This is a Sexist Thread! (Men's Rights)

reply to post by seeker11

HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! What's wrong with being a SEX OBJECT? I am a Front Man Musician in a International Touring Band and being a SEX OBJECT comes with the job!

When I see a woman who has made herself look Beautiful and Sexy...I don't condemn her nor do I condemn a Stripper who is making 5 times a week what the average customer that goes to see her makes. SEX is a part of life and anyone can look sexy. It does not mean you have to but it also means that there is nothing wrong with it.

I live with a Brilliant and Beautifully Sexy Woman. Her Brain turns me on even more so than her 10 PLUS looks. This is why I allowed her to pick me. She told me months later that of the many men that were surrounding her on the night we met...she chose me because I was the only one not trying to impress her. She said..That made me curious about you and the other guy's were Band Guy's as this was an after show party after a Tour of Multiple Famous Bands.

I did not call her back for 2 day's which she said DROVE HER NUT'S! But when I did call...she made all the arrangements for our first date. She is an Alpha Female and has Multiple Degrees...but yet we have a system where in areas I know she is more versed...I let her take point...when it is an area she knows I am more familiar...she lets me take point...but one thing we never do...embarrass the other in front of other people.

But as far as My Knowledge of her ability to be a SEX OBJECT Visually...I let her handle any Men who come on to her...as she allows me the same respect. What she will never do...and never has to as I keep a watch on her for her protection...is put me in a position to DEFEND HER HONOR! She knows what I sometimes do and would not place me in a position where I could hurt someone because they became violent. She is no push over either and can Bench Press close to 170 LBS now! I have been training her in defense but she never needs to use this as she can diffuse a problem with a few words. TALK ABOUT SEXY! Split Infinity

reply to post by borracho


I am sorry you have experienced insane women in your life. Sadly, I have experienced the opposite. Insane, abusive men starting with my father, a master manipulator.
My daughter's father physically abused me while pregnant. He tried to cause a miscarriage. Thankfully he left. Years later he attacked his wife in beat her with their children in the house. He was a mess for years.
I remember the girl across the street's father whipping her in the street. I remember classmates showing me marks on their legs from their father's belt.
A child in my school died when his father smothered him with his bedding.
These are just a few examples I can speak of personally.
But to suggest children are unsafe with their mothers is ludicrous. For every loony out there are the majority of mothers who would not harm a hair on their child's heads. We only hear of the bad ones, not the millions of normal households.
In the end, it will always be guys telling their sons women are all insane because of a bad experience, and women telling their daughters to watch out for abusive men..the cycle of division continues.

What has to be realized is that the women didn't make things the way they are right now, men did. I got aggravated just reading the original post because that really is how the world is these days. It's horrible. And like the OP said, men and women should be treated equally, not one better than the other. But I see more women defending men's rights than men themselves. I can't blame feminists, I have to blame the men for allowing it to turn out the way it did.

Originally posted by believingskeptic
And like the OP said, men and women should be treated equally, not one better than the other. But I see more women defending men's rights than men themselves. I can't blame feminists, I have to blame the men for allowing it to turn out the way it did.

As I've said before, men's rights advocacy is usually associated with both fascism and genuine, pathological misogyny, and these are not things that most men want to be associated with.

So we might very well acknowledge that yes, we get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways, but we don't want to join a group with the above characteristics.

I think another issue is that a lot of men have probably just given up completely, where women are concerned. I know that's largely true in my own case. There's a sense that trying to have a relationship means putting yourself in a completely no win situation. Loneliness might have its' own drawbacks, but it is a lot easier, and in some ways less painful, most of the time.

Originally posted by Nietrick
reply to post by arpgme

 

Masculine and feminine are not *just* social constructs, there are real, biological differences that go into it. I am generally speaking more to that than the social constructs.

There are some so-called 'feminine' men that are healthy and living life well. So there is not one way that a man is 'supposed' to be.

Originally posted by Nietrick
reply to post by arpgme

 

And since you brought it up, I was specifically thinking of how we tell our boys not to cry and encourage them to not share their feelings when I said what we do to them is tragic. Add to that disallowing them to rough house and be boisterous ( again telling them not to be who they are) when it has been proven time and again that males are more extroverted and willing to take risks compared to girls, and it early on becomes a pattern of boy = bad.

I really do not believe that these are "masculine" qualities. Humans are social beings. Staying true to oneself is only natural. This is not a problem of "boy = bad" rather "authenticity = bad" and this applies for both men and woman. For example, women are taught to be beautiful and to not have much sex like men, this is because - believe it or not - women are beings seen as the sex objects of society. They were taught to be that way.

Originally posted by Nietrick
reply to post by arpgme

 

You don't like the term emasculate. OK. How about demoralize? Belittle? Undermine?

Maybe you are using the term 'emasculate' in a different way than I thought. If you mean 'masculinity' then yes, I don't like it because 'feminine' men should not be seen as being 'demoralized' or 'undermined', just because they choose to be who they are and not fit the social-constructs. If by 'emasculate' you mean, not allowing men to be themselves, then it is not a gender problem but a problem with social constructs that try to force everyone to be a certain way.

Originally posted by Nietrick
reply to post by arpgme

 

Being naturally creative, or nurturing, or whatever feminine trait a boy may be is one thing, but being told you must be more feminine or you are bad is quite another.

I think the schools are actually doing the opposite. They are encouraging analytical thinking instead of creative thinking, they are teaching the students to obey authority rather than to nurture (care) if one is not being treated fairly.

