The Bright and Morning Star "Mary" Queen of Heaven and husband Allah

Sorry, but regarding the crescent moon and star symbol, it was only adopted during the Ottoman Empire by the leader Osman as far as I can recall, when he had a dream one night. During Muhammad's time up until the time of the Ottoman, plain blank coloured flags was only used for the muslims armies, etc.


In fact there are muslims today who reject the crescent moon and star as sort of like a 'symbol' for Islam, thinking that it's 'paganistic' and had nothing to do with islam other than originating back when it was used to represent the ottomans on the flags.

Originally posted by rabzdguy
Islam and Catholics are similar yes, so are all the abrahamic faiths. Islam regard Mary most high, thus the unity between islam and catholics. Islam has surat Mariam, to acknowledge her, which catholics see as respect, in return Town of Fatima was born named after Prophet Mohammeds daughter.

To me its always been islam and catholics vs christianity and jews, but at the same time all being controlled by the same source. Battle of wealth, resources and power. That is your beast.

And BTW what makes Christianity safe? Knowing they are just part of the ploy.

Why did jesus let all this happen? (i Bet youll blame it on the devil)

Good read anyways..

People often mistake catholicism as christianity, and it is not and the proof of that is in their rituals and the priestly/clergy garb, the use of "holy water", waving the sign of the "cross" in the air, the clergy being unable to marry (Yeshua never forbid marriage) which is what the priests of Dagon were forbid to do. In the medievel times and during the Renaissance the Pope wore the entire fish garment of the priests of Dagon including the robe with the train (tail) but that was discontinued in modern times except for the Papal fish hat (mitre). If you look closely and know anything about ancient religions you can pick Mithraism, Dagonism, Heliolatry (sungoddess worship) right down to the sexually abusing of little boys and alcoholism. The Vatican sits ontop of the temple of Cybele that is still accessible via necropolis catacombs underneath.









See the cross in the above pic? Does it look familiar? Templar Cross/Maltese Cross. and it's upside down.

Pope tries hard to hide that fish hat, but the Papacy was doomed when they could no longer control the common peasants from learning to read and write. When the common folk began to read and write they compared the scriptures to what the pope and clergy were doing and rebelled and protestanism was born through Peter Waldo's work and the war the french hugenaughts had with Rome.

Wealth and recources has nothing to do with this beast except that they are symptons of the disease lying underneath and all the while this thing is a ticking timebomb and it will go off, it's just a matter of time.

Ishtar, Isis is Sirius B as far as I know, and yes then there is the mares of the moon, so they really do a lot of coding.

But for every dark code there is a LIGHT code and undoing. A springing of all traps by Family. For example, Mary's link to Isis, Ishtar/Inanna got around alot, she was not only Moses wife, but other people's wives as well, they smash together alot of myth and link them all up, so that in reality you're talking about a code, not who someone is.

But from what I read, the most ancient people's veneration of Mother, was that she was the God/Mother/Creator of the Universe, which is a womb/matrix, and all the other stuff and associations came after and its codee.

So we're literally talking about the Divine Feminine. Which means = Equality and Uncondtional Love, even Sophia/Wisdom. The very attributes we need to learn to leave the matrix universe and graduate.

So, someone went to a lot of trouble to cast mirky waters and pollute names, beings, myths, and even tie them together, whereas they couldn't be all those things.

Dad/Mom/and Family is the best way to see Family in Progression, As Above So Below does have some uses, or As Below, So Above, sometimes, if this is foundational.

By their fruits they are known. This shows us that Love and Goodness (not harm or violence or forcing or slavery or control or rule of rabbi/priest/immam, not punishments and certainly not wars) only Love and Goodness, there is where a person is to look.

Your heart responds to Love and leads the way.

I would even go so far as to say some macho scholars went a long way in polluting meanings and construing feminie with moon or darkness and Equality and Unconditional Love as negative to keep messing the minds of an adapts who rise in knowledge. Keeping it all a male club.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Sirius was the most important star in the sky to the ancient Egyptians. The ancient Egyptian calendar was based on the rising of Sirius. It is established for certain that Sirius was sometimes identified by the ancient Egyptians with their chief goddess Isis....

