WMD's Finally FOUND!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

You could kill more people from a church tower with a rifle with a silencer on before they found you, so yes it would cause mass destruction to the victims family's etc.

No. Killing a handful of people is not 'mass destruction'. It's murder.

Destroying an entire TOWN is 'mass destruction'.

According to federal law it is legal to own a weapon with a silencer hence the 2-6 month wait for get one. The benefits to a silencer is that one can shoot at targets without have a neighbor come shoot you for being too "loud".

Of course local laws are at issue here, but a "rifle with a silencer" is not a weapon of mass destruction. A person could do more damage with a car,or a truck, or an 18 wheeler, and are they "considered to be weapons of mass destruction" ?

Nope.

Cops know better than to call a weapon of mass destruction because that would mean Ashville Police are armed with weapons of mass destruction.

reply to post by stanguilles7


See it wasn't just the two officers involved in the charges that get leveled on anyone. There's a whole network of people deciding these things from my experience. DAs, Deputy DAs, there's a watch commander assissting the officers when the perp is brought in.

The cops can charge you with everything in the book. doesn't mean it will stick. And the cops may not be employed very long but they can and do what they can get away with.

This guy might be under a great deal off suspicion and they leveled these charges at him to buy time for an investigation to catch up.

I would hold off on any judgments for now at least. Except for this guy being a dumb ass.

Idiocy. Plain and simple.

Looks like this thread is gonna be full of it, too.

I want a suppressor for my. 45, so I don't bust my eardrums out when I target practice.

Does this make me a rogue state? Maybe Obama should drone strike me pre-emptively. (sp)

Originally posted by randyvs

The cops can charge you with everything in the book. doesn't mean it will stick. And the cops may not be employed very long but they can and do what they can get away with.

And that is one thing that has always bothered me. A cop can ruin your day/week/month if they want to. For example, If you run into a hard ass cop who wants to search your car and you refuse, they could come up with some bogus charge and take you to jail, just to "get back at you".

Then you have to sit in a jail cell until you go to court and clear your name.

Not to say that all cops would do that...But stuff like that does happen. And I think that stinks...In my humble opinion, that is an abusive of authority.

This guy belongs in jail, according to his other charges...But throwing on a WMD charge? Talk about excessive.

reply to post by randyvs


Exactly! I am willing to bet there will be NO retraction when that ridiculous charge is dropped either. Also in NC once its on the record it remains there period.

So look at what they accomplished out of this. Yes should have been arrested. But they have ruined him and his character. They have seeded into the stupid people of Eastern Carolina that all rifles and all suppressors are WMD and should be feared. Damage is done!

reply to post by randyvs


What astounds me is that you continue to defend this classification, and others apparently support you in your efforts.

Silencers/suppressors are only used by killers and assassins and stuff, GASP!

^^^^^^^^^^Hollywood educated ignoramus^^^^^^^^^^^^

Silencers have very useful civilian uses in case anyone didn't already know.

Here, I will link a little site that is all about silencers: Benefits Of Owning A Gun Silencer

I will quote some of it:

MOST U.S. CITIZENS DO NOT KNOW THAT SILENCERS ARE LEGAL.

In addition, most people believe that silencers do not have any practical purpose. Hollywood has done a fantastic job of demonizing silencers by mostly putting them into the hands of the villains who silently kill and terrorize on the silver screen. The general public is under the impression that a person who owns a silencer would be more likely to commit a crime or, more dramatically, even to enter the realm of contract killing. Silencerco wants to educate citizens about how silencers save hearing, increase situational awareness, improve accuracy, but most importantly, save lives.

INCREASED ACCURACY

Firearm suppressors (or silencers, as they are often called) are not only useful for the field of professional law enforcement, but they also have many practical benefits for civilians as well. One of the most common problems for shooters is poor accuracy due to the shooter’s anticipation of the gun’s loud report and recoil. This anticipation causes shooters to “flinch” before the gun even goes off, to experience slight tremors in the hand from nervousness, and even to close their eyes or blink right before they pull the trigger. All of these issues cause the gun to move from the intended target area. The use of silencers will dramatically increase accuracy because of the reduced muzzle report, reduced recoil, and decreased muzzle flip.

HEARING PROTECTION

Another practical purpose for silencers is hearing protection. Any shooter knows that even with earmuffs or plugs, guns are still loud enough to hurt your ears and cause ringing in your ears long after you are finished shooting—and sometimes permanently. Besides the ringing, earmuffs and plugs can be very uncomfortable and can give you headaches. When shooting with earmuffs or plugs, you are required to speak very loudly to be able to communicate with friends. This type of hearing protection also mutes your surroundings so that you are less aware of your environment. Silencerco silencers lower the sound signature of your firearm to the point where it is safe and comfortable to the ear to shoot without the need of hearing protection, making your shooting experience safer and more enjoyable.

PERSONAL PROTECTION

When shooting in close quarters, such as a room or hallway, gun fire is loud enough to cause permanent hearing loss. If you are in the unfortunate position that you must use deadly force in order to protect yourself or your family in your home, there will not be enough time to apply hearing protection. Even if there was enough time, hearing protection would make it difficult to hear the position of the perpetrator, which would give him the upper hand in the situation. Home protection weapons that use silencers will save your hearing and increase your situational awareness.

