Egypt's New President: Our Capital 'Shall Be Jerusalem, Allah Willing'

Originally posted by neo96

Yes, all the time; all zionist leaders throughout the last century laid claim to the entirety of Palestine.

Really?

"Zionist leaders" by that if you mean Jordan and Saudi Arabia who has stolen Palestinian lands.

Right always nothing ever said about them stealing their land it is always,always evil Isreal.

Meh

Well now.

Don't bring History into the subject !

Wouldnt want to offend ANYONE with an agenda,or axe to grind..........

reply to post by sonnny1


History most certainly repeats itself just like Germany got knocked down twice only to have a 60 years of US presence.

The west has been in the middle east for over 100 years and still is messed up as it has ever been.

Originally posted by artnut
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

Seriously? Of course domestic violence goes on in America, no one is disputing this.

Great you know this so by your logic, Christian American men beat the living day lights out of women to get them to do what they want.

You do know if your "Christian" husband beats you in America that you can actually go to the police for help, right?

Same thing in Egypt. If a man beats his wife she can report to the police, her family and then divorce him instantly.

I know someone personally who had this happen to her, but, he was no "Christian". Police were awesome by the way, she had her day in court. Do you think most women in Egypt or Saudi Arabia have their justice or day in court?

No doubt that lady was very lucky but we only have your word on that. The abuse of women in the US is phenomenal. In or out of marriage, American society devastates women on so many levels. I read somewhere that there is a woman is raped every two minutes in the US. And what about women in the military; rape is an occupational hazard.

We are talking about Egypt and you mention Saudi. So if you are going to play fast and loose with discourse, then let us look at the international sex slave trade. The biggest importers of sex slaves to the prostitution industry in the world are all Christian, Western and 'liberated' societies such as the US.

Most Muslims I know are outraged by the ill treatment of women and when people like you level accusations at Muslim, I think you are hypocrites.

Wondering, though... Why did you bring "Christianity" into this. No one said anything about Christianity.

Google is your friend

I don't like that expression because it is a dumb meme.

go look at the horrible beating on video in Eygypt were that poor woman was stomped on during these political protests. If you think the Muslim Brotherhood will do much about them, I suggest you research their ideology a bit more.

Did it really happen or is it more anti Egyptian garbage meant to discredit the Brotherhood for something they had nothing to do with?

Yeah

Wasn't it Egyptians who tried to make it a law to have sex with their dead wives?

Not to mention when rape the victims needs to provide 5 witnesses.

Seriously?

Christianity vs Islam?

Devolved the conversation to my religion is better than theirs

Meh

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by artnut

 

Maybe you should do the same. A picture is worth a thousand words.



Women stand amongst men as supporters of Muslim Brotherhood's presidential candidate Mohamed Morsy celebrate his victory of the election at Tahrir Square in Cairo June 24, 2012. Islamist Mohamed Morsy was declared Egypt's first freely elected president
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Actually an equal number of Egyptian women as men voted for the Brotherhood and this is why they won the election despite what the military wanted.

The Brotherhood are a political party founded on Muslim principles. Egyptian women are Muslims and they husbands and son who are Muslims.

Claiming that Egyptian women are against the Brotherhood because of its Islamic principles is an attempt by the zionist media to discredit a lawfully elected government of a nation that you, the US and Israel have no business meddling with or insulting.

You will have to learn to lump it hard on this matter.

I did not "lump" anything. I researched the Muslim Brotherhood. Mohamid Mursi is a strict Islamist. I have no idea why Muslim women would vote for him. But it does appear to me based on the op's article (which is the point of this thread), that a woman was beaten to death trying to vote for the opponent. That says to me that perhaps as a woman in Egypt, it is not always advisable to vote for who you might want, not your husbands choice. I have no desire to argue with you, and quite frankly, don't want our troops anywhere near the middle east. There is, and has been , plenty of conflict there even without our involvement.

What? Who are these "Palestinians" you refer to? The Roman called the Jews Palestinians, did you know that? Check your history books...any non-moslem history book, that is.

Was Yassar Arafat Palestinan?

No--he was Egyptian.....most all of the so-caled Palestinain leaders are either from Jordan or Egypt....

Before colonial Brits handed Israel in 1949, they made sure that plenty of Arabs were moved into the area...from Syria, Jordan, Egypty..,.These are today's "Palestnians."

Originally posted by neo96

Yes, all the time; all zionist leaders throughout the last century laid claim to the entirety of Palestine.

Really?

