Holy hills and holy mountains

Volcanoes aside, please can all Jews, Muslims and Christians tell me why hills or mountains are so holy in their respective religions.

I just don't get it.

Because it links back to Heaven being in the sky and those things closest to the sky were more close to Heaven. Even Mountain Goats had a bit of a Holy Connotation due to living on high Mountains.

The same theme was why Nimrod made is Tower to compete with the Ziggarat like the one at the City of Ur in the times of the Creator gods being said to have fallen from Heaven.

Same thing was linked to the whole pyramid cultures from Egypt to the Myans.

Moses had his cave on his Mtn of Fire. Mohammad had a cave on a Mountain near Mecca.

The whole Annunaki thing from the Sumerian Clay Tablets started to whole Heaven in the Sky thing.

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And volcanoes could connect them all. The Mayans and the Hebrews, for example, worshipped volcanoes.

On top of some hills there are spots where energy flows to the sky. This energy can heal or enlighten a person. There are other places where this energy also exists, above underground rivers or underground caves. Within a cave in a mountain the presence of this energy flowing through a person is great and it can be harnessed to do stuff like levitate or projections. The Catholic churches overthrew the pagan sites that were built on these areas and built their churches there. There are no proven scientific reasons why people do things. Tracking the oddities through history is about all that can be done and analyze what people say about things.

Originally posted by rickymouse
On top of some hills there are spots where energy flows to the sky. This energy can heal or enlighten a person. There are other places where this energy also exists, above underground rivers or underground caves. Within a cave in a mountain the presence of this energy flowing through a person is great and it can be harnessed to do stuff like levitate or projections. The Catholic churches overthrew the pagan sites that were built on these areas and built their churches there. There are no proven scientific reasons why people do things. Tracking the oddities through history is about all that can be done and analyze what people say about things.

You will bring them in and plant them on the mountain of your inheritance--the place, O LORD, you made for your dwelling, the sanctuary, O Lord, your hands established. Exodus 15:17

That verse says nothing about 'energy'. There are lots of 'holy hill' or 'holy mountain' verses that talk about fire and brimstone, rivers of fire, fiery darts and lightening mixed with fire and cloud but nothing about energy.

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I live on an old Indian ceremonial site, there are trinkets buried everywhere. I put a lot of time studying this stuff and spoke to some medicine men. I spent too much time reading just about every article I could get my hands on for months. The compass spins in circles here and a dousing rod bounced all over and snapped when my uncle was checking it out. It snapped on the part sticking out, not where he was holding it. Maybe you should investigate the stuff that predates the bible to find the answers. There were cultures a lot before the Jewish people that formed the basis of the knowledge of the people contributing to the bible.

Originally posted by rickymouse
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I live on an old Indian ceremonial site, there are trinkets buried everywhere. I put a lot of time studying this stuff and spoke to some medicine men. I spent too much time reading just about every article I could get my hands on for months. The compass spins in circles here and a dousing rod bounced all over and snapped when my uncle was checking it out. It snapped on the part sticking out, not where he was holding it. Maybe you should investigate the stuff that predates the bible to find the answers. There were cultures a lot before the Jewish people that formed the basis of the knowledge of the people contributing to the bible.

Maybe you missed my previous comment. The mountain verses in the Bible have nothing to do with concentrations of energy, unless you call volcanic activity concentrations in energy and even I would not doubt the existence of energy centres in that respect.

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Moses and the burning bush. That's energy. The energy is a different kind of energy, probably electromagnetic. Fire is energy as are rivers of fire. What holds us together is energy, remove the bond and we disappear into a big mess. Things don't have to be spelled out to analyze things.

Originally posted by rickymouse
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Moses and the burning bush. That's energy. The energy is a different kind of energy, probably electromagnetic.

Volcanic gas.

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And you were there to see that it was volcanic gas? I guess that is why the tree didn't burn than.

Originally posted by rickymouse
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And you were there to see that it was volcanic gas? I guess that is why the tree didn't burn than.

Can't you do your own research? There's some serious spoon feeding going on here.

