The Illuminati Delusion.

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by boncho

 

Well, my post 2 levels up ^ there, explains the illuminati situation rather nicely, what's the point in going round in circles?

Also, you *cant* just can the elite Bilderburg, what about the Pilgrims society, the Club of rome, the Skull and Bones, the SMOM, the Opus Dei, the 1001 club, the CFR, Trilateral Commision, the Rhodes society, the Masons (Scottish, York etc.), the Oxford Order, The Vatican, the House Of Rothchild...

The list goes on and on... And on.. And on..

Its foolish to try and point to one as being the elite, instead why don't we just generalise them, for conversations sake, I know! We could call them the Illuminati!

They're different from the Bavarian Illuminati, but at least we can describe them in a word with having to describe them in essays!

Aye?

The elites, i would term as those who travel from all areas of the globe to meet and discuss. Such as the Bilderberg group and the attendance at Bohemian Grove.

Why not just call them all secret societies, since that is what they are. because calling them the Illuminati is still wrong.

Originally posted by Sinny
Ohh and as I don't know whether you from England or not, simples.com is a catch phrase from an advert over here.

edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)

Australia

I wasn't aware of that. Even still, it's worse on you because the information you provided was wrong.

Talking of the media, and subliminal messages, and brainwashing... You *cannot* deny that it *is* there.

reply to post by Sinny


This is an all to common statement I see being made, yet, I never see any proof of this. I think that what is happening is that people WANT to see what they want to see.

So if they believe there is a "false flag" from the "illuminati" during the olympic games, or that the illuminati is putting fluoride in our chocolate bars, etc etc.

I for one do not believe there is any group that controls it all. Sure big corporations excersize pressure on goverments, lining their own pockets, but they don't give a crap about the ordinary man on the street. So why should they even bother releasing sublimanal messages in movies, ads, music videos etcetera!?

Its an absurd notion, by some people to assume this. It leads to dellusional thoughts and paranoia.

vvv

I also find it coincidental that we are discussing this, when the Elector of Bavaria issued edicts to suppress the Bavarian Illuminati today, 228 years ago (which effectively led to their demise a short couple of years later).

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

So if they believe there is a "false flag" from the "illuminati" during the olympic games, or that the illuminati is putting fluoride in our chocolate bars, etc etc.

Thank you for putting the two most irritating words on ATS in one sentence.

reply to post by boncho


No problem mate!!

I aim to please. Those two words have really become so absurd.

Lately everything is a freaking "false flag" operation.

Oh, Macdonalds ran out of ketchup, "Zomg, its a false flag operation!!"

So ridiculous.

vvv

Wonder where she went? i bet you's she is researching

reply to post by boncho


My point exactly. About calling the elite, the elite btw, if most people choose to call them illuminati, its completely their choice.

Oh and I was posting on an ATS regent thread

My infomation on the Bavarian illuminati is correct, and yes, they were outed in Bavaria, they moved undergroud. Dur.

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by boncho

 

My point exactly.

So why do you call them the illuminati?

To be honest, I don't know why people even discuss elitists unless they have enough insight to call them buy name specifically anyways. That is the real problem. There are decent people of elite status that are not trying to destroy the world with their own selfish ignorant behaviour.

By lumping them altogether, you are really no better than someone who lumps race and creed together.

reply to post by boncho


*I* don't. All your posts about me have been based on unfounded assumpions, I personally refer to them as the elite in general, or ill be more spcific if I know what group the people in question belong to, I'm merely defending those who wish to call them the illuminati.

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by boncho

 

*I* don't. All your posts about me have been based on unfounded assumpions, I personally refer to them as the elite in general, or ill be more spcific if I know what group the people in question belong to, I'm merely defending those who wish to call them the illuminati.

Then you may as well call them that yourself because you support ignorance.

reply to post by boncho


And you define ignorance

Originally posted by Sinny
My infomation on the Bavarian illuminati is correct, and yes, they were outed in Bavaria, they moved undergroud. Dur.

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No, your information was incorrect:

Page 2:

The term was originated from a group called Bavarian Illuminati, that was created in Germany by Adam Weishaupt, in 1776, the groups main goal was world domination, and the dismantling of all sovereign states and monarchies, history tells us they joined the ranks of Freemasons in 1777, and have hardley been heard of since.

