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Originally posted by mojo2012
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by mojo2012
Can anyone point out the scripture where it says it's ok to stand up and pray out loud?
In Matthew 6:6, Jesus says to pray in secret. And the closet i think he's refering to is the prayer shawl if I'm not mistaken.
Can you show the verse where a person praying for others or group prayer is prohibited? Jesus is merely telling the discipmes how they should pray, it's not an exhaustive teaching on prayer.
I never said praying for others is prohibited.
Give me a verse after Matthew 6:6 where they prayed other than the way they were told.
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by phroziac
Whats wrong with praying out loud in church? What jesus was against was the pharisees making a big huge deal in public of their prayers....acting like they were more holy than everyone when they were just full of crap...
Because you are directing it to something out there, instead on in here. To pray out loud is to stroke the ego, and to impress peers only.
I know well my inner God and Goddess, don't you, friend?
Originally posted by phroziac
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by phroziac
Whats wrong with praying out loud in church? What jesus was against was the pharisees making a big huge deal in public of their prayers....acting like they were more holy than everyone when they were just full of crap...
Because you are directing it to something out there, instead on in here. To pray out loud is to stroke the ego, and to impress peers only.
I know well my inner God and Goddess, don't you, friend?
Thats not the way i see it, i see it as a group of people making the same prayer together...therefore it has mote power and specialness.
I suppose it depends a little on what you define prayer to be, but I think these would fit:
Post a verse where Jesus prayed when he wasn't alone.
Matthew 14:19
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people.
Matthew 26:26
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” (emphasis added)
I have been told that the closet is the prayer shawl. Jews would put it over their head to pray.
He's saying to pretty much pray where people can't hear you since the prayer is only to the Father.
Originally posted by mojo2012
I think I have confused some of you that have posted.
By out loud I meant projecting your voice. Of course you are suppose to say your prayer with your voice but prayer is meant for the Father so you say it in a low voice.
The reason i made this thread is because some pastors pray out loud(projecting their voice) and I believe prayer shouldn't be done this way based on Matthew 6:6.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by mojo2012
Dear mojo2012,
Sorry for the delay.
I suppose it depends a little on what you define prayer to be, but I think these would fit:
Post a verse where Jesus prayed when he wasn't alone.
Matthew 14:19
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people.
Matthew 26:26
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” (emphasis added)
With respect,
Charles1952
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by mojo2012
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by mojo2012
Can anyone point out the scripture where it says it's ok to stand up and pray out loud?
In Matthew 6:6, Jesus says to pray in secret. And the closet i think he's refering to is the prayer shawl if I'm not mistaken.
Can you show the verse where a person praying for others or group prayer is prohibited? Jesus is merely telling the discipmes how they should pray, it's not an exhaustive teaching on prayer.
I never said praying for others is prohibited.
Give me a verse after Matthew 6:6 where they prayed other than the way they were told.
I already did. Acts chapter 2. 120 people spent 10 days praying "in one accord" in the upper room culminating at Pentecost when the Holy Ghost fell.
I'm confused by "praise." If I praise my parents to you, I see that as a different thing than praising them face to face. Likewise, I see it as two different things to tell you that God is good, and to tell God that He is good.
I think of praise and prayer to be two different things.
Why in the world would the apostles go to the public hour of prayer at the temple and not pray? Now, they never did make it that far, that day.
Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer.
Why in the world would you have someone literally pray over you (while anointing you with oil, mind you) if prayer wasn't supposed to have an audience at all?
14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.
This is from the context that a whole group of them gathered together to pray for Peter's release from prison, right as Peter went to knock on the door of the group gathered together in prayer..and the servant Rhoda freaked everyone out by insisting Peter was at the gate to the house?
12 And when he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John who was also called Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying.
Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head.
But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.
the problem with this translation, is that the Greek in this verse is different:
But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God.
If [this conclusion] also causes people who have an opinion to be contentious, we don't have this custom, nor does the rest of the church.
Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them.
It happened that while Jesus was praying in a certain place, after He had finished, one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray just as John also taught his disciples."