What about we the people take over everything?

Now that we learned that Ron/Rand Paul are working for TPTB, we must think another way out!

The military, the politicians, whoever, are not going to help us!

So I come with a simple suggestion:

Let's create the True People Constitutional Party. This party is for liberty, small government, sound money, no too big to fail banking and institutions, for capitalism (not corporativism), no private central banking system, no taxes on people earnings, no lobby, etc. Main principals are:

- Party officials are to be chosen by lottery system and can only serve for no more than four years;
- The elected officials must follow the party goals or face impeachment and further legal actions;
- The agenda and meetings for the officials are to be always under supervision of a party supervisor chosen by lottery system, never the same one for the same official;
- No career politicians allowed although a serious one can serve several years until he or she reaches the possibility of presidency;
- Elected officials can only serve one mandate for the selected office;
- If the elected official does his/her job he/she can be elected for a higher office;
- Candidates will be initially selected at their local communities;

To get things rolling I pledge my services as a web developer and programmer for the lottery and any other necessities! And I can further help with the party goals. Who is in with me?

Why not? Because with dumb notions like "Ron Paul is a part of 'TPTB' " is not a good reason to march. Try again.

How did you even surmise that?

reply to post by satron

Why is a dumb notion? Have you seen Rand endorsement for Romney? Have you seen the Ron Paul campaign asking people to be respectful at the GOP convention?

Originally posted by Patifier
- The elected officials must follow the party goals or face impeachment and further legal actions;

Party politics are one of the major problems -- why would we want to have this enshrined into a Constitution? All officers of the United States are already subject to impeachment -- but the People are just too fickle to demand impeachment of their own Representative or Senator.

- The agenda and meetings for the officials are to be always under supervision of a party supervisor chosen by some kind of lottery system, never the same one for the same official;

More with party politics.

- No career politicians allowed although a serious one can serve several years until he or she reaches the possibility of presidency;

Technically there is no "career" politicians given they are up for reelection every 4-6 years depending on their office they hold. Sadly, the People have abdicated so much of their inherent political power and always want more and more from their "representative" that they will just re-vote them back into office.

- Elected officials can only serve one mandate for the selected office;

Not sure what you mean here, can you better explain?

- If the elected official does his/her job he/she can be elected for a higher office;

Offices should not be predicated on their previous political experience. You say you don't want career politicians but this smacks of career politicians.

- Candidates will be initially selected at their local communities;

And here is why the political education in this country has fallen off the cliff. Politics always starts at the local level but the People are only interested in the "Extravaganza" event of the November elections rather than being engaged in local politics including State politics.

Further with only on average 40-50% of the voting population actually engaging in the November elections, it dwindles when it comes to the more important State and local elections (save a few exceptions).

But I will say at least you are trying to provide solutions or ideas. To that, good job.

What about the already existing Libertarian party?

Do you not agree with their platform?

www.lp.org...

reply to post by ownbestenemy

The problem is not party politics, is the trust we put in individuals. We must trust the party! How do we accomplish that? Making the party count more than the individuals.

Yes, a serious person can make a few years in the politic career but can't count on that, the fail safe is the lottery system.

reply to post by METACOMET


I'll take a look at it. But I can tell you right away, if the party doesn't reign on the elected official it doesn't matter, it's all lost.

I'm not saying my solution is the ideal, let's think together, but let's do something where the ideal and ideas are above individuals! Come on! Enough is enough!

Originally posted by Patifier
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

The problem is not party politics, is the trust we put in individuals. We must trust the party! How do we accomplish that? Making the party count more than the individuals.

Yes, a serious person can make a few years in the politic career but can't count on that, the fail safe is the lottery system.

Do you know when the last time party politics didn't infect the politicians? George Washington. That was it. Soon after parties began to naturally develop and people began to associate with one group or another. There is nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with workers banding together in free association and creating a union to have a unified voice.

But when that group no longer has interests to be stately or advance the nation and only strive to serve its own inner-party politics, it becomes a problem. Merely stating and recognizing party politics in a Constitution would be detrimental to the free association that we enjoy.

