The Truth About Nibiru

Originally posted by The GameKeeper
Its as clear as day Excalibur is a paid government shill/troll trying to dissuade people from the truth. I will not reply to any of you soul-sellers trying to twist my words either. I have seen PlanetX clear as day and it is very close as we speak. The problem Mr. XCalibur has is people like ME.

The ultimate proof is here: www.youtube.com...

more proof here - www.youtube.com...

Lastly, here are two videos of mine that show PX/winged disk with a infra red filter. Youll see the winged disk which resembles the white bird on soho images, this is our creator here - www.youtube.com...

and this one is my favorite as it shows the cross(planetx) that the sun dies on.. this is as clear as day people dont listen to these evil-doers trying to covberup what is now exposed - www.youtube.com...

ask yourself, who am I going to believe? The ancients, or our modern day scientists who all signed a secret oath to keep the truth hidden and pledged their soul to Lucifer?

and if what ive shown hasnt convinced you yet.. maybe this video which shows nibiru in almost every major corporate logo will - www.youtube.com...

So Mr Xcalibur Ive challenged your lies and exposed your agenda.. and Im sure that makes your blood boil

How mad are you!!

Doesn't one of your videos show planetX at the bottom of your garden.....in front of the trees??

You need to get out more mate!

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

So you think that picture shows Earth (a planet which apparently has points) surrounded by round stars? Or you just think all of them are stars? If they are all stars why have they used only one large pointy object in the center and why are the ones around it round? If they thought planets were the same thing as stars then they would only need a symbol for the Sun and for the Moon. But if they also thought Earth was different from the stars then they would need a symbol for Earth as well as symbols for the Sun and Moon and the stars. It seems the logic you are using is fatally flawed... what is depicted in the picture is crystal clear you just can't bring yourself to accept it.

Given that the main theme of the cylinder seal is one impressive figure kneeling before an even more impressive figure on a throne, I have always assumed that the central "star" represents the enthroned man's "city state," and the round things surrounding it represent the "cities" that owe fealty to him.

reply to post by canDarian

I dont care what you call it,the sun is alot hotter.And I meen alot. Were talking a minimum 20% increase,so I would like to know where what things could cause that . I assume the Sun is not getting closer,maybe bigger idk.The one thing I do know is that it is getting hotter.

How have you come to that conclusion?.......20% minimum you say?....and you know this!.....how do you know it?

So Earth's temperatures have risen by a minimum of 20% have they?.......get a grip man!

To the OP and all the people dissing Sitchin for one reason or another, how many of you have sat down and read his books? If you haven't then all the armchair experts on the internet that jump from one Nibiru conspiracy to another need to not speak ill of the dead and just shut the front door. How many of you have traveled personally to all the ancient sites and actually done the leg work of research? Can u personally speak/read an ancient language? How many Sumerian artifacts have you personally seen? If you say no to any of those questions then you have no leg to stand on to criticize Sitchin.
As far as Nibiru goes.....I just have a few questions......If a majority of people that have commented on this thread don't believe that Nibiru is real, that its a hoax, made up dream, then why do you go out of your way to try to prove and keep trying to prove how fake and unreal it is? Countless threads on how Sitchin got the translations wrong, there's no history of disasters every 3600 years, no signs of Nibiru, countless lens flare photos and videos all saying how it is not real. WHY? I mean everyone knows what ketchup is and what its made with, right? Are there millions of people debating if it is real or not? Nope. So why go above and beyond the call to constantly state how not real Nibiru is? If there is no substance than why the constant debate, bottom line it should be a dead issue. Perhaps the logic behind all this is that if the lie is repeated enough, eventually everyone will believe it.

No random array of celestial bodies is going to make the incoherent ramblings of a 2000 year old Middle Eastern religious cult come true. Give it up.

Originally posted by Gerizo
To the OP and all the people dissing Sitchin for one reason or another, how many of you have sat down and read his books?

Actually, I read most of his crap standing on the tube.

To the OP and all the people dissing Sitchin for one reason or another, how many of you have sat down and read his books?