"Zionist leaders" by that if you mean Jordan and Saudi Arabia who has stolen Palestinian lands.

Right always nothing ever said about them stealing their land it is always,always evil Isreal.

Meh

We all know about the colonialist British Mandate. They also occupied Egypt so you can paint that blue but does that mean the Egypt too belongs to Europeans who happen to be Jews?

Enough is really Enough. You Christian and Jewish Caucasians need to get out of the Middle East and take your racist and slanderous ways with you. They are tired of the West.

Since Christianity, Islam and the Hebrew religion all were created by the sons of Abraham, then why can't we be brothers with our brethren in the Middle East and why can't they be brothers with us? We are all family, so what asshole started the war between our religions? That's what needs to be figured out! We should have been a close knit family exploring the stars by now, but instead we are banging our heads against the wall over a war against our brothers that should never have taken place! Wake the # up WORLD and open your #ing eyes and mind for just once!
sons of Abraham:jandyongenesis.blogspot.com...

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It's not like the Brits bulldozed homes and kicked people out cause they werent a certain race oops I mean religion

Not to mention after getting Israel the Jews bombed the king David hotel to drive the British out..

Originally posted by ATSGrunt
Since Christianity, Islam and the Hebrew religion all were created by the sons of Abraham, then why can't we be brothers with our brethren in the Middle East and why can't they be brothers with us? We are all family, so what asshole started the war between our religions? That's what needs to be figured out! We should have been a close knit family exploring the stars by now, but instead we are banging our heads against the wall over a war against our brothers that should never have taken place! Wake the # up WORLD and open your #ing eyes and mind for just once!
sons of Abraham:jandyongenesis.blogspot.com...

edit on 24-6-2012 by ATSGrunt because: (no reason given)

The Satanist, Zionist etc They but us back to back brother

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Yo if that is the way you want to have it then how bout all the middle eastern muslims the millions of them get the hell out of the west.

What?

Have a problem with that?

Two way street there.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady

Originally posted by artnut
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

Seriously? Of course domestic violence goes on in America, no one is disputing this.

Great you know this so by your logic, Christian American men beat the living day lights out of women to get them to do what they want.

You do know if your "Christian" husband beats you in America that you can actually go to the police for help, right?

Same thing in Egypt. If a man beats his wife she can report to the police, her family and then divorce him instantly.

I know someone personally who had this happen to her, but, he was no "Christian". Police were awesome by the way, she had her day in court. Do you think most women in Egypt or Saudi Arabia have their justice or day in court?

No doubt that lady was very lucky but we only have your word on that. The abuse of women in the US is phenomenal. In or out of marriage, American society devastates women on so many levels. I read somewhere that there is a woman is raped every two minutes in the US. And what about women in the military; rape is an occupational hazard.

We are talking about Egypt and you mention Saudi. So if you are going to play fast and loose with discourse, then let us look at the international sex slave trade. The biggest importers of sex slaves to the prostitution industry in the world are all Christian, Western and 'liberated' societies such as the US.

Most Muslims I know are outraged by the ill treatment of women and when creatures like you level accusations at Muslim, I think you are hypocrites.

Wondering, though... Why did you bring "Christianity" into this. No one said anything about Christianity.

Google is your friend

I don't like that expression because it is a dumb meme.

go look at the horrible beating on video in Eygypt were that poor woman was stomped on during these political protests. If you think the Muslim Brotherhood will do much about them, I suggest you research their ideology a bit more.

Did it really happen or is it more anti Egyptian garbage meant to discredit the Brotherhood for something they had nothing to do with?

As soon as you called me a "creature", you lost me. I could go on all day about this, but I won't. And not because I took a "hard lump", but simply because you seem to think that everything that is shown to be negative about Egypt's situation made up, or "CIA". Obviously you think everything is great in Egypt, and there are no problems and won't be with this new president. Your entitled to your opinion of course. But I am done discussing this with you.

Originally posted by artnut

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by artnut

 

Yep you're right, we have plenty of our own b.s. to go around in this country, can't deny that. But the thread is about discussing a new president who with all appearances, is going follow stricter islamic practice, including, Isreal bashing. Someone in his cabinet made this speech. He does not appear ready to make reforms in the interest of peace, or , peoples rights irrespective of Islam. I am not messing with anybody, nor do I want war with anyone in the middle east. As a matter of fact, I want our soldiers home, you can't change that part of the world, there will always be war and violence whether we are there are not.

