Why you should take your children out of public schooling RIGHT NOW

reply to post by LaEuro


In the USA it is the state of Texas that determines to a large extent what the curriculum is for the rest of the nation. Bilderberg Puppet state (which one isn't?).

I know that sounds strange, but it is true.

When I first saw this I was very excited to see support for homeschooling. But it saddens me that so many people automatically assume that homeschooling ruins a childs social skills. I agree though that homeschooling is not for everybody because not every parent is the same. You don't have to be a genius to educate a child but you do need patience. A lot of parents these days are always looking for ways to keep there child occupied because they are too busy with there own life or simply can't afford to be home. So it depends on your house hold situation how homeschooling will turn out. But homeschooling has been the best thing for our family. We gave public and private school a chance but it didn't work out. My son is happy to be home with his parents and is learning way more than he would in school. Also has lots of time to spend with his friends, YES friends my son has many of them. neighborhood kids, my friends kids, kids in the family, kids at his Karate class etc. More time to draw, clay making, make videos, tend to the garden, go to the library, the park, nature walks, the beach, the zoo, wherever our hearts desire to learn at. I think people should just respect peoples decisions. Also the school system can do better. But then again we are dealing with a new generation of parents, parents who are kids themselves, still clueless, or addicted to Facebook. So like I said homeschooling is not for everyone.

reply to post by cetaphobic


This is utter rubbish.

The situation in the State-run schools is way worse than that at the Public Schools. Most state-run scholls are utter brainwashing camps.

People should be taking their kids OUT of State-Run schools and putting them INTO Public Schools like Eton, Harrow or Sevenoaks.

reply to post by cetaphobic


I was blackmailed by a teacher for something I never did my sophomore year. This teacher knew I was having a hard time in my life but she insisted I tell her my personal problems to gain her pity. This same teacher wouldn't let me redo a project for full credit because I messed up the chapters from a book I was supposed to do it on. It may sound inexcusable to some, and I understand that, but I feel I was robbed of a good grade. I refused to do the project for even partial credit because I wasn't going to give her the satisfaction. This teacher is still teaching and didn't receive any punishment from anybody. Michigan schools have horrible teachers. That's why we do so bad.

Originally posted by bearwithredhat
reply to post by cetaphobic

 

This is utter rubbish.

The situation in the State-run schools is way worse than that at the Public Schools. Most state-run scholls are utter brainwashing camps.

People should be taking their kids OUT of State-Run schools and putting them INTO Public Schools like Eton, Harrow or Sevenoaks.

No idea where you are, but in the US state-run-schools means the same thing as public schools. This is opposed to private schools or charter schools.

I think the parents who take on the task to homeschool are going to do a good job. Most parents use the time kids are in school to work, relax, whatever. My kids drive me nuts in the summertime. Teenagers.

I just retired from public school teaching. First year possible. "No Child Left behind" to administrators means no matter what kind of crazy behavior a kid exhibits he should remain in the classroom.

I was a Woodshop/Computer technology teacher. Some kids were just plain dangerous to themselves and others. I've had students that I had to spend 90% of my time with so they would not create havoc. I'm not talking about accidents. I am talking VERY dangerous intentional behavior that was constantly ignored by admin until I had to take the entire class out of the shop and do "Bookwork" These kids knew the system. They knew there would be no real consequences. Schools don't get funding for students who are not in the classroom. Finally, after almost an entire year sending a student to the office 22 times for dangerous, disruptive behavior, in April one of the administrators told me they had figured out a solution for one of these kids. "If he stays out of trouble all week he gets a reward on Friday"! Good Idea! That will fix him.

My strategy for keeping sane the last 10 years of teaching was to search out schools in excellent economic areas where most of the kids were raised by two fairly well educated parents. The majority of the students were
ok. Still that 5-10 percent of behavior problems took 90 percent of my time. The rest of the kids were often ignored.

"No child left behind" was taken from the Military. "No soldier left behind"

I was also in the US Army. Many did not pass the medical or written test to get in. Some dropped out of boot camp. Some committed egregious acts and were kicked out or sent to prison.

And if we were on a mission to an enemy locale and one of the soldiers was intentionally screwing up the mission not only would he be left behind we may have caused it. But that never happened because they were ALREADY gone.

Leave them behind! Please! Or homeschool them. When they are ready to learn they will learn.

