Quit Smoking Cigarettes,, Vape yourself

Originally posted by Shypeir
reply to post by daskakik

 

But you're saying that it's not the naturally occurring chemicals or the nicotine, but the act of inhaling the smoke that causes health issues in smokers? I had a look into it..... maybe we should just snuff.

It is the products of the combustion that we then inhale.

There are supposed to be no cases of cancer due to snuff except for one case where a gentleman had the habit of putting snuff in his ear. At least that is all I found.

Hasn't humanity had thousands of years inhaling inorganic burning substances, including herbs, woodsmoke, tobacco, marijuana and a host of other things as well as possessing longevity in their history and traditions?

Not really. Life expectancy from 10,000 BCE - 1820 was around 25 years and since then it has gone up, giving humans more time to smoke them if they got them. Some info: Wood Smoke Fact Sheet

A medical evaluation of Mexican women who regularly cook over open wood fires revealed ravaged lungs and Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension, more severe than tobacco-related Chronic Obstructed Pulmonary Disease. (Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension and Cor Pulmonale Associated with Chronic Domestic Wood smoke Inhalation, Julio Sandoval, M.D., etal., Chest 1993;103:pp12-20.)

I guess it's pointless pro smoking on a vaping thread, but I'm sure there would be more artificial chemicals in the vapes than in my cigarette smoke. They have to make the e-cig with something, and I dont like sucking on plastic. Plastic is bad lol

Not if you got facts to back up your claims. E-juice contains PG, nicotine and flavorings.

I think you are wrong in thinking that "artificial chemicals = bad" and that "natural chemicals = good". Nicotine is the perfect example because it is natural and it is more toxic than cyanide. Yet we have no problem pointing out that in small doses it may even do some good.

Also not all plastics are the same but if someone was really paranoid about plastic I'm sure they could find someone who could make them a mouth piece out of a material that they felt safe with.

I changed to a vaporizer too. I mix vanilla and cinnamon 24mg. The good thing is I am completely satisfied with it.
I first tried the regular ecigs but they did not take away the need for a real cig. So if you are a heavy smoker you should try a vaporizer. It really works! I use the ego-ctwist. Just google it.

Just a little FYI. To get more life out of your cartomizers for the Smoktech DCT's Boil them in water for an hour. After they cooldown, hold the bottom and blow out the remaining water thru the intake hole and let sit for a couple days to dry. Walla, clean wick and reusable.

I did find that the O-Rings wear out after about a week on the 2 tanks i bought causing cart flooding. Luckily i was able to get a few of the right size and thickness from the maintenance dept here at work. Im still trying to find a supply of them elsewhere. I dont know if it was from cheap orings or what but we shall see how long these last. First ones were 8 days. Ill update if these fail in the same amount of time or shorter.

Mixing my own juice was the greatest thing i could have ever done. Not only do i save even more money but my carts last longer(additives??) and the juice lasts longer also because i dont have to refill as much. I love Citrusy things so i started with the lemon and im now making my own that is 100x better!!!! So tasty!!! Tastes like a lemonhead!! LOL

I had originally tried the ecigs about 5yrs ago and they were such a hassle it didnt seem to be worth it, but this new stuff is amazing.

Thanks for the info OP

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Originally posted by grayghost
Good thread and it very kind of you to help out your peers on ATS.

Now if only you could come up with something to help out the guys that dip skoal.

I would love to quit while still have a tooth left

Last part was a joke i put my teeth in a jar

edit on 17-7-2012 by grayghost because: Add lol

dip mint snuff or other Chew..

or go back to
Chewing gum!!

Originally posted by grayghost
Now if only you could come up with something to help out the guys that dip skoal.

There are a few safer alternatives to dipping:
Nasal Snuff: Powdered tobacco that is inhaled. The only negative piece on nasal snuff seems to be made by a Dr. John Hill who later recanted. snuffhouse.org... has a lot of info about it.

Snus: Moist swedish tobacco that is placed between the gum and cheek. Goes though a process that reduces the TSNAs. Sweden has a very low incidence of cancer due to tobacco because of its popular use.