We know that the 'companion of Sirius' is in reality Sirius B. It is conceivable that Osiris-as-Orion, 'the companion of Sirius,' is a stand-in for the invisible true companion Sirius B.
'The oldest and simplest form of the name' of Osiris, we are told, is a hieroglyph of a throne and an eye. The 'eye' aspect of Osiris is thus fundamental. The Bozo tribe of Mali, related to the Dogon, call Sirius B 'the eye star'. Since Osiris is represented by an eye and is sometimes considered 'the companion of Sirius', this is equivalent to saying that Osiris is 'the eye star', provided only that one grants the premise that the existence of Sirius B really was known to the ancient Egyptians and that 'the companion of Sirius' therefore could ultimately refer to it.....

In discussing Egyptian beliefs, Plutarch says that Anubis was really the son of Nephthys, sister to Isis, although he was said to be the son of Isis. Nephthys was 'invisible', Isis was 'visible'. (In other words, the visible mother was the stand-in for the invisible mother, who was the true mother, for the simple reason that the invisible mother could not be perceived.)
Plutarch said that Anubis was a 'horizontal circle, which divides the invisible part ... which they call Nephthys, from the visible, to which they give the name Isis; and as this circle equally touches upon the confines of both light and darkness, it may be looked upon as common to them both.'.....

Isis-as-Sirius was customarily portrayed by the ancient Egyptians in their paintings as travelling with two companions in the same celestial boat. And as we know, Sirius does, according to some astronomers, have two companions, Sirius B and Sirius C....

So what we really seem to have at the root of this entire thing, is Sirius B, the negative polarity of the Sirius system (ie. the gravity or heavy frequency star in the duality) and Orion, and the annanuki, we have the negative overlords???? Or control systems.

Though the annanuki seem to also be tied into Lyra. Since my own memories come from Lyra, and that group was the Equality, connected to the natives and Lemuria in the journey here, I would say if the annanuki, or negative corporation running slave planets, was connected to Lyra it would be because they do Trojan Horse takeovers from the inside, taking over leaders and scientists. Or some kind of pact between the corrupt groups, negatives in all these systems.

They run slave planets.

Just about everything on earth is coded to Ufology.

Many people who are drawn to the understanding of Mother and the Universal Womb, and the Equality totally renounce all these codes and they speak of Divine Mother, as Mom, meaning the Prime Creator, with no negative associations, pure Love and Goodness on the highest frequencies, and choose to see the positive in all the codes as early struggles to acknowledge the Unconditional Love/Equality as the way back home, by all the ancient people's only to have those names, terms, ideas polluted and twisted by the macho's.

Mother also means Father and Mother, for its the Equality and the Family, for its the opposite of an obelisk or pryamid, but is the challice and the equality of infinite family in progression.

So I don't know I look at alot of convoluted twisted plots to make the positive negative and negative positive and turn night into dark and dark into night, to make bitter all that is truly sweet.

They don't change history by killng a few and just rewriting. They preserve a skeleton of the truth, and pass it on to themselves somewhat, I don't think their ego's can absorb too much truth, for Family is Humble of Heart. But, they hide it behind scarey doors. Ie. Infinity is a spiral, not meant to be a circle. That spiral is a serpent (though there are real serpent races too), so Wisdom/Sophia is associated with snakes and dragons and many will turn away from ever realizing that it was so simply the truth. That we all need to strive for Love, Equality and Preserve Individual Freedoms to go back home. And if you called your spiritual vehicle the purple pumpkin it would not even matter.

That if you take away mom and dad and call it A and B, and A is Love and Equality, B some structure (not the fascist ones we have) and freedom/sovereignity. And they suppress A and twist B to wars and dog eat dog, the lower frequency channels of nature, then you have a problem: a slave planet that creates a circle.

there is definately a connection with a woman and son

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians4

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Philippians2

Mother and son is simply to me, Atom/Adam/Michael/Christ have a connection to humanity and the tests here.

Mother/Father represent Highly Progressed Extra Universal Families who created the Universe/Mirror and Program it.

Christ/son is us really but Higher Form perhaps the perfect model for the one who wakes up, cares about equality and the people, his ministry and the connection to his Higher Self and Family is complete.

He tells us we all can do what he has done and greater.

Also if you were to put Mary and Allah together as a couple like in the OP, then you're just speaking a dark side code of Sirius and Orion, or something similar.

All the names in the myths and religions are not Family above, but either people or symbols for various elohim/annanuki/entities and ets in the system, school.

Alot of dead stars and gravity enslaving planets.

I like sifting through all their convoluted codings and putting it in the simplest truest terms, very basic, just see the pattern and see the basic thing that is being misdirected or altered or used against us.

Originally posted by bjarneorn
YOU ARE WRONG.