Good luck with that next year!

reply to post by cetaphobic


While some points you make are true, OP, unfortunately, most of the kids are better off being public schooled if the alternative is home schooling by apathetic parents, whose obvious lack of parenting skills has already left a mark on the generation.

I really don't want the average American to take a break from watching Jerry Springer or Oprah, or whatever tier of crap they have acclimated to, to teach the next generation the vast amounts of knowledge they're supposed to have in order to keep the society's wheel turning. Is home schooling bad? No, I don't think so -- but I just don't think American parents are up to it.

In fact, the more I think about it, having Americans home schooled from now on would probably be the beginning of the decline that would result in the society that the movie Idiocracy so humorously depicts.


Khar

Originally posted by Kharron

While some points you make are true, OP, unfortunately, most of the kids are better off being public schooled if the alternative is home schooling by apathetic parents, whose obvious lack of parenting skills has already left a mark on the generation.

I really don't want the average American to take a break from watching Jerry Springer or Oprah, or whatever tier of crap they have acclimated to, to teach the next generation the vast amounts of knowledge they're supposed to have in order to keep the society's wheel turning. Is home schooling bad? No, I don't think so -- but I just don't think American parents are up to it.

In fact, the more I think about it, having Americans home schooled from now on would probably be the beginning of the decline that would result in the society that the movie Idiocracy so humorously depicts.

Khar

Those pathetic parents of whom you speak got that way by being public schooled. Now the situation is self repeating. They are no longer capable of teaching their own kids. Those who are capable could not care less to do so because they are selfish, self absorbed and too materialistic.

Public schooling is a relatively new weapon in the war against the family. The purpose it to get kids away from mom and dad and fill them with ideals (or the lack thereof) that are of use to the state. To destroy the family. To demoralize individuals.

It is done and it is too late to stop the flood.

apres moi le deluge...but it probably will not wait that long

I dropped out of high school as a junior because of some personal matters at home and needing to work immediately. I took some time to finally take the GED, and when I did, and scored a 96, I had an even more hatred towards high school.

The GED is nothing more than 8th grade education. A high school diploma is completely useless. Like a previous poster said...high school is prison.

Exactly, send your kid to a public school so he can turn into those little monsters who were bullying their bus monitor....

THE ILLUMINATI CONTROL PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THEY ARE CREATING DROOLING, DRUGGED OUT ZOMBIES WHO ONLY KNOW HATRED.

reply to post by Numbers33four


I called them apathetic, not pathetic.

I can't judge other parents, as everyone has their style and it may work... but I can notice the general lack of enthusiasm for parenting in this country -- apathy. Not everyone, but many.


Khar

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by manna2

 

Say what you want, but human interaction is needed in my opinion. Keeping your children locked up and away from humanity isn't healthy. Of course you can continue to spew your "facts" about the "filth" of kids these days if you wish.

Social skills aren't needed? Communication isn't needed?

edit on 25-6-2012 by Covertblack because: (no reason given)

I never said they are not needed.
I implied that the social skills in public ed. is closer to social engineering.
They are delivering a bad product when it comes to social interaction.
I ran 100 man construction crews for years and I can tell you it's alot different today than it was 20 years ago.

I wholeheartedly agree with the "convincing 'bored' kids to 'behave' in class by giving them dangerous drugs" part.

One of my best friends who I have known since 1st grade was put on ritalin in 2nd or 3rd grade, which ended up making him "worse" so they put him on a smattering of other things until they hit the peak of Desoxyn (for those who don't know, Desoxyn is pure Methamphetamine) and kept him on that until he was in High School and he refused to take it anymore. Safe to say, it screwed his mental processes over a whoooole lot. Now he has no job, has a c--t of an evil GF who uses him for his money and as a free babysitter (well his parents' money at least, they're on the state board of medicine, and the kid is supposedly his although she told him she was pregnant with it ONE WEEK after they got together...), and has a completely trashed house in a decent part of town.

Long story short, I watched as my friend was destroyed by these "safe" drugs over the course of 12+ years...

Just for the record though, I agree with everything else as well. Public schools are a f'kn joke...

reply to post by cetaphobic


After what I just read about what is going on in Texas- I agree!! Take them out of school! Computers can do all the teaching! In the end, its all about being able to pass tests anyway!!

someone asked on the first page if you had children yourself, i didnt see your reply
if you dont have any children then you seriously need to stfu about it, and if you do then homeschool them or whatever and stop worrying about what the rest of the world wants to do with their children.