Force De jure ... because they are willing to do what ever it takes to make you a slave. including killing you if you ever discover the emperor has no cloths.
he who is willing to put everything on the line for his or her belief's usually lose. because there is an infinate number of people who are willing to accept IOU's for their worldly existance.

reply to post by ownbestenemy

When party politics turns out to be a problem? When it is infiltrated by people who doesn't reflect the party goals. In the system I am proposing, no one will have the time or power to change it.

I say if we are in essence dealing with a vote of no confidence in ALL leadership, I say replace the couple of thousand they may be in TOTALITY out of the MILLIONS of people we have.

Start from scratch. I think they are not irreplaceable. Out of millions we can find excellent people to fill our leaders chairs.

I say we need to reduce it across the board too. State law to reign supreme. I say ALL banking should be made federal and all its leadership should be VOTED into office. Banks control too much of our world to simply leave them to chance. Maybe our bank directors will be responsible....MAYBE...

that is no way for society to function.

I say mass bank reform and nationalization without resale for a loss. I say All government has failed us and should be replaced.

Banks to be run publicly NOW. No Federal reserve wishful thinking. Society needs structure. It MUST be transparent and forced to be faithful. Chance and confidence in others ability to work for a common good of all is unacceptable.

We should make a simple petition to be signed be EVERY American that wants to reform it all. Change EVERY political office with new paper elections that will be counted publicly.

If 2/3 of the population wants it, I don't see how the government can say no. I do, but then they would not be valid and the gloves would come off on ALL sides.

reply to post by 1BornPatriot

If you fear for your life then don't affiliate with any party and settle with what you got, but you have no right to complain.

My idea is easy to implement and very easy to maintain, very very easy to convince. My hope is to start here and now! Not so easy is to think all the goals and fail safes but we have a lot of good folks here to begin with.

reply to post by BIHOTZ


Exactly! The trap is the two party system that must be broken! If it's well conceived, the new party will get the masses easily and break this cycle. Let's start with the fail safes and goals. Give your input, let's document it, I'm a programmer, let's have a draft of it with versions until we're happy with the outcome and then get it go live! I have faith in the people that contribute here, so many pro Ron Paul's message supporters... just get it done!

When the people see it: "This party if from us and for us and for the Constitution", do you think they will vote for whoever on the old parties? They will vote for the goals of our party, not a name they follow, but the names the party suggests and endorse. If the party controls the house and senate, any president can be impeached if he goes haywire, go try impeach any president now, impossible.

And the keyword here is transparency!

reply to post by Patifier


Ok. I will try to write up our civilian manifesto. I will make it universal. I will try and write it for every person on earth.

This is a formidable challenge. I will give it a shot, why not. I am just serving wine and coffee here anyways. Might as well be useful.

I am going to steal their idea. They want a world government so they can control us all. I will theorize a world government that ensures humanities survival as a free species.

Their version requires a massive reduction in population so as to control it all better. A more manageable world.
My version will require nothing that we don't already have in plentiful supply. My plan will USE all the excess population to create a society that will last many generations.

In their world they will have to use hunger pain and fear to use you for meaningless tasks. In my world you accomplish titanic works that will inspire free men for generations.

I would walk alongside free men, not good animals. A good beast for a useless master, or a free person unto an open and limitless universe.

I have been thinking about this for years now. I think I will start this year.

reply to post by BIHOTZ

Great! I'm looking forward into reading your work! It must be universal as we want every country and society to have it's own party as well!

Everything that will be done must be open source, the lottery system and party computer systems specially.

We also need ideas in how to setup the party organization without fixed people. I like the lottery system a lot for this also. When we have more than 10 cities with more than 100 affiliated each we can probably make a safe drawing to choose the first location and crew for the party management. Regarding financials we need like 5 people that must sign for any money movement. After, let's say four years, the party organization has to refresh and a new drawing is to be performed. How can this be done?

SUPERB WORK OP! RUN WITH IT! S+F

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by Patifier

 

Ok. I will try to write up our civilian manifesto. I will make it universal. I will try and write it for every person on earth.

This is a formidable challenge. I will give it a shot, why not. I am just serving wine and coffee here anyways. Might as well be useful.

