How to build Puma Punka and the Pyramids in 21.7 years using only the tech of Ancient Man?

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It's getting unoriginal and annoying to post these Tsoukalos memes any further...

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Actually, there's a guy that built his own stone henge in his back yard and he did it with only levers/pullies. Cannot recall his name, but ill see if I can find the vid.

Originally posted by bearwithredhat
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The only known device that can shift a 10,000 ton block of stone with ease in a single lift is… A ZEPPELIN.

As a basis, I have assumed that the central roadways were not roadways, but, in effect, a shipyard for the construction of Zeppelins, built in hard wood, and filled with hydrogen. The original, late Victorian Zeppelins actually were filled with pig’s bladders filled with hydrogen.

By using the stats for the Hindenburg I scaled up on the basis of the length of the main roadway through Puma Punku (which I believe was a mile long). I substituted the weight of lumber for steel. The lift was lower, but there would have been no passenger section to weigh it down. The result was a Zeppelin with a net lift marginally in excess of 10,000 tons, just great enough to have moved Baalbeck’s biggest stones.

Had a Zeppelin been used it would explain lists of things. Since these would have been dangerous in narrow valleys it would actually would have been easier and safer to built near the tops of mountains and to have used only the biggest stones, rather than having all the loading time of small stones and for greater stability. Also, had a zeppelin got into trouble, one can quite imagine the crew jettisoning a big stone that ends up pointlessl half way up the mountainside below.

This would also explain the positioning of the pramids and megoliths. Using trade winds, these could have voyaged across the Atlantic to Central America then traveled up the eastern seaboard to cross the Atlantic on the way back coming out near north west France and Britain.

Arriving in Britain after a storm crossing, these zeppelins would need a new supply of hydrogen and repairs, hence the magnetized stone circles like Stonehenge. By putting a copper wire bound rota in the centre of Stonehenge turned by horses, Stone henge then becomes a vast alternator, capable of generating electricity that could be used to electorlyse sea, salt or march water to produce…hydrogen. It is interesting to note that in many ancient civiliszations like the Romans and Greeks, the God of the Sea was alaso the God of the horse and in Ancient Britain, the Horse was their God.
To get back to “base camp” at the Great Pyramid, the Zeppelins would need to cross the Alps at the most shallow passes. This would then explain Ley Lines as indeed, it was originally pointed out that they curiously resemble trade routes yet cross mountains as if they are not there.

Most of these Ley Lines come out at places like Delphi which again is built near the clear to of a mountain… and thence on to Egypt. This incidentally, would also explain why parts of Antarctica are mapped, but ONLY the parts which happent o have trade winds.

For the pyramids, I assumed that the Zeppelins might have been pulled by horses on the ground. Assuming two of these Zeppelins, one taking a day to load and one at the other end taking a day to unload, it gave a round trip of one week, and incredibly dropped out the figure of 21.7 years to move all the necessary stones.

Yay! This final fantasy does have an airship!

In all seriousness, if zeppelins were floating all around the ancient skies (assuming they even had the hydrogen on hand) don't you think there would have been at least one reference to them found somewhere? Not just one zep shaped hyroglyph?

Not to mention, if they had such a tech it would have very quickly caught on with the rest of the world. Greeks and Romans would have used it exstenively in the development of their massive empires.

I mean no offense, but your depiction suggests at some point in our history we would have had to take a major step back in the evolution of our technology, which makes absolutly no logical sense...and don't tell me it was some massive flood because noah's ark would have been floating through the air with the rest of us.

Just when I thought theories couldnt get any stranger along comes a mile long zepplin.
You mentioned that the stones on the sides of hills may be there cause they had to push them off to gain altitude. Just how does one push a stone that large and heavy off of a mile long zepplin? You said they didnt use ropes, so it wasnt as simple as cutting a line.

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Wasn't it proved that the pyramids were made of a type of concrete and therefore the stones did
not need moving?
Limbo

Couldnt it be massive manpower? They were busy with a handfull of large structures. Look how many skyscrapers all over the world modern man built in under 100 years.

Explain to me how ancient man could have drilled holes in the rocks at Puma Punku, which i might add are so hard that they can only be drilled into with diamonds. Not only that but the holes are perfect. The distance between everything is precise, and some of the rocks weigh 350 tons. This makes NO sense to me.