You mean his FOURTEEN books? hmmm.. one would almost suspect a money-making agenda. But no, I'm sure he only had mankind's best interests at heart when he wrote all that fiction. I mean wrote all those books.

There is something very important that is always overlooked. Just because an ancient civilization said, inscribed, wrote, cuniformed, pictogramed or chiseled something on their walls, papyrus, tablets or whatever, does NOT mean it's the gospel truth! For some reason, people think that being an ancient civilization somehow imbues them with mystical knowledge that has to be true. Look.. even if they chiseled the sentence "A giant brown planet named Nibiru will fly past our planet in 2028 years and cause great chaos!", wouldn't mean it' TRUE. Just because the Mayans were excellent at mapping out stars and recording the movement of time based on their movement doesn't mean they have secret knowledge of killer brown dwarf suns. Keep in mind they thought that the moon, sun, and stars were deities, not planetary bodies.

I sometimes boggle that people would buy into such horrible research. Because he did some terrible research, and his translation were poor, as acknowledged by actual linguists. But then, I look at something like Scientology, and just shake my head. Our species is simply not out of the woods yet, as far as knowledge and advancement goes. We still believe in fairy tales. People believing in Nibiru to me at least, is akin to our forefathers thinking the world was flat, or that the moon was made out of cheese.

Sorry i haven't really responded to anyone's posts today. I've had a migraine for most of the day and haven't been able to focus. Hopefully I can start replying to stuff tonight but if not i should be able to go through things tomorrow.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Ok. So niburu did not mean planet, but meant crossing or point of crossing. What does this really mean if it's not planet x? They new back then we just don't understand it now. Bridge to where comes every 3600 years? Planet x may be debunked but there is still a mystery in the Sumerian text that ties in with 2012.

What does it really mean?

It really means "a crossing place." Not literally. A place to cross, a stile, a ford, a bridge.

Astronomically, the word came to mean the highest point in the night sky that a planet (Jupiter) reached, because the plane of the ecliptic drifts north and south with the seasons.

In that context, "a crossing place" would mean where the planet "crossed" back and returned south.

There was also a city "Nibiru (Neberu)." It was Enlil's city, IIRC, and it was built at a river "crossing place."

The city's still there today. It used to be called Nippur, now it's called Nuffar:

Nippur (Sumerian: Nibru, often logographically recorded as 𒂗𒆤𒆠, EN.LÍLKI, "Enlil City;"[1] Akkadian: Nibbur) was one of the most ancient of all the Sumerian cities.[citation needed] It was the special seat of the worship of the Sumerian god Enlil, the "Lord Wind," ruler of the cosmos subject to An alone. Nippur was located in modern Nuffar in Afak, Al-Qādisiyyah Governorate, Iraq.

Harte

Originally posted by jough626
They were saying the other planet was in the same orbit as Earth, but always behind the sun, so we can't see it.

how fast would it have to be orbiting to stay opposite the Earth, unless it was the exact same distance as the Earth from the Sun? think about it, that would be a pretty fast orbit and besides the long orbit of Nibiru is what gave the Annunaki a longer lifespan. They even said how they were disoriented from the faster day/night cycle after spending time here on Earth.

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I was thinking the some thing. You pointed out the most valuble/important point in the whole nibiru controversy

reply to post by Gerizo


What if our perception created our reality and some know this. enough people focusing and actually believing in disaster could somehow synchronize events and by plain randomness or chaos if you will, this disaster manifests into our being. So this is why when we have some yelling at the top of they're lungs the sky is falling another will arise who is just as loud to scream the opposite.

Nice thread, I'm pretty sure in the future maybe 2018 everyone will be screaming about the end of the world. Hell they might even start saying it's going to happen in 2013.

reply to post by Wifibrains

what do we know about the sumarians and annunaki?

We know that the sumerians were actually real people, can't say the same thing for annunaki.

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular

Originally posted by lostinspace
Nibiru has another name which is the answer to the riddle.

Speak!

Hold not yer tongue, Knave!

Dang! This thread is still going like wildfire... and ouch for me.

In Knight and Knaves logic puzzles, a person who always lies

en.wikipedia.org...

You can't trust a book by its cover or an ATS thread with a catchy title.