But, hey, I live in a free country, and have the right to discuss this subject on this forum, and I feel for the women of Eygypt, I guess you don't.

The people I feel worst for are all of those who just happen to live in a country for which the US and Israel have preselected the government they feel will be most useful to the US and Israel and screw the people of those countries ~ man, woman or child. I guess that would cover at least all of the third world countries in the world. That's why there are always wars, sometimes those bought out puppets don't stay bought enough.

But one of the major issues the west has its shorts in a bind over on this election is Morsi's position on 9/11.

www.washingtontimes.com...
Egypt’s likely next president has long called for the U.S. to hold a “scientific conference” to determine the real culprits of the Sept. 11 attacks, having cast doubt on al Qaeda’s role in 9/11 for years.

“The U.S. administration has never presented any evidences on the identity of those who committed that incident,” longtime Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed Morsi is quoted as saying in a 2007 posting on Ikhwanweb, the Islamist group’s official English website.

Now THAT is heresy of the highest magnitude.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

Yo if that is the way you want to have it then how bout all the middle eastern muslims the millions of them get the hell out of the west.

What?

Have a problem with that?

Two way street there.

edit on 24-6-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

What Middle Eastern Muslim millions in the West? I don't think there are that many in the West.

The only large population of Middle Eastern Muslims in the West are Algerians in France. You forget that Algeria was a 'department'/state of France and Algerians were French citizens as a result.

Unlike Americans and Zionists, these Middle Easterners are not invading or a hegemonic force. They are citizens of post colonial states.

In contrast, the Christian West brought satanic violence and exploitation to the Middle East.


It is not a two way street because you haven't had payback.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by sonnny1

 

History most certainly repeats itself just like Germany got knocked down twice only to have a 60 years of US presence.

The west has been in the middle east for over 100 years and still is messed up as it has ever been.

edit on 24-6-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

And now you understand the prophets.

So they fought for the right to choose and the freedom to elect their leaders and government.... They do know that was the last election they will ever have .... With Allah's blessing no doubt.

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I really can't comment too much on the 911 thing, I am on the fence with that one, undecided. I won't even try to pretend that our government has not and continues to do some pretty horrible things, but I am really hoping 911 was not one of them.

What I guess I am trying to say, is that war has been fought over everything imaginable, from religion, to land, women, etc,and, the middle east has it's share of conquering in it's history as well. I am following this closely because I am trying to understand why this administration endorsed the Muslim Brotherhood. They are aware of the radical nature of the organization, what is the true agenda here? That is why I am following the situation over there, not because I actually want our involvement in their business. We could argue about who is really entitled to Isreal all day long, but, I don't know if there is a clear answer.

reply to post by ATSGrunt

Since Christianity, Islam and the Hebrew religion all were created by the sons of Abraham, then why can't we be brothers with our brethren in the Middle East and why can't they be brothers with us?

Good question. The problem apparently came from the outside, as it often does, and it insinuates itself almost seamlessly into the inner workings of a culture until it pushes out the old culture and becomes the culture.

The Thirteenth Tribe:
198.62.75.1...

The "clash of civilizations" agenda is moving forward. It is extremely important for the west and Israel to get Islamists into power.

Central to the mythos of the war on terror is the political independence of the Islamic world. But, as I and others have pointed out on many occasions, the Islamic Ummah is coming into political being because it is a goal of the ruling elites of both the Western world and the Islamic world to have a clash of civilizations. Secular, democratic, and liberal forces in the Islamic world have been marginalized and destroyed in our era. This is what happened in Iran in 1979, and the same model of political change has been repeated in Egypt, Libya, and Syria in 2011-2012. And none of this is by accident or chance. The political destinies of these societies are being directed by anti-democratic and anti-peace forces that want to see Islamic civilization at odds with the West for the foreseeable future. The Daily Bell explained why this is happening on January 25, 2012: "The elites need war and we've noted many times that the countries they've destabilized in Africa and the Middle East are mostly secular ones – and the replacements are bound to be Islamic. Thus, we can see the formation of a kind of Islamic crescent that can only increase world tensions should the Anglosphere elites and their bought-and-paid-for mainstream media wish to position these increasingly Islamic regimes as part of a unified Western opposition.

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reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

What Middle Eastern Muslim millions in the West? I don't think there are that many in the West.

First mistake, second mistake is replying to someone who has little patience when it comes to bigotry:


Enough is really Enough. You Christian and Jewish Caucasians need to get out of the Middle East and take your racist and slanderous ways with you. They are tired of the West


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