GOOGLE 'burning bush volcanic gas' and then make your own mind up.

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

And volcanoes could connect them all. The Mayans and the Hebrews, for example, worshipped volcanoes.

I thought you said in the OP "volcanos aside"..

It's ok, no worries, we all love a good volcano just as much as the next guy.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
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And volcanoes could connect them all. The Mayans and the Hebrews, for example, worshipped volcanoes.

I thought you said in the OP "volcanos aside"..

It's ok, no worries, we all love a good volcano just as much as the next guy.

Double entendre.

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I was being Sarcastic. I've heard of that theory years ago along with many others. They are only speculation created by the Sciences to try to explain the text. In essence we have no clue what it was that he saw or if it really is real at all. It is possible that something was making flames that Moses could have seen though, but anything anyone thinks up is still speculation.

This energy I speak about is the energy source of Loda, or landslides, and also the source of the energy for quicksand. It can flow through diamond pipes or carbon piles. My particular phenonynom is because of an underground river and possibly a carbon pile created by a never ending fire of the Indians. Magnetite can also create these energy currents but that is not the case in my particular location because the lumps here under this place are made of soft granite or diabase stone similar to what would come out of a fissure or tear in the crust. I have been to Magnetite anomaly areas also and also mystery spots where gravity appears messed up. These spots are all related but different.

I've also been to a place where a compass always points to a hill, a friend of mine spent the night out there when we were deer hunting. because he believed his compass. He followed my tracks off that hill back to the road in the morning. I plan on returning to that spot some day to see if I can identify the reason for that spot. I suspect a diamond pipe because of it's strength. It pulls the compass for a quarter mile from the base of the hill. I'm sure this is an old Indian site also. Funny how we are attracted to those spots. Maybe we have internal compasses and it leads us to those kind of anomaly. Both my friend and I were drawn to that hill for some reason, I had many more years experience with the compass so knew something was wrong and looked at the sun to get out of the woods.

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

I was being Sarcastic. I've heard of that theory years ago along with many others. They are only speculation created by the Sciences to try to explain the text. In essence we have no clue what it was that he saw or if it really is real at all. It is possible that something was making flames that Moses could have seen though, but anything anyone thinks up is still speculation.

This energy I speak about is the energy source of Loda, or landslides, and also the source of the energy for quicksand. It can flow through diamond pipes or carbon piles. My particular phenonynom is because of an underground river and possibly a carbon pile created by a never ending fire of the Indians. Magnetite can also create these energy currents but that is not the case in my particular location because the lumps here under this place are made of soft granite or diabase stone similar to what would come out of a fissure or tear in the crust. I have been to Magnetite anomaly areas also and also mystery spots where gravity appears messed up. These spots are all related but different.

I've also been to a place where a compass always points to a hill, a friend of mine spent the night out there when we were deer hunting. because he believed his compass. He followed my tracks off that hill back to the road in the morning. I plan on returning to that spot some day to see if I can identify the reason for that spot. I suspect a diamond pipe because of it's strength. It pulls the compass for a quarter mile from the base of the hill. I'm sure this is an old Indian site also. Funny how we are attracted to those spots. Maybe we have internal compasses and it leads us to those kind of anomaly. Both my friend and I were drawn to that hill for some reason, I had many more years experience with the compass so knew something was wrong and looked at the sun to get out of the woods.

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Interesting but totally unrelated to my post.

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by rickymouse
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Moses and the burning bush. That's energy. The energy is a different kind of energy, probably electromagnetic.

Volcanic gas.

Yes, the Burning Bush theme is interesting and does link to the issues of volcanic and deep Rift zone tectonic plate issues for this area.

The Moses Bush that was not consumed by normal fire can take on the issues of volcanic emissions in the terms for acids, as the underground heat makes for emissions like sulfuric acids and even hydrofluoric acid emissions and both would make for a discription of burning with no fire.