Weishaupt, 1776 - correct

Goals of world domination etc - Incorrect

Joined Freemason in 1777
(one year after creation) - Incorrect, the Illuminati were their own entity until at least 1790 when it fell apart.

reply to post by daaskapital


What? I know the illuminati was a seperate organisation, it was formed in 1776 after his society of "perfectibilists".. In 1777 he joined the Freemason lodge Theodore of Good Council.

Talking of Theodore, it was Karl Theodore who outed the Illuminati in 1784.

Take a history lesson will you. I suggest you read the works of Carrol Quigley, Anthony Sutton, and John Robinson.

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by daaskapital

 

What? I know the illuminati was a seperate organisation, it was formed in 1776 after his society of "perfectibilists".. In 1777 he joined the Freemason lodge Theodore of Good Council.

Talking of Theodore, it was Karl Theodore who outed the Illuminati in 1784.

Take a history lesson will you. I suggest you read the works of Carrol Quigley, Anthony Sutton, and John Robinson.

edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)

history tells us they joined the ranks of Freemasons in 1777.

This quote tells me that you were talking about the Illuminati in general, not Adam Weishaupt. I am well aware that Weishaupt was a part of the Freemasons. He was apart of them before creating the Illuminati also. It is what the Illuminati was based upon.

I do not need a history lesson.

If you are willing, you can read the Illuminati thread i created in my signature. Tell me if that is historically correct to your outlandish standards of elitists and world domination

reply to post by daaskapital


My outlandish standards of elites? That doesn't even make sense, illuminati was *not* created or inspired from freemasonry, if it was inspired from anything it was the Jesuits.

I sharnt waste my time reading your thread, I'm in the middle of creating my own, that is taking many months of research.

Not my fault your thick.


Okay okay, curiosity got the better of me and I read your thread, it offered very little infomation, wikipedia could tell you the same, you also stated he joined the freemason in 1777, so I don't understand why you said I was false in stating that the first time round?

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by daaskapital

 

My outlandish standards of elites? That doesn't even make sense, illuminati was *not* created or inspired from freemasonry, if it was inspired from anything it was the Jesuits.

I sharnt waste my time reading your thread, I'm in the middle of creating my own, that is taking many months of research.

Not my fault your thick.

edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)

Now we go with the attacks.

You stated plenty of times that the Illuminati were elitists, which the majority weren't.

Even though Adam Weishaupt was taught under the Jesuits, many inspirations from Freemasonry were carried over to the Illuminati. As i stated, Weishaupt was apart of the Freemasons for a while before starting the Illuminati. Obviously, rituals and traditions would have been imported (for example, helping your fellow man).

I do not care if you don't want to read my thread, i just hope you don't used stupid crap as sources for your's.

Originally posted by Sinny
Okay okay, curiosity got the better of me and I read your thread, it offered very little infomation, wikipedia could tell you the same, you also stated he joined the freemason in 1777, so I don't understand why you said I was false in stating that the first time round?

edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)

Okay, thank you for the reply. Yes, it wasn't too in depth, i could have done much better, and i am thinking of doing a big one.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source however. I used reliable sources.

In talking about the Illuminati you stated:

the groups main goal was world domination, and the dismantling of all sovereign states and monarchies, history tells us they joined the ranks of Freemasons in 1777, and have hardley been heard of since.

Again, this tells me that the Illuminati formed with the Masons, not Weishaupt. You needed to make that clearer for the uneducated reader.

reply to post by daaskapital


Sorry, on my planet a stickyout tounge usually indiactes banter not an attack, oh and I did read your thread, check my edit, my sources seem more credible than the 3 or so websites you referenced, I on the other hand will be referenceing Carrol Quigly (1910-1977, American historian, Harvard graduate, consultant to the DoD, the Navy, and commitee of Aeronautics and Space exploration, he taught at Goergetown university, and was praised by Bill Clinton for being a personal inspiration, he wrote the book Anglo-American Establishment, wrote in 1949, published in 1981)

And John Robinson (a Freemason and professor at Edinburgh university, who was offered a place within the illuminati, and he turned it down, he went on to write the book "proofs of a conspiracy" in 1798, in which he condemned the illuminati and revealed their true purpose)