First of all, we do not have the same origin. The idea, that we do is so preposterous ...

The idea of one origin, is the gospel of the Warlord who is telling his disciples that the "others" are blind, and have strayed away from the path ... and need to be brought into the herd, for their own good. What better way, to conquer the world, than to create a fals book of Mormon, that tells you this and that, and justifies to you to take away peoples land and home.

This is a complex scenario ... to conquer, you first need to break their spirit. What better way to break their spirit, than to have them believe they don't have their own roots ...

Finally, they'll end up like the Indians, in reservations ... and ultimately, they'll end up like the Chinese and the Mongols. Are you absolutely sure, that the Chinese aren't Genghis Cahn descendants? ... or was it Genghis Chan and the Mongols that got "swallowed" by Chinese genes?

Muslims are told to have many children, and we in the North are getting decadent ... and are slowly disappearing from the earth. The only question that matters, is ... does it matter, who inherits the earth? Is diversity that important?

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This isn't about breaking their spirits or conquering. It's about freeing the people from the Harlot that rides the Beast. What is better, to know the lie and turn to the truth and to Yeshua and away from Muhammad or to remain in the lie and perish? It's yours and their choice, YHWH has given me the keys and i have given you the keys to unlock your shackles. Will you remain in bondage to the Harlot? I loved you all enough to subject myself to sleepless nights of tossing and turning over this matter, over wrangling with YHWH over revealing this but his will be done, not mine. Plumbing the depths of 5000 years worth of ancient and modern religion and there were times i thought my sanity would crumble underneath the stress of what i was being shown. I have shown you what Heylel has done, the hidden symboism right in front of your eyes that your vision slides passed, do you think the Crescent moon and star are coincidence? Assuredly not because it is everywhere, i cannot walk out my door without it being in my face. I have shown you in the OP what i have seen and what i have learned, will you turn a blind eye to it?

Fundamentalist Christians seem to think that their local Church is the Bride of Christ.

Pfft.

Originally posted by waterplants
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

you should do a bit more research, my friend.

"the morning star" = venus.

venus does not = "allah".

In catholicism it = "Mary" the "Queen of Heaven" whom is the wife of God and Mother of God and that means God = Nimrod, and "Mary" (whom Muslims also revere) = Semiramis so Allah = Nimrod and we see it in the form of:



Crescent moon and star. Symbolism everywhere you look. When you're out walking around, take a close look at your surroundings and see if you can see the Crescent moon and Star.

In order to be free you have to see through all the corruption, all the lies, all the greed, all the dog eat dog, survival of the fittest animal/beast kindgoms (that was the past, lower dimension, and we hang in the middle ground here), all politics, all religions, and really just start to equalize and feed people, but not impose fascism and a whole dumptruck full of legislations, do so with respect for everyone, no forcing/slavery. And a person could be an athiest and do it, or spiritual or metaphorical modern philosophical religious wedded to spirituality, but fundamentalism of any kind and ancient paths of harshness, wars and smitings does not do it. Harming women, inequality, or corporal punishments does not do it.

For anyone that can already live peacefully, and equally, without all the rulers and leaders overhead and basically understand virtues of not harm and equality, who wouldn't even need laws, and would never wish to live with greed or inequality, but just wants everyone happy and equal, all with homes and gardens, they have already freed themselves and are past earth tests.

I don't even the symbology in the BIBLE of Harlot or Woman in any way being associated with the macho reptilian schemes and plans. Women aren't really a part of it and they don't have the right to use our names or talk about us since they have beaten the hell up of Mother, and smashed equality to the ground and thrown burka's om Sophia and women and act horribly. I tell those guys not to even look at a women, don't stand in her presence, don't use female terminology, your whore/madonna syndromes, and pucker up and kiss each other, you know you wanna. If you can get past the 3 rows of raptor teeth that is.


I Set Myself Free

That is why I will never be an adept, yes I am very interested in their codes, but then walk away from the boys club, its a CIRCLE for infinity.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by queenofangels_17

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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You see what you want to see, lonewolf and I pity you because you chose to hold on to lies instead of truth, if you have researched for the Truth you would have found it, if the Truth is truly what you seek.

I see the truth and I understand it and i have found it. It is you who refuses to see the truth and in your blindness you accuse me of being blind. You should save your pity for yourself because Mystery Babylon has you in her fist and you can't even see the monster holding onto you.

Mystery Babylon is not and will never be Islam.

Islam is the community of enlightened people. We believe in the One God and have passed from darkness to light.