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by manna2

 

Say what you want, but human interaction is needed in my opinion. Keeping your children locked up and away from humanity isn't healthy. Of course you can continue to spew your "facts" about the "filth" of kids these days if you wish.

Social skills aren't needed? Communication isn't needed?

edit on 25-6-2012 by Covertblack because: (no reason given)

Kids don't interact and/or socialize when they're in class... unless you count passing notes..

They do when they are on lunch or recess, which is basically play time - which kids being homeschooled would have just as much or more of.

I don't agree that homeschooling leads to malfunctioning adults with respect to social interaction. You could say the same about many kids who go "through the system" - perhaps even more so.

Great OP. You didn't even touch on the gender bias (that I saw anyway), which is ever increasing.
That is a completely different (but wholly related) problem.

Originally posted by Kharron
reply to post by Numbers33four

 

I called them apathetic, not pathetic.

I can't judge other parents, as everyone has their style and it may work... but I can notice the general lack of enthusiasm for parenting in this country -- apathy. Not everyone, but many.


Khar

Sorry for the misquote.

I like my version better.

reply to post by olliemc84
Bet it didn't take you four years to prepare for and pass that GED either, did it?

A year before I entered my particular high school, Hollywood released a movie inspired by it titled Dangerous Minds. While the school wasn't quite as bad as the movie depicted, they got it pretty close. It wasn't uncommon for students to get robbed there! I didn't stay there long - A series of events eventually led to me to self study.... Three weeks worth and I was done. There was no way I was going to waste four years in that place. No thank you. I did miss my friends when I left, however.

I do wonder if they ever got that school sorted out... If a non-genius like myself can do what it takes the public system four years in three weeks... Why the heck shouldn't anyone else? Public schools will never be an efficient method of learning, but they are a great time sink.

Originally posted by Covertblack
I agree with a lot of your points. The only caveat I would put forth is that home school kids need to be immersed with others their age. I can't tell you how many home schooled kids I have met with poor social skills. Later on in life some of these poor kids grow up and have no idea how to act around others. So barring that I agree.

I too went to school in Michigan, and to be honest it wasn't all that bad for me. Not trying to say it's the same for all.

edit on 25-6-2012 by Covertblack because: (no reason given)

Socialization is many parents' primary concern when considering home school.

But the socialization in public school is completely artificial and doesn't mimic "the real world" in any way, shape or form. At what other time in his life will your child work with 29 other individuals who are all his own age? honestly, a one-room-school would be a better preparation for a modern work environment, where you are employed alongside people of wildly varying ages and backgrounds...

Secondly, public school does a piss-poor job of socializing children. They follow the exact same model found in medium security prisons: the strongest individuals who have been institutionalized the longest form competing cliques from which they dictate the social order, crushing the will of any loner or rebel who speaks up or otherwise fails to conform.

Without the hours of homework to fill his afternoon, your child can join a host of organizations that teach civic virtues, from B'nai Brith to the Boyscouts. Many of these non-state-controlled bodies instill character and teach important life lessons and values. Programs like 4 H give specialized instruction, that public-school kids frankly don't have time for.

In most medium to large cities, you can find a homeschool association that hosts field-trips to museums and zoos, provides and rates competing curricula, and even helps prepare children to take any state-mandated tests.

In all honesty, speaking as a parent involved in homeschooling, your biggest headache may be your local public school---they will try to intimidate you into "coming back," because they lose federal dollars every time a child leaves their system, and there is a steady flow of kids out of the system already.

There are a number of national and local groups that can help. Most important is the Home School Legal Defense Association, which can help you find a lawyer if you live in a state where homeschoolers are harrased by school board officials.

My kids have all had some variety of homeschool. Some state education departments have actually become supporters of homeschool. In Oklahoma, their state's department determined that a child in public school only gets ELEVEN hours of actual instruction per week, and that the other 24 hours are filled with basically "standing in line and attending pep rallies." The document I read by the Oklahoma Education authority said that they thought most homeschool parents were not particularly astute educators, but that the kids easily made up for it because practically every kid got well over 11 hours of instruction per week, and easily achieved the 85th percentile, even without special assistance from "professional educators." That report went on to note that so many teachers hold only a "provisional certificate" that most college educated parents had as much schooling as many of the teachers refered to as experts by the unions.

I will never send my daughter to public school. She's never set foot inside of one. I'm sure that there are good teachers who care about children, but that's not tempting enough for me to put my child into the system.