Alien Disclosure: Who has the most to lose - Governments or Religions?

reply to post by Kandinsky


Now this is more along the lines of what I was thinking. Too many people look at the idea of alien's with the same rose colored glasses they look at the idea of a savior of some kind. Just because a species has advanced beyond our comprehension doesn't mean they have solved their religious, social or societal problems.

Excellent perspective K.

reply to post by charles1952


Hi Charles, Obviously from your perspective, the idea of life elsewhere doesn't affect your belief in God negatively. But many religious people have a major problem with it. I'm sure you've seen the threads and posts that say ET's are demons come to deceive us all. And others believe the universe revolves around humans. Literally. I have heard both world-views preached from the pulpit when I was a Christian. Still others believe the Sun orbits the earth, because the book of Joshua says so from their perspective.

So for people like you, their feathers won't get so ruffled. For the hardcore fundamentalists, their world will come crashing down, and their rationale will most likely make them violent or suicidal.

Originally posted by boncho
Neither. Both would evolve to take advantage of the situation. The only case where it would be detrimental to government is if it implied that the government knew about it previously and lied about it, which I think would blow over quickly regardless.

Remember the whole "project blue beam" nonsense being spouted by the conspiratorial crowd. Supposedly the government is going to make a fake alien invasion...

So they cover up real ones to keep everyone from going nuts...
So they make up their own to get martial law or something....

Rather conflicting isn't it?

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I tend to think that you missed the reason for Project Bluebeam - it's a PSY ops to change beliefs from God to extraterrestrials. Let's face it - lights in the sky, supposed archaeological 'artifacts' and a boat load of science fiction has already convinced millions indoctrinated with the theory of evolution to ditch God and accept ETs.

It's worked. That is the whole point of it. Millions are now eagerly awaiting their 'creator and saviour' but - ta da - he's going to be an 'alien'. Jesus said that those who refused to accept Him would accept another. And instead of the Son of God they are getting the son of Satan - PB in a nutshell.

Hi.

The church and other faiths would probly adapt to the situation,,,kinda like another new testament or "so and so" version.
I have a sister is a JW,,,I will spare my thoughts on this.(lol)
But anyways,,I remember it first started out as only 100,000 would be saved I think,,but as the congreation grew well past that that number and guess what?
Yep,you got it.(they changed it)
Not knocking Jw's or any other beleifs,alot of do a lot of good to help others.
The bible,koran or the book of "whatever"can be 360'd in many ways.

As for the politicans?
Would not affect them in the least.
Because 99.99% are kept in the dark.

Think about this,the president probly knows close to zilch on alot of the black-ops operations.
He's busy 24/7 on everything else,sure at times he dabbles in them, but they probly are not the REAL black-ops.
Also think on this also,,do you think a president could say," I want tours of every secret base and see all the top secret stuff we have"?
Sure he could get a tour of the cafeteria,shake a few hands,see a new proto type of something.

Kinda sums it up when he asks his secretary of defense and asks about UFO's/ET's and they say they have nothing?

Kinda like theres another goverment, within our goverment?
They feed a few new high tech toys when needed.(?)

Many directions this could go,take a decade or 2 to soak in if ET's are real and visiting this planet if disclosure happened.
The goverment could announce it and some won't beleive them,LOL.

The politicans,they could use a good abduction, rate up the rear side, and I hope the ET's would tickle them under the armpit while it happens!

S&F

M

Apparently, the Vatican has no theological problem with the possibility.

www.nytimes.com... "Vatican astronomer cites possibility of extraterrestrial 'brothers.

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial "brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.

"In my opinion this possibility exists," said the Reverend José Gabriel Funes, head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict XVI, referring to life on other planets.

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, published in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

In the interview headlined, "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.

Originally posted by pteridine
Apparently, the Vatican has no theological problem with the possibility.

www.nytimes.com... "Vatican astronomer cites possibility of extraterrestrial 'brothers.

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial "brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.

"In my opinion this possibility exists," said the Reverend José Gabriel Funes, head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict XVI, referring to life on other planets.

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, published in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

In the interview headlined, "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.

Very interesting. I see this was about two years ago, so relatively recent. I would have thought this would have been major news around the world. Laying the groundwork for disclosure?