I am going to steal their idea. They want a world government so they can control us all. I will theorize a world government that ensures humanities survival as a free species.

Their version requires a massive reduction in population so as to control it all better. A more manageable world.
My version will require nothing that we don't already have in plentiful supply. My plan will USE all the excess population to create a society that will last many generations.

In their world they will have to use hunger pain and fear to use you for meaningless tasks. In my world you accomplish titanic works that will inspire free men for generations.

I would walk alongside free men, not good animals. A good beast for a useless master, or a free person unto an open and limitless universe.

I have been thinking about this for years now. I think I will start this year.

The Constitution of the Universe

Preamble

The purpose of human life is to live happily. The function of government is to guarantee those conditions that allow individuals to fulfill their purpose. Those conditions can be guaranteed through a constitution that forbids the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual:

* * *

Article 1

No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual's self or property.

Article 2

Force may be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Article 1.

Article 3

No exceptions shall exist for Articles 1 and 2.

* * * * * * * * * * *

The Constitution rests on six axioms:

1. Values exist only relative to life.

2. Whatever benefits a living organism is a value to that organism. Whatever harms a living organism is a disvalue to that organism.

3. The basic value against which all values are measured is the conscious individual.

4. Morals relate only to conscious individuals.

5. Immoral actions arise from individuals choosing to harm others through force, fraud, deception, coercion -- or from individuals choosing to usurp, attack, or destroy values earned by others.

6. Moral actions arise from individuals choosing to benefit others by competitively producing values for them.

* * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: The Constitution Of The Universe is copyrighted

New York Times Articles Archives

Court Rules 'Honesty' Oath Merits New Trial

Published: August 23, 1992

A man who wanted to speak with "fully integrated honesty" instead of "the whole truth" is entitled to a new trial on charges of Federal income tax evasion, a Federal appeals court has ruled.

A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on Wednesday ordered that the defendant, Wallace Ward of Boulder City, Nev., be retried on the charges. The court, in a 2-to-1 decision, said his First Amendment right guaranteeing religious freedom had been violated by a requirement that he take the standard courtroom oath.

Mr. Ward, president of a mail-order company, was charged with evading personal and other taxes from 1983 through 1985. In pretrial proceedings and at his trial in 1991, he challenged the requirement that he take the witness oath pledging to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

Offer Was Rejected

Asserting a philosophical objection to using the word "truth," Mr. Ward asked instead that he be allowed to pledge "to speak with fully integrated honesty, only with fully integrated honesty and nothing but fully integrated honesty."

But both Magistrate Judge Lawrence R. Leavitt and Federal District Judge Lloyd D. George said the wording had been used for centuries and would not be changed. At both the pretrial proceeding and the trial, Mr. Ward offered to take both oaths, but his offer was rejected.

Mr. Ward declined to testify, and he presented no witnesses.

In an opinion written by Judge Betty Binns Fletcher, the appeals court appeared puzzled about why Mr. Ward believed that honesty was superior to truth, but it said he seemed to be sincere in his beliefs. It ruled that although Mr. Ward had not wished to state his beliefs in conventional terms, he had tried to express "a moral or ethical sense of right and wrong" that was equivalent to religious beliefs under the Constitution.

The standard wording is not required by any law and need not be used as long as the witness expresses an equivalent commitment to tell the truth under penalty of perjury, Judge Fletcher said. Judge Thomas G. Nelson joined her opinion.

Judge Cecil F. Poole dissented, saying Mr. Ward's "semantic objection" showed only a philosophical preference, not a belief that was the equivalent of religion or that showed an acknowledgment of the duty to tell the truth.

Judges Fletcher and Poole were appointed by President Jimmy Carter; Judge Nelson was appointed by President Bush.

(Continued in my below post).

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NOTE: The Constitution Of The Universe is copyrighted

Sure glad I wasn't drinking a bloody mary when I read that last line. Coffee wipes up.

reply to post by frazzle

Desired Reality: Supercivilisation, the Treasure Trove - Get Big Riches, Get Super Smart, Get Absorbingly Creative, Get Exquisite Love, Get Peaceful Protection, Get Exhilarating Health. 

Your Supercivilisation Bounty. A fictional story, a realistic possibility.

