Slapped in the Face by ATF Today

This actually happened to me yesterday. I went over to purchase my first hand gun, filled everything out, gave my SSN, there isn't anything on my record....and there was a "delay" put on my background check. No idea what that means...except maybe they were too busy to check off that I was clean. The police were out in force yesterday. Bummer too. That was my birthday gift.

Originally posted by Citybig

Originally posted by butcherguy

In light of his service, and the fact that he had to have a good background to become a Marine, he should not have any problems buying a firearm.

If this is the case, why do your Marines go around slaughtering villages and killing innocents?

Is that what the Marines do?
If you are blaming seabag for that crime I will defer to him, as I am not aware of him committing any such crimes. I also wouldn't think of accusing him of such a thing with no evidence of it having occurred.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Morg234

Ahhh. Our government doesn't 'allow' us to own firearms, we claim it as our right. I wonder why you never did the same.

reply to post by butcherguy

 

Yes, it is your government allowing you to do so.

Interesting that someone from the UK, where most citizens can't own a firearm ( unless they cross the Channel to admire their guns in France

), chooses to lecture us on the subject.

When your break free of the monarchy and write your own constitution, then maybe your words will be something more than just the air issuing from your lips.

Oh there are millions of legally owned firearms in the UK, and hundreds of gun clubs, the difference is it means nothing to us, whilst you exist in a semi-psychotic national state thinking that the guns will change your life somehow. It's like a paranoia.

Maybe you should break free of your corporate run two party quasi-dictatorship, then write your own constitution that isn't nearly entirely based on Ancient English Civil Law and the Magna Carta, which is our constitution and thousands of years older than yours. Then maybe your words will be something more than just the hot air issuing from your lips.

reply to post by j230ns

just like SSN's were never supposed to be used to identify people. i highly doubt the FBI would throw away that information.

Originally posted by aLLeKs
Sorry, but the only thing that comes to my mind is:

OMG this Americans.... alls steroetypes fulfilled.



Seriously, you want to buy a firearm and wonder, that they want to review your backgroundinfo? Sorry, it is a weapon! I would like to have checks on every ATF File, like in every other country.

Uhhh, might want to get up to date if you are going to question our system.

A system has been installed allowing for instant background checks done at the point of sale for firearms. There shouldn't be any review required.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


yeah, thats why i stuck with "SUPPOSED" lol. at least the SSN field is optional on the 4473 i guess. and "sold them a while ago" is always an option as under no situation does anyone have a right to know what firearms are kept in your home. its usually a felony to lie to a federal agent but if they ask for your guns they are doing something illegal at the same time unless you are subject to one of the million regulations that people seem to already ignore when calling for more legislation.

i find it amusing when people call for passing laws to keep firearms out of the mentally defect or felons hands when there are already laws against it.

reply to post by Citybig

semi-psychotic national state

So you can own guns.
So can we.
But we are semi-psychotic and you are not.

Our democracy is totally loused up.
But your system with a Queen , in her position by the grace of high birth, is really great?

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Citybig

 

semi-psychotic national state

So you can own guns.
So can we.
But we are semi-psychotic and you are not.

Our democracy is totally loused up.
But your system with a Queen , in her position by the grace of high birth, is really great?

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

The queen has absolutely no power, she's just a figurehead and has been since the times of Oliver Cromwell, even her speeches are written by the Prime Minister. She's just for ceremonial duties and fleecing naive tourists out of their money.

You are just exposing your American ignorance and arrogance.

reply to post by Urbanshadow


Theres nothing wrong with guns. Guns dont kill, or hurt anyone, it is the person behind, or ignorant kid behind the trigger. Any object in your house can kill you, if you really think about it, so should we outlaw household objects?

You can abuse water, and become over hydrated and die, should we ban water?

Guns are useful tools, that can effectively feed, and protect you, and your family, if used correctly and safely.

I have a Ukrainian AK-47 i bought for 450$ that i use for home protection, and if SHTF, i have a pretty reliable weapon, with a backpack full of ammo :p it has a toggle between semi auto, and breech loading for the bullets, so i guess in a situation like that, it could be used for hunting larger animals

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


I'm amazed. I get in and out in 15 minutes tops. Pistol, rifle doesn't matter. Hand them my CPL and License, fill it out the form while they call it in. Usually I'm finished with the form a minute before they get off the phone, finish up the rest and pay. I've waited longer to buy groceries.