Clearly religion would be the loser. The major religions would collapse along with all the moral laws if it were proven that God is not who we thought he was. People would believe they could do anything without moral consequences. There would be no such thing as sin and it would affect other biblical beliefs. Homosexuality wouldn't be wrong. You see where this is all headed? The truth could prove that religion is man made and ancient people saw things they didn't understand so they called it God. Remember religion is a form of control. Without it, people would be doing all kinds of "immoral" things. I've always believed religion is the biggest reason for the cover up.

Originally posted by Greensboro1978
Clearly religion would be the loser. The major religions would collapse along with all the moral laws if it were proven that God is not who we thought he was. People would believe they could do anything without moral consequences. There would be no such thing as sin and it would affect other biblical beliefs. Homosexuality wouldn't be wrong. You see where this is all headed? The truth could prove that religion is man made and ancient people saw things they didn't understand so they called it God. Remember religion is a form of control. Without it, people would be doing all kinds of "immoral" things. I've always believed religion is the biggest reason for the cover up.

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Do you need God to tell you what is right and what is wrong?

How about the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, is that so complicated?

Neither. I believe big businesses, mainly energy and technology sectors have the most to fear...and lose.

I personally would love to see the face of creationists when/if this happens. It would be priceless.

One could argue: If there is/was a creator(s), I see no reason why they limited intelligent life to one planet, he/she/they could have created several variations on different worlds to see how each one evolved / adapted to their surroundings.

I would have to go with governments anyway, as I would imagine any evolved species that lasted long enough to make it out into deep space probably set aside the need for power and money long ago and would probably insist we followed, for our own sake.

reply to post by ufoguyintown

What??? The caption says alien caught on tape - FOX news. FOX is showing the tape and you think the Vatican is trying to hide it?? The Vatican isn't even mentioned anywhere in the video. Did you get the wrong video? I'm willing to look at another one.

Originally posted by Greensboro1978
Clearly religion would be the loser. The major religions would collapse along with all the moral laws if it were proven that God is not who we thought he was. People would believe they could do anything without moral consequences. There would be no such thing as sin and it would affect other biblical beliefs. Homosexuality wouldn't be wrong. You see where this is all headed? The truth could prove that religion is man made and ancient people saw things they didn't understand so they called it God. Remember religion is a form of control. Without it, people would be doing all kinds of "immoral" things. I've always believed religion is the biggest reason for the cover up.

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The funny thing is, that anyone that reads the Old Testament can already see for themselves that God is definitely not what many "Christians" claim Him to be.

Religion has the most to lose. Most major religions do not support the theory that there are other life forms in the universe, and therefore it would be a huge slap in the face if it was suddenly proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist (which mathematically they have to) so it's no longer an IF it's a WHEN it's proven...

Certain other people on this site stand to lose as well when the "real" aliens show up and sue for copyright infringement

Originally posted by vkey08
Religion has the most to lose. Most major religions do not support the theory that there are other life forms in the universe, and therefore it would be a huge slap in the face if it was suddenly proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist (which mathematically they have to) so it's no longer an IF it's a WHEN it's proven...

Certain other people on this site stand to lose as well when the "real" aliens show up and sue for copyright infringement

I have to disagree with you Vkey. What you are talking about is religious dogma. That can be modified.

The essence of all religions is belief in an omnipotent God, and the existence of beings more advanced than us does not disprove the existence of God.

If aliens were actually creatures from a distant planet, then our gov might have a problem but the thing is just this - and I have written this in a post ealier..


Aliens are not "aliens" that we are thinking of. They are not creatures from a distant planet. They are evil spirits from this world manifested into an alien like form, their plan is to trick humanity into believing they are aliens in the future. They are only here to deceive mankind.

Originally posted by maddog99
Neither. I believe big businesses, mainly energy and technology sectors have the most to fear...and lose.

are you kidding? Think of all the contracts Boeing, Lockheed and Rockwell would get. At a minimum, a huge and expensive space traffic control grid.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by maddog99
Neither. I believe big businesses, mainly energy and technology sectors have the most to fear...and lose.

are you kidding? Think of all the contracts Boeing, Lockheed and Rockwell would get. At a minimum, a huge and expensive space traffic control grid.

The rumor is that the service to other aliens proposed a deal to MJ-12: get rid of nuke weapons and nuke power and you will receive ET energy technology - but it must be free and available to all people on the planet. Apparently MJ-12 could not imagine relinquishing nuke weapons - so the deal did not happen.

Such a deal would be a threat to many entrenched interests in the utility sector.