but u guys don't its really sad

the MiG 1.44/42 wasn't designed for american types of stealth, but it was designed to use plasma stelath technology, thats why it has those right angles, and isn't as curvacious as the F-22, it isn't designed around RAM and shaping the aircraft for "physical" stealth, its designed for plasma stealth wit minor bsaic principles

and engineer i was just responding to American Mad Man's post where he said the russians won't have anything able to defeat the F-22 until 2020, i was just mentioning that the MiG-1.42/44 was supposed to come at around the same time as the F-22, give it a year or maybe two

Originally posted by COWlan
Out of curiosity. I still don't know what a AYAK is. May someone please enlighten me?

Also known in English as AJAX. It is a hypersonic (Mach 5+) high altitude aircraft. Think Russias Aurora, only instead of being a spyplane, it would be a multipurpose aircraft.

They aparently are partnering with China on this to save money.

Check out Titus' thread here

American Mad Man, u mentioned early on that the PAK-FA will not pose a threat to the F-22, i disagree, here's why www.rfforces.com...

look at it, supercruising at Mach1.6-1.7 slightly better than an F-22, a range of 4000 km, which is even longer than an Su-27 and its variants, it weights kinda lot for a light aircraft, 2500 km max speed, normal, it looks like a cross of an F/A-18 with the wings and an Su-27 and its variants for the fuselage

Dima, the problem is you are only relying on published 'thoughts' of what the aircraft can do. Its ok though. Kids tend to get behind something and then grow up. Thats life. I loved the Pontiac Trans Am when I was a young teen and then airman, drove the wheels off it. Then I bought my first Corvette. I loved the first airplane I flew ( cessna 140 ) and now my Lancair is my vette in the sky.

[edit on 12/4/2004 by just_a_pilot]

If your telling me that Russia can't even afford to spend $70 million to build even one Ajax then don't even comment on ATS.com I'm sure Rus has 10 built, have you guys ever stopped and asked your selve "why is Rus & U.S.A. building these 5th Gen planes?" It's for WW3 if you havent figured it out yet!!!!!!!

[edit on 5-12-2004 by SiberianTiger]

Originally posted by khruschev
Russia will have new fighters which will be able to counter and outperform the US fighters such as F/A-22 and F-35 by 2012-2013.
MiG 1.44 will be ready for sale to Russian Air Force by 2008. Su-47 will be offered to other countries. Sukhoi PAK-FA will be ready by 2010 for sale. AYAKS is approaching too.

And F/A-22 isn't such a good fighter it is told to be. It's like saying that MiG-19 can go Mach 7

How are they going to make up a 20 year deficit in technology and development in the areas where they can't compete today? I am talking about design, avionics, radar, reliability/dependability, engine technology, stealth, manufacturing techniques (composites), etc. by 2013? In the 1980's certain operational Mig models still used vacuum tubes in some of the electronics. Once you have the technologies to make an aircraft that could go head to head with a Raptor, it will take 10 - 20 years just to get it developed and deployed. That means that an effective threat to the Raptor from Russion is 20-30 years away, and who knows what the US will have in the air by then, probably anti gravity ships, lol. Most certainly sub-orbital craft that could strike anywhere in the globe within 90 minutes, if these aren't already operating. Most people just don't have any idea the amount of resources and technology that exists in the US Military/Industrial complex.

You say that the F-22 isn't really such a good fighter, that the claims aren't true. You don't provide any evidence to support this statement. National pride is one thing, but the Raptor has nothing to fear from anything Russia will be able to field in the next 25-30 years. The Europeans are a different story . . . But I hope that the US and Europe can make amends over their current differences, the world will be a much safer place.

Originally posted by Dima
actually no, u give absolutely nothing good on russian aircraft, now, that is propaganda, all americans are infected with the Bush symptom, the world sees it, but u guys don't its really sad

the MiG 1.44/42 wasn't designed for american types of stealth, but it was designed to use plasma stelath technology, thats why it has those right angles, and isn't as curvacious as the F-22, it isn't designed around RAM and shaping the aircraft for "physical" stealth, its designed for plasma stealth wit minor bsaic principles

and engineer i was just responding to American Mad Man's post where he said the russians won't have anything able to defeat the F-22 until 2020, i was just mentioning that the MiG-1.42/44 was supposed to come at around the same time as the F-22, give it a year or maybe two

The Mig 1.4/44 doesn't have curvacious stealth because Russia lacks the design capability to duplicate it, and it doesn't have the manufacturing technology to produce the resulting complex composite airframes and skins. What is "Plasma Stealth" anyway, sounds like another marketing ploy to sell aircraft to arab oil nations.