Moses Mtn was a little more special than the straight forward volcano. One can see a lot of photos of Moses old mountain down near Midian in Saudi Arabia and even read the accounts of several that climbed the mountain. Midian had the complex issues of Saudi Oil field issues coupled with the Tectonic movements making deep volcanic effects. But the Moses Mtn shows no signs of basalt emissions or lava flows, so it isn't in the cast for normal volcanic releases. Yet, the Mtn. shows a blackened peak that would be more along the lines of petrochemical releases from the complex underground process there.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

Moses and the burning bush. That's energy. The energy is a different kind of energy, probably electromagnetic.

Volcanic gas.

Yes, the Burning Bush theme is interesting and does link to the issues of volcanic and deep Rift zone tectonic plate issues for this area.

The Moses Bush that was not consumed by normal fire can take on the issues of volcanic emissions in the terms for acids, as the underground heat makes for emissions like sulfuric acids and even hydrofluoric acid emissions and both would make for a discription of burning with no fire.

Moses Mtn was a little more special than the straight forward volcano. One can see a lot of photos of Moses old mountain down near Midian in Saudi Arabia and even read the accounts of several that climbed the mountain. Midian had the complex issues of Saudi Oil field issues coupled with the Tectonic movements making deep volcanic effects. But the Moses Mtn shows no signs of basalt emissions or lava flows, so it isn't in the cast for normal volcanic releases. Yet, the Mtn. shows a blackened peak that would be more along the lines of petrochemical releases from the complex underground process there.

One thing is for certain.....Mt Sinai was a volcano. That much is blatantly obvious once the blinkers come off. One thing that is not certain is where Mt Sinai is located. We were completely out with the Sinai Peninsular and we may still be out with Jebel el Lawz. Too few people have been there and they are not reliable witnesses given their bias and their profiteering. For me, establishing the location is not necessary for the volcano theory. All that is necessary is to read the early OT with volcanoes in mind and the scene will become much clearer. Besides, Mount Sinai was not the only volcano to inspire the Hebrews.

"The LORD came from Mount Sinai and dawned upon us from Mount Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran and came from Meribah-kadesh with flaming fire at his right hand." Deut 33:2

It's strange that Meribah-kadesh is not mentioned in any other translations of that verse. Instead, 'myriad of holy ones' is used, which I always took as little volcanic vents. Is someone trying to leak out information?

bibleatlas.org...

Moses brought water from the rock at Kadesh. Isn't bringing water from a rock one of the key factors in locating Mt Sinai at Jebel el Lawz due to the split rock?

Blackened tops.....in Egypt too....

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

bibleatlas.org...

Moses brought water from the rock at Kadesh. Isn't bringing water from a rock one of the key factors in locating Mt Sinai at Jebel el Lawz due to the split rock?

Blackened tops.....in Egypt too....

I do think the main reason for the Jebel el Lawz in Saudi Arabia is the Bible Narrative calls out Midian, which happens to be in Saudi Arabia. It also happens to be outside Egypt, and the Sinai Peninsula isn't.

The area was investigated by several and the ruins at the bottom show the alter and the columns that support the like issue.

There was also two columns on each side of the Red Sea put there by Soloman that pointed out the crossing site, and this the Moses Mtn. was in Saudi Territory.

Plus, most of the Rift activity is over on the Saudi side.


There are a number of person that climbed Jebel el Lawz and it has no lava evidence, no basalt, but a lot of burned rocks on top. That just means it is not the classical volcano theme, with caldura, lava, and the like. That does not mean that volcanic rifting was not the driving force for what was happening, as the oil presence in the area would be more than enough to cook off volatile vapors that came out of magma chambers deep underground reacting with some smaller oil dome and tar sands effects.

Same sort of thing cooked off asphalt from below the Dead Sea. There are some oil and volcanic rift problems all along that area.

It looked and sounded like a volcano because the magma movements underground caused the deep ground shaking as it cooked off water, oil, tar sands, and this rose out the broken rock of the Mountain at the top as fire and lots of smoke. As some of the boil off became more intense the vented sounded like trumpets from the high pressure jetting.

It is much like your theme for the Burning Bush------as there was no lava there either----just lots of hot and acedic gasses.