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Originally posted by switching yard
Look at the images (only) on today's (23 June 2012) BBC News website...
www.bbc.co.uk...
Do you see a lot of planet shapes? Could this be some form of subtle occult messaging in the media?
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by flyswatter
Look at some of what those guys do. The talent lies not in the physical making of the circle itself, but in the planning of the designs. It shows that us lowly humans DO in fact have the capability to make some very intricate designs of that sort.
Yes, they have a computer generated image of an ET generated crop circle. All that proves is that they can make a CGI of a real ET crop circle. Let me know when there is a video of them putting down this image in a field that matches the original and I will concede the point the humans are capable of making as complex crop circles that ET's can.
I know some basic auto cad, I'm quite sure the hard part would be laying it down and not the computer AIDED design. I believe this is the one they copied you are referring to? You really think designing with a computer would be easier than laying it out in the field - without a single track?
Courtesy Temporary Temples
Originally posted by flyswatter
If you are speaking only of this design, then it appears that you have only clicked on the link and looked at the opening page. If you look above that, there are links to videos, pictures, and a boatload of other material related to what these guys do. Plenty enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these guys absolutely capable of creating pretty much any crop circle design that has ever been seen.
Then again, you could prove me wrong - all you'd have to do is find a crop circle design that they admit they are not capable of doing, not capable of explaining how it was done, or not capable of explaining who did it.
Creating a circle in a crop - easy as pie. Creating a bunch of circles in a pattern - same. What do you see as the immense difficulty those, anyway?
Originally posted by EddyR3
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
I was questioning your opinion, which i may add was on topic.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
It would seem to me that if ET's were to come here and leave a message for us, they would use other methods besides making plants in a field flat.
Why not a hologram in the sky that can be seen by millions?
Why not carve the same "circles' in the side of a cliff or mountain face overnight?
Why not grab a lot of asteroids, put them in geosynchronous orbit around the earth so that they face us in a complex geometric pattern? Again, over night, so that the sun light reflecting off of them could be seen by 1/2 the world, or put it in a closer stable orbit so that it's path takes it around the world, so now it's seen by the entire world.
Why not carve a very large message on the face of the moon for all the world to see?
Considering the level of technology and amount of energy (a tremendous amount) to get from one star to another, they should be able to do any one of these with ease, and it not something that any human being on our planet could replicate, not over night.
There would be no doubt then at all.
Leaving a message by flattening plants in a field has to be one of the least efficient and most unreliable ways to convey a message.
But it is something that humans can do, and they can do it over night.
Originally posted by switching yard
About the BBC News front page today, I can only make speculative comments, but it is fun to do...
First of all, "Queen's Diamond Jubilee" is in the "Magazine" link bar. We've had so many 'omens' this year that it is a special year. Solar eclipse, annular eclipse, lunar eclipse, transit of venus, just had the summer solstice and Queen's Diamond Jubilee and on and on. Some theorize that the Annunaki left controllers on Earth and they have kept a 'blue blood' covenant (Annunaki bloodline). Over the years, the controllers have been practicing what they call "the divine right of kings." Legend has it that the Annunaki manipulated DNA to make a slave race (humans). Doesn't sound very benevolent to me. Some say the vast majority of humans are still enslaved (wage slaves, repressive laws, etc). So, although the Queen's Jubilee has been officially over for some time now, they still have the link up. "Sir Paul" (the real one died in 1966) headlined the pop music celebration and did his usual Live and Let Die, screaming the word "hell" and spewing fire and brimstone fireworks. Some would theorize that that was Luciferian or Satanic or some other occult thing.
We have "Greek goodbyes" with a planet shape in the visual. We have the boxing photo (see YouTube series: "Paul is Dead at the End of the World." We have a landscape photo of Egypt (need I say more?). We have rainbow colors in "Straight laced" --- rainbow symbolizes Lucifer. We have the headline "Nervous wait". We have "nightmare" (Turing story). We have the Dali theft story (see painting via the link --- ghoulish). Rio story: "warning". Romney "throwing stones". We have "Clear up begins after flooding". "Rise in... whistleblowers".
"Week in pictures" --- sunrise visual. "Day in pictures" --- red ball being kicked. "Special reports" --- visual of winged things."From BBC Future" --- Asteroid visual, bite out of Apple, "Finland's summer feast" --- an iron planet spewing red oxide particles? And we end with my favorite --- the gas giant (Jupiter, for example, is a gas giant.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by flyswatter
If you are speaking only of this design, then it appears that you have only clicked on the link and looked at the opening page. If you look above that, there are links to videos, pictures, and a boatload of other material related to what these guys do. Plenty enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these guys absolutely capable of creating pretty much any crop circle design that has ever been seen.
Then again, you could prove me wrong - all you'd have to do is find a crop circle design that they admit they are not capable of doing, not capable of explaining how it was done, or not capable of explaining who did it.
Creating a circle in a crop - easy as pie. Creating a bunch of circles in a pattern - same. What do you see as the immense difficulty those, anyway?
I don't doubt these guys can copy any design they see on a field, but I doubt they have the ability to lay the most complex ones down.
Why? Well, that's a good question. You said before people are able to discern the difference - I think many people are and it's pretty obvious. The post which you were referring to contains a human made one in the middle and the ET made ones on the top and below it, the human made one is crude and simple, where the ET made ones are quite complex. Again, show me video of humans making the complex ones and I'll believe humans are capable.
Here are two simple human ones and two cool ET ones, you can't tell the difference?