Dissolvables: Compressed tobacco which can be in the form of pills (Avira and Stonewall) or others (Camel dissolvables) which are in pill, stick, film form. Don't know about the camel but the other 2 process the tobacco in order to lower the TSNAs.

I'm not really sure what it is about dip that makes it worse than any of the above. This article points the finger at PAHs.

The scientists analyzed the PAHs in 23 moist snuff samples that included various flavors of the most popular brands sold in the U.S. They identified 23 different PAHs in the samples, of which 9 are classified as carcinogens. They conclude that PAHs are one of the most abundant groups of cancer-causing substances in moist snuff.

Doin a little update, after 3 months, the smoktech DCT tanks were nothing but a humungous hassle. Constant flooding, inconsistencies in the diameter of the purchased cartomizers, causing leaks, o-rings failing after 7-10 days. After much reading, the vision vivi nova tank is a much better choice if you want to use a tank. It screws together instead of pushes together, its a wicking system instead of a pressure feed, and you dont have to pull the carts out. Its a different animal altogether and i must say 100x better in my opinion. i can actually still taste the flavor of my juices after a couple days instead of a burnt up carto.

Just an added FYI for you all.

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This October 23rd will be 3 years vaping instead of smoking!

Some thoughts: I use The DCTs from ECBlend. 10 pack is like 9.99. I also use ECBlend liquid now. 50ml sour green apple with double extra flavor for about $16 or so. Plus they always have coupon codes for 10% off. They sell batteries, but I haven't tried them yet. Once the ones I have die, I'll try theirs.

If at first you don't succeed, try try again! Good luck to all.

reply to post by Blackjack Baby


Congrats BB,

Ive been make my own juice since week 2. Much more economical and made to my liking

So I'm about to turn 30 two weeks from today, and decided I would never smoke anything again. So I'm getting a couple of vaporizers next weekend!

I love that you can toke this stuff in public and not have to worry about laws against it. No smoke = social acceptance!

Way better for the body.

Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0
reply to post by Blackjack Baby

 

Congrats BB,

Ive been make my own juice since week 2. Much more economical and made to my liking

I just started a couple weeks ago and I'm weening myself from analogs. I got two Infernos
and a KGO along with a Vivi Nova Mega plus various cartos and clearos.

I really want to try some natural extract juice since it has the MAOIs I believe, more
research is needed. Also, I have some Volts on the way for stealth vaping and not
looking like I'm smoking a space age crack pipe. Yes, some people have been questioned
by the cops for hitting on their Ego equipped Vivi in public, and draw a lot of attention to
themselves. I keep mine indoors.

Well this time around i didn't care about aesthetics, i wanted pure functionality. And with the 1000mah Ego-C Twist and the Vision Vivi Nova Tank v3 i got exactly what i wanted. I get 3 days from the batt and 2 days from the tank. Each week Ive made the mg less per batch and when i hit zero, i should be done with it forever.

Congrats Yngvarr, you've started at a good time. Technology has grown by leaps and bounds since i tried it the first time 5yrs ago. This time around im at 70 days smoke free and cant stand the smell of analogs anymore. I definitely dont see myself ever ever going back to them!!

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reply to post by S1LV3R4D0

Thanks.
I've been through the patch, gum and lozenge. I always felt that something else was missing and
did some poking around then I learned just how evil big tobacco is! Just Google ammonia/nicotine
to learn about the free basing effect ammonia gives nic.

That's when I learned about MAOIs in tobacco. I think that's a huge part of the addiction, not just
the nic. I believe that's what caused me to fall back to stinkys before. Hopefully the natural
extract does the trick.

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0


I still make my own liquid from time to time. I buy nicotine at 50mg and cut it down to 25mg. I just can't seem to make a decent sour green apple, though.

Quit smoking over 2 years ago and started vaping, not looked back for a moment, been blending my own flavours for a while now, and can't believe have much money I have saved..

What has really pleased me over the last year is how mainstream they have gone here in the UK..

Now I can pop into my local supermarket and get some while doing my weekly food shop, or pop into the local chemists, or local sweetshops and pick one up should I run out... Not to mention there are 3 shops that only sell ecigs within a few miles of my home.

