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Don't you think that wealth should not be HOARDED? Don't you think the person would actually feel better, that they helped other people out? Should common culture start reflecting that HOARDING anything, including wealth is not such a good idea?
Originally posted by seedofchucky
Don't you think that wealth should not be HOARDED? Don't you think the person would actually feel better, that they helped other people out? Should common culture start reflecting that HOARDING anything, including wealth is not such a good idea?
Thats up to the person , we as a society expect that person to help others because he has so much , He is under no obligation but is seen as greedy if he doesn't help. Even though its their money and they can do as they please. They probably worked hard to achieve it , and i bet they didn't get so rich by giving it away lol.
Imagine how many millionaires would not be today , if they just gave away money getting up to where they are now . there would hardly be any .
hoarding junk vs collecting money
"is a pattern of behavior that is characterized by the excessive acquisition of and inability or unwillingness to discard large quantities of objects that would seemingly qualify as useless or without value"
the money is very useful , and full of value so it can't be hoarding. It would be saving for my future generations lifestyle.
Problem with hand outs , is people get used to it eventually and comes to a point where they look down on you , when you chose not to hand out anymore like its a obligation lol.
Who doesn't love a free lunch ? but somebody has to pay for it in the end.
Originally posted by uSNUUZuLUUz
Common culture seems to reflect easily that HOARDING is bad.
Dollars after Dollars just sitting there collecting 'figurative' dust. Why does common culture not think that is BAD?
Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
The order was rationalized on the grounds that hard times had caused "hoarding" of gold, stalling economic growth and making the depression worse.[1]
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If your neighbor becomes homeless, or can't provide food for his family, and you just saved $10,000 last week. How does that make you feel? Yes, it is your right, to save, and not help, but at what point does MORALITY kick in? Would Hoarding wealth be considered bad at that point?
You make great points, however you state that $10,000 is nothing, and they can save that if they want to. That in actuality is ALOT of cash, and could feed you and your neighbor's family for a year easily (2 families). Sometimes it's that mindset that the millionaires and the billionaires think too. They think "oh a million, that's nothing. I'll just keep it handy in the bank here" However $1 million can easily feed 200 families (per the above example) for a year.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by uSNUUZuLUUz
You make great points, however you state that $10,000 is nothing, and they can save that if they want to. That in actuality is ALOT of cash, and could feed you and your neighbor's family for a year easily (2 families). Sometimes it's that mindset that the millionaires and the billionaires think too. They think "oh a million, that's nothing. I'll just keep it handy in the bank here" However $1 million can easily feed 200 families (per the above example) for a year.
Actually 10K is nothing... maybe enough for a half-decent car. The problem with your mentality is that you settle for so little and think people who have even just a few thousand should share their money. Perhaps we should all be striving to have more than just a few thousand, and perhaps that would be possible if huge sums of money weren't concentrated in the hands of a few. Once again you are trying to target the little guy who only has a few thousand... that is absolutely crap all, leave them alone. Try targeting those people who actually have a ridiculous and excessive amount of money, those who actually have A LOT of money to spare. In reality we should all be able to save at least 10K and no one should be poor, but that doesn't happen because such huge amounts of money are concentrated in a few hands.
In reality we have no one to blame but our selves, it's ignorant to blame the rich people for our problems when we let them steal all our wealth by working in a capitalistic system which pays the workers basically nothing and all the money their work generates goes to shareholders. I blame society for being so god damn ignorant of the truth about how the system works and how they screw themselves over by participating and in unfair system. It's our own fault for supporting a system which screws us over. If you want to stop such huge amounts of wealth getting into the hands of only a few people then you need to fix the system which ALLOWS them to sweep in those huge amounts of money in the first place. There's no bloody point in trying to make them hand it back to us, because the system will ensure the money simply flows back into their hands and we are right back where we started. Fix the cause not the symptom.edit on 11-6-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by frugal
I wonder how many of the hoarders also hoard money? And how many of the hoarders are also fat? Or have been abused by something? Hoarders in my opinion come at all levels or in shades of gray.
My mother hoardes boxes in her basement. She must have a hundred. She orginally thought she use them to ship her books in. My sister in law suggested she should save 6 boxes: two small two medium, two large. I said it is a huge fire hazzard. Boxes are extremely flamable. My mother also saves magazines and catalogues for decades. I told her the catalogues are only good for 3-6 months. The magazines she should save only this year's worth unless it is some special subscription like National Geographic, or Food Cooking Magazines... When she dies I will have to rent a dumpster and fill it. I will try to recycle the magazines. She has tons of old clothes that need donated to Good will, plastic food savers by the hundreds, really old towels that are gross, three rooms as offices filled with paper clutter. The coffee table is piled high with a hundred magazines, no one can lay down and see the TV. When I go there to visit I sit and think of all the work it would be to get rid of the worthless crap she saves. Yet she is no where near TV hoarder staus either, just cluttered. I can't stand to watch those hoarder shows. I have trouble cleaning my desk off myself. Always thinking if I throw it away I might need it. It is work and decision making to throw stuff out, or to donate to charities. I keep a box in the garage and when it's filled I donate to Goodwill my favorite charity. Sharing extras is a good planetary thing.
My mother in law spends money like water, when the father in law was alive he hoarded the money and would give nothing to no one. He was very selfish. When he died it was interesting to see how different people reacted.
He would not even let his wife install a dishwasher, or get hearing aids. She is almost deaf, she yells while talking. He smoked, maybe the hoarding was to pay for cigarettes, or the cancer bills.
A friend of mine's parents were extreme hoarders. Every time something broke they would store it in the attic.
When her parents died she spent all summer cleaning out their house, and finally gave up renting a moving truck and bring the contents home to her house where she finished sorting through it all.
The people who hoard all the money must hate other people, be highly insecure, and love power over others.
Some people just love with holding goodwill and love to see their family and friends struggle. We as a human race have some serious dysfunctional behavioural problems. People love to control and love power, I guess they do it because ultimately no one person really has any power over anything too much at all. I also feel dsyfunctional hoarders effect everyone they know with their behaviours, and alot of them are bossy, controling, manipulative, mean people.
If you expand on this, If you have $1 Million in the bank, $10,000 may not seem that much. And so you could donate $10,000 and it would be no skin of of your back. Howver $10,000 could do alot for many people.
If you extrapolate further. If you have $1 Billion in the bank. $1 million is nothing to you. Yet it could do WONDERS to many others.
I'm not saying ONE person, or ONE group has to carry the load of the world. I'm saying we all have a small percentage that we don't "need" or even "care about". I'm just just saying what if we gave away that little "extra" instead of hoarding it, on what it would do for the benefit of your neighbors, your country, the whole world?
Originally posted by Moneyisgodlifeisrented
While I am the 1st guy to say " let's get rid of Money " the issue is that we still cannot regulate the flow of these goods and materials without some form of moderation control being enforced.
Money is the means of which regulates the flow of materials, it's that factor that defines why the wheat from the farm is gone, oh because I have this pile of cash. So if money isn't there, that farmer who still has to till, plant, harvest that wheat doesn't have all his wheat ganked up without being able to get something back for all that work and materials consumed to get the wheat.
If it's free, wouldn't all our resources be snagged up and horded anyways? How would you deprogram the mind and society of money? Short of a global disaster.