Jesus answered: `It is just that he who will not believe in the truth to his salvation should believe in a lie to his damnation. Wherefore I say unto you, that the world hath ever despise the true prophets and loved the false, as can be seen in the time of Michaiah and Jeremiah. For every like loveth his like.'

If they are enlightened, why scream allah ackbar and blow up innocent people? I know not all muslims do this, but why isn't it condemned?
I think jihad has been misinterpreted by alot of islams followers

Islam does not condone killing of innocent people, Hamrheed, the people who do so err grievously in the sight of Allah. The Holy Qur'an is specific in discriminating the enemies, only those who openly challenge the faith and make war with them in religion are the known enemies and it is those who if one meets in a battle has a warrant from Allah to kill.

4:94 O ye who believe! When ye go forth to fight in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou are not a believer;" seeking the chance profits of this life so that ye may despoil him. With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus as he now is were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever informed of what ye do.

Abû Dâwûd relates from Anas b. Mâlik that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) would say the following words to his troops before sending them to war: “Go forward in the name of Allah. Do not kill an elderly person, nor a small child, nor a woman, and do not exceed the bounds.”

"Fight in the way of Allaah against those who fight you and do not trangress the limits. Indeed, Allah does not love those who trangress". (Qur'an 2:190).

The killing of women and children is included within this, and so are those who are not involved in warfare.

Islam does not condone, suicide bombing and whoever does so is following an innovation not something that the Prophet of Allah taught his followers.

The Prophet said:
Whoever throws himself down from a high mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down from a mountain in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever takes poison and kills himself will be taking poison in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever kills himself with a weapon (literally, iron) will be holding it in his hand and stabbing himself in the stomach in the Fire of Hell for all eternity . Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever..

Islam has always required perfect chivalry and discipline. For that reason, soldiers are ordered to endure and fight even in the face of tremendous odds. The Islamic rules of military conduct never permit using civilians as targets or as hostages. In Islam, even so-called “collateral damage” is unacceptable. Therefore, if a Muslim kills himself, along with innocents, it is a doubly forbidden act.

The Prophet said:

...Whoever fights under the banner of a people whose cause is not clear, who gets flared up with family pride, calls people to fight in the cause of their family honor or fights to support his kith and kin, and is killed, then he dies in a state of jāhilīyyah (as in the days of ignorance before Islam). Whoever indiscriminately attacks my Ummah, killing the righteous and wicked among them, sparing not even those firm in faith, and fulfilling not a pledge made with whoever was given a promise of security, has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him.

There are fourteen ways to make jihad in Islam, combative Jihad is the last of them but the first one is this Jihad that I and the Muslims here on ATS are doing, the jihad of spreading the message of Islam which the Prophet did for thirteen years before Allah revealed the verse with the sanction to fight the disbelievers in combat.

Peace!

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Islam was created by Rome and the world leaders. One thing, unlike Christianity, which progresses from violence to peace, it progresses from peace to violence.

Its leader was possibly a Bishop of Rome, and there was alot of evidence that there were many Christians livingin the land at the time. So not just the cult of the moon.

It was created as a tool for war and oppression, and like all the male club, everythign is about WAR and CIRCLES and abuse of freedom and equality.

reply to post by Madhouse

Sorry, but regarding the crescent moon and star symbol, it was only adopted during the Ottoman Empire by the leader Osman as far as I can recall, when he had a dream one night. During Muhammad's time up until the time of the Ottoman, plain blank coloured flags was only used for the muslims armies, etc.

Doesn't matter when it was adopted by, archeaological evidence found in Hazor proves the crescent moon is the symbol for Allah which makes him Heylel and now you know why it found it's way back to the Arabs. It was always a part of their pre-islamic religion.

Here's that symbolism again....

reply to post by queenofangels_17

Islam does not condone killing of innocent people, Hamrheed, the people who do so err grievously in the sight of Allah. The Holy Qur'an is specific in discriminating the enemies, only those who openly challenge the faith and make war with them in religion are the known enemies and it is those who if one meets in a battle has a warrant from Allah to kill.

"Only those who openly challenge the faith". So Freedom of speech goes right out the door hm? Ok for islam to pick at other religions but if they retaliate to defend their beliefs they are met with the sword...

Well tell me why it is punishable by death for a muslim to convert to something else hm? What they do does not effect you personally so why care? Were the people who died in 9/11 making war on Islam? No they were just minding their own business and couldn't give a fart in the wind about Allah or islam.