(Back on topic)

He can be traced back to the ancient city of Sippar which is said to have a buried record of the Deluge. He's the calf that ticked off YHWH at Mt. Sinai.

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Quality thread

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Bad News - A Media Fiction (Diplom)

Is it possible that the exclamation of the end of the world is able to provoke the apocalypse? We are inside an american printery for newspaper in the 1950s now. A freshly printed newspaper comes to the fore. The headline proclaims the end of the world and pushes us straight towards the reports of the financial crisis of nowadays at the same time. The illustration of a comet, which is running down to the earth, intensifies the impression of the approaching end. The film asks the question which consequences could be caused by information and news. With regard to the financial crisis, the metaphor is a kind of an exaggerated persiflage: only the message of the apocalypse causes the end of the world – a self-fulfilling prophecy caused by the media! The layout of the newspaper changes during the film parallel to the dramatic of the story. The first reaction releases a visual chaos which develops while the film continues. An information flood takes the audience by surprise. Letters, words, graphics, illustrations, photo collage – the whole design collapses like an avalanche and is getting rebuild in the form of the comet, which is made of terms and graphical material.

Could have been that Nibiru was misinterpreted by Zacharia as a planet and could have meant another thing??

Originally posted by remembering
Ok, you may think that I am crazy but I have a theory of my own. It has been well established that the Sol system is not native to the milky way galaxy but rather comes from the Sagittarius galaxy. Since we were acquired we not only rotate around the galactic center we also move up and down in a sine wave above and below this galactic disk. Now every so often we will pass through the galactic disk. (next time is Dec 2012). Now my idea is that there is a planet or even a dwarf star with at least one planet rotating around the milky way in exact correspondence with our rotation around the galactic center only it does not have the sine wave movement above and below the disk as it is a native to the milky way. This would cause an encounter with us and this other object about every 35000 years at the times that we cross the disk.
I know that I have not had time or resources to confirm this but I think that it is possible.

Your theory isn't crazy. There are lots of scientific reports, data, text and images from prehistory to current studies that suggest there is a planet with the same orbit as earth that isn't always visible.

I don't subscribe to Sitchin or any other group hypothesis, though I do believe there are limitless possibilites of as yet unknown and undiscovered things pertaining to this universe and beyond, chances are, literally and statistically, that current mainstream beliefs are only a fraction of the truth and some of it perhaps even not even close to the truth. Earth is entering a part of the solar system that brings new discoveries and every year new planets, stars, asteroids, galaxies etc are discovered. There is statistically more chance of their being more planets in the solar system than those already known.

An alternative to Sitchen is the work of Oxford scholar N.K. Sandars who gives a lengthy, explanatory and detailed introduction to her version of The Epic of Gilgamesh, relying on Kramer's 1956 English translation of Sumerian texts. Her book was published by Penguin Books in 1960 (my copy is a Penguin Classics paperback, 1972).

The earlier interpretations and translations of Sumerian tablets refer to the gods as a mythological pantheon in the same way that we think of Greek gods (like Zeus) as mythological. There was also the concept of the mythic "underworld" which I suppose is the only thing in common with the Mayans --- the concept of the underworld as a sort of spiritual purgatory.

Here is an interesting excerpt from the introduction by Sandars:

"The gods alone inhabit heaven in the Sumerian and Babylonian universe. Among mortals only one was translated to live forever 'in the distance at the mouth of the rivers', and he, like Enoch who 'walked with God, and he was not, for God took him', lived in the dim past before the flood. Ordinary mortals must go to 'The house where they sit in darkness, where dust is their food and clay their meat, they are clothed like birds with wings for garments, over bolt and door lie dust and silence.' It is a depressing vision of heavy, moping voiceless birds with draggled feathers crouching in the dirt. In this underworld, there also lived the Anunnaki, the nameless 'Great Ones' who once, like Ereshkigal, lived above with the host of heaven, but who through some misdeed were banished to be judges of the underworld, much as Zeus banished the Titans, or like the fallen Lucifer. In Babylonia, the soul of a dead man was exorcized with the incantation: 'Let him go to the setting sun, let him be entrusted to Nedu, the chief gatekeeper of the underworld, that Nedu may keep strong watch over him, may his key close the lock.'"