Courtesy Temporary Temples
Originally posted by switching yard
I learned about occult symbols through PID (Paul is Dead) research on YouTube and PID forum websites. I'm not 100% sure the original Paul died, but there were definitely doubles used. Apparently, according to a great many PID theorists, the Beatles used a lot of occult symbols in their songs, movies, and album covers. This fellow "Sir Paul" (of which there may be multiple doubles) has been the most prolific occult symbol messenger during his solo years. Just go to the PID forums and you can easily tap into the occult angle. It's all there by the ton.
One of the most recent new theories showing up on the PID forums is that the Beatles, back in the 1960s, were given the whole Nibiru story and more importantly, how it relates to the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, and pretty much every secret society you could name and some you can't name because of ultra-secrecy. Anyway, the latest theory is that the Beatles made references to the Nibiru legend in their songs, knowing that only people in the know would understand those references. This continued even more intensively in the solo years of the group members. The PID research is very fascinating. Those of us who follow it know that there is a hidden, untold story behind the group. IF it is true that they were putting references to Nibiru in their work, that actually makes sense on a very esoteric, strange level.
Here's just one example (there are many others): the song, The Long and Winding Road. If you listen to that song or read the lyrics while thinking that the long road is the long orbit of Nibiru and that when Nibiru is nearest us, there is not only danger but some kind of wondrous enlightenment or divine spirituality and then Nibiru leaves Earth alone again, well then the lyrics kind of make more sense than we ever thought before. Imagine that in the lyrics, the word "I" means the whole planet Earth. "You" and "Your" mean Nibiru. Check it out...
The long and winding road that leads to your door
Will never disappear, I've seen that road before
It always leads me here, lead me to your door.
The wild and windy night that the rain washed away,
Has left a pool of tears crying for the day.
Why leave me standing here, let me know the way.
Many times I've been alone and many times I've cried,
Anyway you'll never know the many ways I've tried, but
Still they lead me back to the long and winding road,
You left me standing here a long, long time ago.
Don't leave me waiting here, lead me to your door.
Also, according to some PID theorists, visual clues about Nibiru are embedded in the films of Stanley Kubrick, if you know what to look for.
Not saying I believe all of this, but it is very fascinating to me.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
You are assuming that they have some sort of "non-interference" rules that they have to abide by. Where is your proof of this?
Well placed geometrically grouped asteroids can be placed in orbit without interfering with any of our satellites or "smashing into them" as you put it.
If they wanted to communicate, they would do it in a efficient manner. Destroying crops is not very efficient,
Better yet: why communicate in this way at all? One would think that at their level of technology they could easily broadcast a message on all RF bands in every single known language known on Earth, from a position located quite deep in space, well away from anything that we have in that direction. Doing it that way, and everyone on this planet that has a receiver would hear the message (that way there is no "cover up")
People here get upset and worked up over skeptics and debunkers, basically almost shouting at us how we need to believe in these aliens.
Can no one see the irony in this line of thinking? They are so much more advanced than us, yet can't even follow their own rules?
Please show me a tape of humans creating the uber-complicated circles, like the ones I have posted below, not the simple "one large circle with some patterns" type, until that time no one can definitively say who or what is making the complicated ones with tens or dozens of circles.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by eriktheawful
You are assuming that they have some sort of "non-interference" rules that they have to abide by. Where is your proof of this?
Are you serious?
Well placed geometrically grouped asteroids can be placed in orbit without interfering with any of our satellites or "smashing into them" as you put it.
What is your proof of this?
So, let me get this straight. You think a) pulling some asteroids into orbit, enough to make some sort of sign; or b) carving huge symbols in mountains; or c) making some sort of message on the moon, large enough to be seen from earth, meaning it would dwarf the Nazca lines and be tens or even hundreds of kilometers long - are all more efficient ways than mashing down a few crops - which actually gets reported in newspapers and on tv througout the world?
Good idea, but it might terrify half the planet, and intelligent beings would be cogizant of that possibility.
That's funny, that's not how I see it. I see people who would like to discuss aliens and UFO's with like minded people - being attacked and insulted by people who are free to ignore these threads if they wish - it's the debunkers doing the shouting - if they think they are crazy why do they continually post on these threads? Is someone forcing them to read these threads? Why do they care if other people believe in or want to discuss ET's?
Non-interference and hints about existence are two different things. Anyways, no one is perfect.
If ETs did not make the most elaborate crop circles, then it would have to be the Pentagon or MI-6 and they would have no reason to do it. Extremely high technology would have to be involved.
It has always been astonishing to me that university professors have not made an issue of chemtrails. They cannot be confused with contrails by anyone who knows what a contrail is.
If Nibiru is real and incoming, it must have been tracked by those in the know for many years before now. Could the evidence have been kept quiet... perhaps.
One thing that was truly chilling about the whole 2012 apocalypse theme was last year when the head of NASA made a video urging the entire "NASA family" to prepare for extreme disaster. He openly mentioned extreme natural disasters and also hinted at a form of terrorism that could be interpreted (by those in the know) as a hostile invasion of extraterrestrials. Either way, the video fits right in with theorists' contentions that Nibiru is on its way in.
I agree about the heavily shielded helmut - not necessary. If the Planet X passing is true, then it does occur every 3500 years or so - and there is much life on earth now to prove that everything is not destroyed each time. However, I would be concerned about some basic radiation shielding - as again IF it is true, we could experience temporary disruptions to the atmosphere/magnetosphere which could temporarily expose us to high radiation doses - metal/wood/plastic shielding are NOT good, stone, rocks, concrete will work. If I can't find a suitable structure then my back up plan is just sand bags and a basic sand bag structure - easy for anyone to do.
Here is a theory of the path of Nibiru coming at us.