I never thought they would get that mainstream, thinking the anti-smoking crowd would push to get them banned etc.. For those in the UK Sainsburys sell disposable and reusable ecigs over their sweety/ciggy counters.. Knowing that saved my bacon while out last weekend and I left my juice at home..

reply to post by Blackjack Baby


I just did a quick search, i hope these help some. i didnt look for a sour green apple on them but maybe you can tinker and make ur own mix.

Vapors Forum recipes

ELiquid Recipes

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reply to post by thoughtsfull


I think its becoming more mainstream thanks to good vapors informing the mis-informed and not being aholes about it.

I have personally talked with quite a few people about it when they see me doing it. I blow my lemony water vapor in their faces(after asking for approval) and they are pleasantly surprised and become very supportive after the fact.

There is a local ejuice store here but not any place close to get parts. But then again, i try not to be one of those vapers who need every new fangled thing under the sun. After much research, i found what i wanted, it worked for me and whalla, no more costs!!!

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reply to post by S1LV3R4D0


Good points about the those who vape tend to inform those who do not in a generally sensible way, as opposed to the usual scare tactics... however I also think the UK government coming out on the side of those who vape has helped (here in the UK at least)

The fact that the likes of Sainsburys have taken up the mantel of selling ecigs is a really good sign, not sure what the similar company would be in America.. but as far as branding goes they are a fairy well respected retailer..

To give you an indicator, it's the type of food retailer the advocates and uses things like traffic lights on food to indicate how healthy/unhealthy food is.. and seeing them sell ecigs alongside that type of branding adds a degree of respectability.. which I think is great. as all the noises that ran along the lines of banning ecigs had me worried for a while.

Glad you have had some good experiences... jsut checked my order history and it seems I have been vaping over 3 years now.. LOL, time flying wheay to fast and I am only on my second device type...

Although I do have some decent shops and outlets around me I have stuck with one model now for the last 2 years, although I have to admit that I am tempted with one of the newer tank ones.. LOL, I've not got that far yet as the batteries I brought 2 years ago are still working fine, only now I'm running out of atomisers, which they no longer make *boohoo rubs eyes* guess there comes a time for change..

Interestingly, one of the Universities in England have designed a new tank based ecig, now sure if I like it.. but it is good to see an interest being taken from other quarters that are not just China.. that can only be a positive forward direction and certainly undermines the NRT studies that attempt to slam ecigs based on the notion of cheap/substandard manufacturing from China..

Anyway rambled enough as it is... good to chat to you

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Thats interesting how england has embraced them. I was just reading an article in the supermarket industry magazine about the njoy being the death of cigarettes in retail grocery chains. It may get the mainstream push here that it needs now that the technology is actually at a point where it can sustain itself instead of being more of a hassle than its worth.

Heres to hoping for everyone vaping instead of smoking.

Cheers,

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It's good the technology is now moving forward from the messy products I first brought.. although I prefer to create my own flavours, I do like the disposable cartomiser approach as it is an easy route to vaping.. and an easy product for the run of the mill retailer to sell..

Amusingly in the UK we have introduced legislation that means cigarettes at cigarette counters of larger retailers are now hidden behind bland gray screens, demoting cigarettes can only help promote vaping.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...

But if I am honest, I think we have embraced them more because we have a conservative Government that wants to save cash on it's socialised medical care... and one way to save cash is to cut down on things like cigarette related illness.

One of the UK Governments committees has reported back that nudging people from Smoking to Vaping could save at least 10,000 lives per year in the UK alone.. that's a huge saving on the medical bills.. and as cynical as I can be, if that is the real motivator for the Government to try and nudge people over to using ECigs then I can't help but still feel glad.

www.guardian.co.uk...

And since I posted about Sainsburys it seems all the UKs larger food retailers are also selling them (you learn something new every day) which is good news.. the more entrenched it becomes the better it is for those of us who vape.

I will put my hands up and say I have been deeply concerned about where this could head if Big Pharma decided to throw their weight behind getting these banned in favour of their products.. I tried all their NRT stuff, and nothing worked for me, but ecigs do, blending my own I've been working down the strengths and now down to 8mg.. and to be honest in comparison to the NRT bits, I've enjoyed the process

It's really good to chat to you

As we Brits sometimes say, thank crunchie it's Friday, and here's hoping you have a good weekend