This thread has me wanting to go to the range Saturday. I've been slacking on the shooting lately.

reply to post by knowledgedesired


You know, I asked a simple question, I wasnt trying to fry his brains out or anything. I just wondered why someone would want more than one gun, like for hunting, army whatever reason, I dont know what it is like to even see a real gun...ok?

And thanks for the explanations. Aprreciated & understood.

reply to post by Urbanshadow
one day you will wish you had guns to protect yourself...........from your own government. it will happen sooner or later. that's why we have the 2nd ammend. in the states. our fore fathers knew that all governments eventual become so corrupt to the point of no return.

Originally posted by butcherguy
Our democracy is totally loused up.
But your system with a Queen , in her position by the grace of high birth, is really great?

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Let's face it, it's better than a two party corporate dictatorship, under the control of whatever egomaniac can spend the most money. Imagine calling yourself a dictatorship when you only have 2 possible choices.

reply to post by Urbanshadow

You know, I asked a simple question, I wasnt trying to fry his brains out or anything. I just wondered why someone would want more than one gun, like for hunting, army whatever reason, I dont know what it is like to even see a real gun...ok?

I have a number of guns, pistols mainly, a few different types of rifles and a few shotguns. I'm trying to think of something to compare it to... I guess I'm going to go with guitars. It's not just acoustic and electric, bass or 12 string. Take a few different acoustics and you get a different feel and sound. Same with the rest, and they look different, and are fun to collect.

So lets take my 4 shotguns. One I inherited and it is loved as a family heirloom (It really is a gorgeous meld of wood and metal even if you hate guns), one is set up for hunting, one for fun at the range/home defense, and one is great at shooting clays.

If there were some perfect all around gun I'd be a happy camper. There are a ton of different types, because there are a number of different shooting requirements.

If you get a chance, try it out! Shooting is really fun.

Also, remember not all gun lovers are redneck white guys. At my gun range on any given day there is more diversity than an example I can't think of. Old, young, women, men, black, white, Asian, everyone is a friend the minute they walk in. If only the world was more like my gun club.

reply to post by seabag


What I don't understand is how isn't the ATF a violation of the 2nd amendment? Any law abiding citizen in the US should be able to get a gun if they want one. No questions asked, a simple background check and that should be all. Then you have the liberals who say "then crazy people will be able to get guns" all you have to say is the Cops already have them.

reply to post by seabag


They are required by law to tell you why their is a hold.

Call and ask.

ATF - Identify Prohibited Persons

The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

These categories include any person:
Under indictment or information in any court for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
who is a fugitive from justice;
who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
who is an illegal alien;
who has been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions;
who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (enacted by the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, Pub. L. No. 104-208, effective September 30, 1996). 18 USC 922(g) and (n).

The Arms Export Control Act (AECA) prohibits the issuance of licenses to persons who have been convicted of:
Section 38 of the AECA, 22 USC 2778;
Section 11 of the Export Administration Act of 1979, 60 USC App. 2410;
Sections 7903, 794, or 798 of Title 18, USC, relating to espionage involving defense or classified information;
Section 16 of the Trading with the Enemy Act, 50 USC App. 16;
Section 30A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, 15 USC 78dd-1, or section 104 of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, 15 USC 78dd-2;
Chapter 105 of Title 18, USC, relating to sabotage;
Section 4(b) of the Internal Security Act of 1950, 50 USC 783(b), relating to communication of classified information;
Sections 57, 92, 101, 104, 222, 224, 225, or 226 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, 42 USC 2077 2122, 2131, 2234, 2272, 2275, and 2276;
Section 601 of the National Security Act of 1947, 50 USC 421, relating to the protection of the identity of undercover intelligence officers, agents, and other sources;
Section 371 of Title 17, USC, when it involves conspiracy to violate any of the above statutes; and
International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 USC 1702 and 1705.

If you get your carry permit back you can skip this step in the future.

With a CCW in my state you can buy any gun with no waiting period. I still have to fill out the app, but it doesn't need to be called in.

reply to post by seabag


Calm down trigger man. Is it like a 24 to 48 hour hold type thing? If you have already purchased weapons. ( ???why you need more is beyond me but....) you will probably get this one too.
Sounds like a I want it NOW kind of thing so perhaps its better if you allow some time. It certainly does not sound like a thread on ATS was in order.

reply to post by seabag

What did you expect? Is this your 1st time? Mustve been. Everyone here has to wait. At least for handguns.

reply to post by mysterioustranger


He wasn't trying to buy a handgun. I don't have a wait period when I buy a handgun. I think it was stated in the OP this was not his first firearm purchase from a dealer.