Another passage from the introduction:

"Enlil, whose city was Nippur (Nibiru?), was the storm and wind, breath and 'the word' of Anu; for according to the hymns in his praise, 'The spirit of the word is Enlil, the spirit of the heart of Anu.' This Enlil is power in action, where Anu is power in being. He is 'the word which stilleth the heaven above', but he is also 'a rushing deluge that troubles the faces of men, a torrent that destroys the bulwarks'. In the Gilgamesh Epic he (Enlil) appears oftenist in his destructive aspect; and beside him Anu is a remote being who lives far away in the firmament, beyond the gate of heaven. In one text, he seems to encourage the journey to the Cedar Mountain, but it is also he who rebukes Gilgamesh and Enkidu for killing its guardian."

So anyway, these earlier scholars didn't have the ET take on the material like Sitchen did. Instead, they treated mentions of the 'gods' as mythic fabrications, which was how the ancient Egyptian gods and Greek gods were thought of --- symbolic of spiritual aspects of the universe, not as literal, real beings. But these interpretations were pre-Van Danikan, so the scholars were not tempted with any ancient aliens theories.

Just throwing this into the discussion so as to point out that Sitchen was not the only scholar to look at, interpret, and translate the Sumerian texts. The first English translations of Sumerian texts date back to Campbell Thompson's of 1928.

I'm not convinced that Sitchen got it right, especially the angle that the ET Anunnaki used DNA manipulation to invent humans. It makes a cool story, but I'm not convinced.

So far, I have seen no scientific evidence of the existence of a planet Nibiru or a brown dwarf Wormwood, or Nemesis. I think there would be at least a few renegade university trained astronomers speaking up if such a dramatic discovery could be made. Someone would want a Nobel Prize for finding and confirming it, wouldn't they?

The conspiracy nut side of me is still very intrigued about this subject because I think it has been indicated in crop circles and I'm a sucker for the most complex crop circles. I don't see how the best crop circles could be manmade overnight without some very advanced technology. Nope, guys with planks on ropes stamping down the crops overnight could not have done it on the ones that are extremely complex and large with perfect symmetry of hundreds of shapes.

So I will stay tuned.

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FYI....science has traced Mitochondrial DNA to the first Eve, and she was living in south africa about 250,000 yrs ago.....
Oddly enough there is evidence of a civilization spanning miuch of the south african continent, that dates back 250,000yrs, and whats more they seemed to be very industriously ....wait for it....mining GOLD......
Who can say whats fact and whats fiction in this human epic.....
The Dogon (a primitive african tribe, Told the white men who first contavted them, about a star we know,,,it was accompanied b another , a dwarf star...which coul not be seen with the naked eye....
The Dogon claim to have had contact with sky people....
I had heard that the Sumerian civilisation was started by a man fish from the stars called Oanes who had to return to the sea each night.
If i am not mistaken the dogon too tell of beings similar. to this...
The central american natives were awaiing the return of red haried gods who taught them their civilisation when the spaniards arrived...who were these strange beings that left and did not return...?
The aborigones of Australia tell of the sky people (wanjinda) that once they had contact with...as well as man pother primitive cutures.....
I highy doubt that all these matter of fact stories are really symbolic of something totally different than what they describe.
Electric Universe theory has the solar system in some great dissarray back a while, but within human racial memory perhaps.....this too could be part reason for the Nibiru belief.....
There is a universal sign used around the world by all cultures that equates to a huge displacement of venus i believe they say....
Point im trying to make is that though the details of Sitchins work may even be bombast and fantasy,
the past has had a very nearly similar event take place.....
Sitchin goes far beyond arguing for a tenth planet...he describes for us a much more turbulent solar sstem, which is backed up somewhat by Elec. Universe theory.......
I an not arguing for Nibiru, per se, but maybe we have other racial memories which we are not
really cognizant of...yet span the turbuent past of our solar sstem....
All one need to do is to look at Mars through a reasonably good telescope, to see that this solar system has had clamaties that have ripped the guts from at least one planet...the one right next to us actually....thats too close for comfort.