Tell me why Sharia law which is the core of Islam, disputes what you say? Even your Allah is a hypocrit.

Common Sharia Laws

1- Jihad defined as “to war against all non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
3- The head of an Islamic State (Caliph) cannot be charged, let alone be punished for serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape (Hudood cases) - Codified Islamic Law Vol 3 # 914C of and page 188 of Hedaya the Hanafi manual.
4- A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.
5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph in one case, if he rejects Islam.
8- A Muslim who leaves Islam (apostate) must be killed immediately.
9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of : a) an apostasy b) an adulterer c) a highway robber. Making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.
10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.
11- Sharia never abolished slavery and sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing
12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, for sins like killing, adultery, prostitutions; and other Quranic corporal punishments like: amputation of limbs (chopping hands and feet), floggings, beatings and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for the sins like: stealing, sexual promiscuity, robbery, burglary etc.
13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia (pay Zizzya: poll tax) if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their own religious scriptures, or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he commits adultery with a Muslim woman or if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. However, Muslims can curse, criticize or say anything derogatory they like to the religions of others.
15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or a bathhouse attendant. Women in such low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
18- A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslims minority.
19- Homosexuality is punishable by death. (18 January 2011, 5:26pm) - Two young men who filmed themselves having sex with a 17-year-old have been sentenced to death by stoning in Iran (click on image for full story)
20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.
21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
23- There is no common property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits. Sister gets half of what brother gets.
25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and wife has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.
26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and also with women captured in battle (concubines), and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man; that is, two women equal to one man.
29- A woman looses custody if she remarries.
30- A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.
31- A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body which is considered “Awrah,” a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face and some don’t.
32- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”
33-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory and is known as Taqiyya (Islamic Deception). That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.
The above are clear-cut laws in Islam decided by great Imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Mohammed’s life.

34. The perpetrators of genocide, mass rape and plunder will not be punished if they repent - Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 # 13.
35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.
36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed

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reply to post by queenofangels_17


So are you then going on record to state that the Hadiths are not authoritative?? That's a little semantics game Muslims play. No, the Quran doesn't, however the Hadiths are a completely different story. So please tell us what it says in the Hadiths about slaughtering infidels.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by queenofangels_17

Just because Muslims fight those who insult Islam does not make them less enlightened.

Muslims fight for the cause of God, you insult God, your Creator and we defend him from the likes of you. So you think you are more enlightened than these people, when you fight for idolatry, for power and money and only God knows what else it is you fight for. We fight for God, what is more noble and more enlightened than that? The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom... you think you know something but without knowledge of Your creator that knowledge means nothing.!

I thought Muslims were only supposed to fight in physical self defense, not those who insult Islam or the Creator.

There are ways of defending God without using the sword. The sword is only supposed to be used for physical self defense.

Muslims are supposed to fight for Allah and His religion, if somebody such as the OP insults the Creator then it is encumbent upon the believer to defend His Lord. With words just as I am doing and hundreds of thousands of literature written by scholars are doing. This is the first struggle or Jihad of a Muslim, words of exhortations not swords to eradicate misconceptions about Islam and Allah.

Fighting in physical self defense those who fight Allah and His religion, meaning if someone attacked them first, to be the aggressor in the fight is not allowed but fighting back when you are attacked in Allah's defense not exactly self defense.

4:76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

Fighting for Allah is to defend HIs Unity from idolaters who chose to worship idols, may they be graven image or images of living people, who love the things of the world more than the Creator, and who fight the believers just because they love the Creator.

God is the one who gave you everything that you have in your life, yet you love the gifts more than the giver, isn't that ungrateful? If He chose to take away everything from you, is there someone who can defend you from Him or stop Him from taking what is His?

60:4 There is a goodly pattern for you in Abraham and those with him, when they told their folk: Lo! we are guiltless of you and all that ye worship beside Allah. We have done with you. And there hath arisen between us and you hostility and hate for ever until ye believe in Allah only --save that which Abraham promised his father (when he said): I will ask forgiveness for thee, though I own nothing for thee from Allah our Lord! In Thee we put our trust, and unto Thee we turn repentant, and unto Thee is the journeying.

3:160 If Allah is your helper none can overcome you, and if He withdraw His help from you, who is there who can help you? In Allah let believers put their trust.

So I and whoever is with me will be fighting in the way of Allah, in words for now and in sword at the Great Battle!

Peace!

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Good find brother. That makes me wonder why Muslims claim there is no compulsion in Islam?