HUNTING

There are several benefits to hunting with suppressed firearms. Because listening to your surroundings is an important strategy in tracking prey, hunters very rarely if ever use hearing protection. Again, unsuppressed gunfire is loud enough to cause permanent hearing loss. Using a silencer will suppress the gunfire enough to protect your hearing without the use of hearing protection, thus allowing you to effectively track your prey and quickly take your shot without having to first apply hearing protection. If you have a silencer attached to your muzzle while hunting, there are benefits other than hearing protection. Because the silencer reduces recoil and muzzle rise, you are able to get into position for a follow-up shot more quickly because there is a lot less movement and your crosshairs stay closer to the target. Sometimes, it is possible to get your crosshairs back on target before the first bullet strikes. This quick strategy also allows you to “call” your hits or misses and make quick corrections in the field. Hunting with silencers is legal in several states. Whether you are hunting big game, small game, or predators and varmints, a silencer will add enjoyment by removing the risk to your hearing and to the hearing of those around you. Remember to check if hunting with a suppressor is legal in your state.

BECAUSE IT’S YOUR RIGHT

Oh look, I am running out of characters. I guess it doesn't matter though as I am sure most people already understand this point.

Interesting note: This is in line with NC General Assembly rules:

in part:

The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" includes:

(1) Any explosive or incendiary: a. Bomb; or b. Grenade; or c. Rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces; or d. Missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one‑quarter ounce; or e. Mine; or f. Device similar to any of the devices described above; or

(2) Any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell of a type particularly suitable for sporting purposes) which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one‑half inch in diameter; or

(3) Any firearm capable of fully automatic fire, any shotgun with a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any rifle with a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not such firearm is included within this definition. For the purposes of this section, rifle is defined as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; or

(4) Any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any weapon described above and from which a weapon of mass death and destruction may readily be assembled.

www.ncga.state.nc.us...

So it looks like the cops were right in their definition. The ramifications of this definition seem troubling, at best.

reply to post by rbnhd76

I want a suppressor for my. 45, so I don't bust my eardrums out when I target practice.

They have these new fangled things called ear plugs guy. There a lot cheaper than a custom machine shoppedd silencer. about a buck.

Originally posted by Elzon1


MOST U.S. CITIZENS DO NOT KNOW THAT SILENCERS ARE LEGAL.

Actually, I just looked it up, and silencers are only legal in NC for a very small subset of the population, and have to get authority from the local sheriff.

thefiringline.com...

"The only persons allowed to own or possess a weapon of mass death and destruction, as defined above, are the following: 1. persons exempted from the provisions of carrying a concealed weapon in North Carolina, with respect to any activity lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties; 2. importers, manufacturers, dealers, and collectors of firearms, ammunition, or destructive devices validly licensed under the laws of the United States or the State of North Carolina, while lawfully engaged in activities authorized under their licenses;"

ncja.ncdoj.gov...

reply to post by stanguilles7


Thats with out a Federal Tax Stamp. Which I doubt he had!

reply to post by stanguilles7


Well, wow. There you go. Sadly ( I think sadly anyway) they were more or less within their rights to charge the guy with possession of a WMD. I guess it comes down to whether or not he had the appropriate permission/permit to own one...

I don't know what else I can say. Troubling, sad and scary...

If I were him, I would ask for a jury trial and hope the Jury has some common sense...Because...The law, often times, does not....

Not much else I can say at this point.... So, for now, I will bow out of the thread. Though, knowing myself, I may be back.

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by randyvs

 

What astounds me is that you continue to defend this classification, and others apparently support you in your efforts.

Stud i been arrested thirty two times OK ? I'm not defending anyone or anything so get that out of your head. I'm simply giving reasons for the actions of obviously competent people.

Don't be so judgmental ace ?

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

If I were him, I would ask for a jury trial and hope the Jury has some common sense...Because...The law, often times, does not....

See this is what I been trying to get at from the beginning. What he is charged with goes on an arrest record. That's it. And only the police ever see that one. It's in place for officer safety. Serves them very well indeed too. But that charge can be dropped at anytime. So it doesn't even matter. Except that it has stirred this discussion.
There is an arrest record that is apart from a persons conviction record.

reply to post by randyvs


And all background checks!

Originally posted by Snakedoctorjw
reply to post by randyvs

 

And all background checks!

Nope sorry you are wrong. That's only a conviction record pard.

See when I get pulled over the cops usually take sometime before they get out of the car. Any guesses why ?

Because they see that arrest record when they run my plate. Takes a while to look at. But they never call for back up cause it's all traffic and failures to appear BS.

reply to post by randyvs


Do you live in NC too?

If not you are wrong EVERYTHING goes on your background check in NC, I know because I just pulled mine for the Volunteer FD, and could not believe half the crap on there that was thrown out or dismissed to due officer conduct!

Originally posted by Snakedoctorjw
reply to post by randyvs

 

Do you live in NC too?

If not you are wrong EVERYTHING goes on your background check in NC, I know because I just pulled mine for the Volunteer FD, and could not believe half the crap on there that was thrown out or dismissed to due officer conduct!

edit on 16-6-2012 by Snakedoctorjw because: (no reason given)

Star for your reply.

Nah So Calif. when you go for a job that puts you under a microscope like that I'm sure that has a lot more to do with it than the state you're in. Because you most definitively have two records. Both can be seen but only one can be made publicly accessible.

reply to post by randyvs


AHHH, I see your point Hadnt thought f it that way.

Sounds allot nicer where you stay right about now!