Que continued reading…

First, income and other taxes were eliminated and replaced with consumption user fees.

Politicians with their suppressive laws and force-backed taxes do not exist to hinder businesses or consumers.

Consumers money quickly became worth over 8 times what it was under politics!

Technology advances at an increasingly rapid rate, delivering abundant Gifts for our quality of life.

Crime drops to nothing in a matter of years. In the mean time, society would operate via one rule against the use of force Business with Science and Art facilitates, creates and / or supplies ALL values to EVERYONE: Ever better quality, at ever-lower prices.

“As long as the exponential increase of your market is greater than the exponential decline of your prices. – CEO of Kodak, circa 1998.

A heaven of abundant prosperity and happiness forever flowed across Earth showering everyone with 6 Gifts. The 6 Gifts

Imagine a universe ‘without borders or boundaries’, in which business is FREE, showering you and your loved ones with 6 Golden Supercivilisation Gifts:

Wealth
Health
Intelligence
Career
Security
Love

GIFT 1: Total Security

Can you imagine: no creditor’s to satisfy, no bailiffs at the ready, no police camera convictions, no force backed taxation of your income, no VAT on things you buy, no capital gains tax on your property, no micro-terrorist street thugs, no macro-terrorist religious or political war-creators.

What does the phrase ‘Total Security’ bring to your mind? What does it bring to mind in relation to Family / Friends, Occupation, Recreation, and Money?

Country Sovereignty

Make wars history. www.makewarshistory.org.uk...

Property Rights

During the shift in the 2000′s, people came to respect the value of each individual, and the right of all to their own thoughts, creations, voluntarily exchanged goods and property.

“If the rights of the individual are protected, then the rights of everyone are protected”

The above was hailed by the increasingly insightful and in-the-know populous. The now visibly evil concepts of socialist / altruistic by-gone days of envy and parasitism; mooching and looting, were being nullified.

People not only clearly saw that Socialism, Communism and Self-sacrifice led to impoverishment and tyrannical rule, but they also used business-created technologies and services to protect themselves. They wanted business and technology to be freed from regulations.

Honest integrated, value producers stepped up to squash the old-system political candidates in something called The Great Replacement where career-politicians were voted out, and business-minded appointees were voted in who managed the freedom paradigm revolution in how politics was being structured and conducted.

Even President George Bush used laissez-faire understandings of how capitalism brings prosperity. He was the first of a wave of business-like-political-appointees that increasingly upheld individual rights:

“Government spends a lot of money, but it doesn’t build factories, it doesn’t invest in companies, or do the work that makes the economy go. The role of government is not to manage or control the economy from Washington, D.C., but to remove obstacles standing in the way for faster economic growth. That’s our role.” [applause]. – President George Bush,

March 2003

The years following that address saw changes to government metamorphose from cockroach infestations into its proper American Constitution role of voluntarily-paid-for protection services within a Natural Republic.

Environment

As the crime rates dropped towards zero, governments shifted focus from prevention of physical aggression and theft, to preventing accidental property damage.

Availability of Insurance Services sky-rocketed as people willingly paid for their property and rights to be protected by super-rapidly-advancing-new-technologies that were researched and provided by insurance / research companies.

Andrew J Galambos illustrated 1 how insurance services will assume the role of justice giver and protector. Since they do not want to pay out insurance claims, they would provide services or technologies that prevented the requirement of people making claims.

For example: ‘noise pollution’ could be insured against, by someone paying whatever insurance companies ask, with that insurance company developing and providing the technologies to fulfill their job of preventing ‘noise pollution’. (Note: Inaudible speakers had been developed in the 90′s that blocked other sound waves. It would just be a matter of that technology being developed to surround a house that could prevent noise pollution from entering ones home from outside.)

Anything becomes technologically possible in a Free society where individual rights are upheld and business is allowed to develop new products and services supplied to the marketplace.

What would you want? Can you see the life you would have? And for your loved one’s?

Sovereignty

The tax-collectors found that their gobbledygook no longer held sway with citizens whose property and individual rights were protected by a constitution that prohibited the initiation of force. (Story Continues on Google. Search.)