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"Manpower"?! Only THE MOST debunked theory of them all!
Modern skyscrapers do not contain 50-ton individual stones at high altitudes! Ancient man had no gigantic cranes!

Thank you, OP, for an original and intriguing theory. Air-lifting would explain much, particularly for South American megaliths (not to mention Nazca).

And I've always wondered why Poseidon was also associated with horses such that sailors sometimes sacrificed horses to him (Wikipedia).

As another asked: What destroyed Puma Punku?

And my question: Why do people think that Puma Punku is, compared to Stonehenge, unkown to the general populace?

There was a post the other day concerning the pyramids that sold me very strongly on the idea that the egyptians did not move stones at all to build the pyramids.. they made a sort of limestone cement..

A professor recreated it using materials and tools readily available at the time of the Egyptians .. with the time it would take for the blocks to cure, it was right within the amount of time it's estimated the pyramids to have been built in the first place..

The professor poured a stack of two blocks on top of each other and it didn't crumble apart like some suggested it would had it been poured.. it also formed a water tight seal between the blocks, just as they are on the pyramids.. the texture and composition of the stone was almost a perfect match as well .. they even looked perfectly natural depending on how much water was added to the mixture.

The whole idea of them mixing an early form of concrete makes a heck of a lot more sense and is completely plausible .. far more so than trying to imagine them cutting out rocks from a quarry and dragging them across the sand or floating them on barges up the nile one at a time.. That would take far more energy, would be far less efficient and would take way more time.. the materials needed to make the cement mixture itself are found AT the sites of the pyramids.. they wouldn't even have to travel other than to get water ..

As for puma punku ( ? ) I can't say if the same thing is plausible because I don't know enough about the stones found and the resources available.

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This is exactly in my bailiwick. The lifting capacity of He (Helium) is 0.068 pounds per cubic foot. H (hydrogen) is 0.071 pounds per cubic foot. So you are suggesting an airship with a capacity of at least 1,062,000.00 cubic feet. The largest ship I have flown was 186,000 cubic feet and was roughly 200' long. You are suggesting a VERY large ship (assuming they had a non-permeable membrane to contain the H, which is another discussion all together).
Plus they would need the ability to make H and capture it. Could you explain how this is done?

Thank you, and Cheers!

You people believe aliens came to the Egyptians aid but ridicule someone who thinks the Egyptians built zeppelins to do it? Amazing!

As with everything on this planet, I don't know what to believe, as nothing is certain anymore, so why bother breaking your head over things like this if not purely for the fun of it? We'll probably never know as evidence isn't going to come dropping from the sky (unless it is, then we'll know).

I'm open to anything for aforementioned reasons.

Also; The fact that someone managed to build Stonehenge without advanced tools, our managed to pour a pyramid instead of building it with blocks, does NOT mean this is the technique that was used back in the days. They are solutions to the problem that we are now capable of finding, nothing more nothing less. Could the Egyptians have known this technique? Possibly. Could they have used it? Possibly. There are no certainties.

And it still doesn't explain the positioning of the buildings etc... Even if they were capable of building them, why were they built exactly like that, why are pyramids all over the planet, etc etc etc

I'm still trying to figure out how one would build a mile long zeppelin with modern materials and not have it fall apart from it's own loads...let alone after strapping a couple hundred tons to the bottom of it.

Complete side...if ancient man could make a 1 mile (5,280 ft) zeppelin, they would have had no issues making levers, pulleys, even cranes, large enough to move the blocks in the first place.

Why would they bother with a zeppelin?

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Ah, Lloyd Pye, that explains it all. It wasn't E.T.s that built these megalithic structures, not as you and i know them. Call them fallen angels because that is what they are. The first wave came in the pre-flood Antediluvian period, they mated with the daughters of men and had hybrid children with some names known throughout history as Gilgamesh and Nimrod. These hybrids were called Nephilim and they were 400-450 feet in height with incalculable strength. The myths of the greek Titans derived from the hybrids. They nearly drove humans to extinction. Northwestern native Americans also have legends of the giants that fed on humans like we were cattle, although these were those hybrids decended from the Nephilim Og who survived the flood by climbing up on Noah's ark. The second generation giants had smaller different tribes that ranged between 13-36 feet in height and warred amoung themselves, the Rephaim, Gibborim and Anakim (Sons of Anak) by which they bred with Canaanite women and is why the Canaanites were exterminated, their bloodlines (DNA) was polluted by those...things.

This is an interesting theory at the very least. S + F for originality

Truth is often stranger than fiction, so I admit that this is a possibility, albeit an unlikely one. I lean more towards the idea that human history is significantly longer and more complex than what is taught in the mainstream. Maybe it involved giant zeps, or maybe they developed a technique for generating lift that we have yet to discover. Electro-magnetism and sound waves both seem like possibilities to me.

Pyramid building civilizations had slave labor, time, money, and drive along with basic lever and pulley tech and log rollers. Not sure what is so mysterious about it. No aliens needed. The pyramid shape was simply the easiest way to build a tall structure to reach for their gods.

To lonewolf...just where are the bodies of these 450' giant men? And whatever would such a large omnivore eat?

In reference to your theory, although plausible, I think there must be more involved here. The "preciseness" of the laying of the stones (both physically and geo-mathematically) suggests someone or something else assisted these civilizations in creating these amazing structures. These photos, for instance, are my case-in-point.




The niches, nooks, 90 degree returns etc would have, imo, meant that the Zeppelin(s) would need to have been very very firmly "made fast" and aligned ever so precisely when they reached their intended destination. Look at the 2nd pic - The vertical cuts appear as if done in-situ, suggesting a means of manipulating the stone sometime after it was put in place.

I don't know - I think we are still missing a piece of the puzzle - don't you?

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Dear Bearwiththeredhat,
Very interesting theory. I only have one question though:

Why are there no records, pictorial or other, of Zeppelins and the use of acid? The Egyptians managed to convey quite a lot about the fabrication of the pyramids but I don't recall anything about gargantuan Zeppelins.

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Originally posted by mutatismutandis

Yay! This final fantasy does have an airship!


INterestingly, FF calls its airships "Gardens" and as I have pointed out both the Bible and the Easter Island stones mythology refer to "MANA" even though they are on the opposite sides of the world.

In all seriousness, if zeppelins were floating all around the ancient skies (assuming they even had the hydrogen on hand) don't you think there would have been at least one reference to them found somewhere? Not just one zep shaped hyroglyph?

Not to mention, if they had such a tech it would have very quickly caught on with the rest of the world. Greeks and Romans would have used it exstenively in the development of their massive empires.

There is strong evidence that the Great Pyramid is way older that believed. Sand erosion causes horizontal striation whilst water (from rain) erosion causes vertical erosion. Thew primary striation on the Great Sphinx is vertical, despite standing in the desert for several thousand years. This would date it to being in the region of 10,000 BC. The era of all these things therefore is about 10,000 BC, rather than 1,000 BC when the Greek swere becoming a major power or 100BC when the ROmans had the clout.

I mean no offense, but your depiction suggests at some point in our history we would have had to take a major step back in the evolution of our technology, which makes absolutly no logical sense...

That is actually KNOWN FACT. Firstly the Dark Ages represented a time when civilization "as we know it" collapsed. There is a time in Britain's history for instance, when all that is written about a period of about 7p0 years is half a sentence in one monk's book.

Likewise, archaeology finds show that shortly after the Trojan Wars, Greece went into spectacular decline with a rolling collapse. One city would be invaded and looted and raped. A few weeks later another would be. Nowadays, looking at it it is pretty clear - the dispossessed starving people from the first village would attack and loot the next village down the road in a dominos style collapse.

and don't tell me it was some massive flood because noah's ark would have been floating through the air with the rest of us.

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...NOW THAT IS RUDE AND IGNORANT, telling me what I can write. Noah's flood plays no part in this and I would not have mentioned it in this whatsoever, but I do find it rude that you should presume this and endeavour to gag me from saying something that in actuality I wasn't going to anyway.

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NONSENSE!!! These are not huge, but TINY compared with the 10,000 TON Baalbeck ones.

Besides which, the concept here is the basic same premise, that it COULD have been done by Ancient Man and that advanced tech was not necessary.