Originally posted by Nietrick
reply to post by arpgme

 

To the chorus of folks ( I keep seeing and hearing this a lot) that say that masculine and feminine have no inherent meaning as a way to repudiate what they see as oppressive social constructs, I have to ask, do you really believe that there are no differences between the sexes other than genitals? Is there no baseline of male traits and female traits from which to form a frame of reference? And why does that reference point always have to be negative? To me suggesting...oh...let's say Justin Bieber.....is effeminate is as neutral to me as saying an 80 degree day in February is spring-like. It's not the norm for it to be that warm in winter,but pointing it out isn't saying that it's bad or good. It's just noticing.

If Justin Bieber were a South Korean (just mentioning one place - but there are many others) for example, he would not be seen as 'feminine', like I said, it is just a social construct and then people those others into these categories depending on what qualities are considered 'masculine' or 'feminine' in that country.

reply to post by believingskeptic


True equality also means taking responsibility for one's own actions. Just because the Elite funded the feminist movement does not mean all men did. In fact, it was mostly women who stood behind the feminist banner and worked towards establishing our current state of affairs. It's unfair and dishonest of you to suggest that men are fully to blame for everything that has transpired.

for everyone who disagrees with this thread, let me challenge you for a minute.

Reread the op, and use your imagination.

Let's pretend for a minute that the opposite were true and it were the women, not the men who got the raw end of the deal here.

What would be the difference? I'm sure women many of the posts would be the same, except the women who have had bad experiences with men (I'm sorry by the way) would be saying that things aren't fare, and men should have no rights in these areas (not much different than the current situation), and sadly their would be men saying women are all evil and b*****s and don't deserve the rights.

But fact is, the majority of people would not like this injustice and would fight like hell for equality. I know I would.

Originally posted by tw0330
for everyone who disagrees with this thread, let me challenge you for a minute.

Reread the op, and use your imagination.

Let's pretend for a minute that the opposite were true and it were the women, not the men who got the raw end of the deal here.

What would be the difference? I'm sure women many of the posts would be the same, except the women who have had bad experiences with men (I'm sorry by the way) would be saying that things aren't fare, and men should have no rights in these areas (not much different than the current situation), and sadly their would be men saying women are all evil and b*****s and don't deserve the rights.

But fact is, the majority of people would not like this injustice and would fight like hell for equality. I know I would.

edit on 9-6-2012 by tw0330 because: (no reason given)

I can speak for no one but myself.

I would tell whoever started that thread to look into studies over statistics. Look for the reasons 'why' statistics trend the way they do, and how much fault lies in the supposed victim. For instance, Domestic Violence statistics are skewed overall because of the amount of victims who return to the situation. At what point should I cease to care about a person who continues to put themselves in a dangerous situation?

I would also ask what the OPs activism looks like. Are you simply getting on the internet and complaining about your plight, or are you joining organizations, attending rallies, writing congressmen, and voting with you money? Ranting on the internet isn't going to change your situation.

If 'fighting like hell' means making a thread on ATS about it.. you aren't doing much of anything. What are you doing to protect your supposed rights violations?

Originally posted by tw0330

What you see is a bunch of men who wish for a fair system and a bunch of women who refuse to support this because they fear they would lose the advantage they have gained in those areas over men.

We don't want "fair" anymore than women do.

You have to admit to reality ... we're hunters, and we're hunting prey "food", that we can't hunt on our own. We can't go into the jungle, and hunt as we did hundreds of years ago. We can't even return to farming, the way did a hundred years ago.

But every man, living on this planet, wants to be a Acciles, and fight the battel of Troy. Every man alive, wants to be an adventurer, a hunter ... that's why all these movies are so "popular". We just can't get it, so we have to work together.

The point of it all is, that women aren't in the same situation ... women have no compelling reason to compromise with us.

Ok, let's look at Hustler, a very popular magazine ... probably still is. Maybe you have some similar magazine, displaying men ... but that magazine is only popular with "gays". An advertisement, showing the newest car ... with a beautiful girl, driving ... because the pretty girl draws your attention.

Because you are a hunter ... women aren't. Women have learned to "capitalize" on playing a "catch" (or prey) for you to drool at.

There is no equality here ...

What, do you think you can turn up in court and cry and have a judge feel sorry for you, because you look like the catch, that is better of to be let go and allowed to mature more? Because the "hunter's instinct", thinks this prey isn't much of a challenge? No, the judge will see you as any other hunter, not as a "defenceless prey", but as wild boar, worthy of a kill.

thinking of equality here, is childish.

Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by tw0330

What you see is a bunch of men who wish for a fair system and a bunch of women who refuse to support this because they fear they would lose the advantage they have gained in those areas over men.

We don't want "fair" anymore than women do.

You have to admit to reality ... we're hunters, and we're hunting prey "food", that we can't hunt on our own. We can't go into the jungle, and hunt as we did hundreds of years ago. We can't even return to farming, the way did a hundred years ago.

But every man, living on this planet, wants to be a Acciles, and fight the battel of Troy. Every man alive, wants to be an adventurer, a hunter ... that's why all these movies are so "popular". We just can't get it, so we have to work together.

The point of it all is, that women aren't in the same situation ... women have no compelling reason to compromise with us.

Ok, let's look at Hustler, a very popular magazine ... probably still is. Maybe you have some similar magazine, displaying men ... but that magazine is only popular with "gays". An advertisement, showing the newest car ... with a beautiful girl, driving ... because the pretty girl draws your attention.

Because you are a hunter ... women aren't. Women have learned to "capitalize" on playing a "catch" (or prey) for you to drool at.

There is no equality here ...

What, do you think you can turn up in court and cry and have a judge feel sorry for you, because you look like the catch, that is better of to be let go and allowed to mature more? Because the "hunter's instinct", thinks this prey isn't much of a challenge? No, the judge will see you as any other hunter, not as a "defenceless prey", but as wild boar, worthy of a kill.

thinking of equality here, is childish.

edit on 9/6/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

Here is an actual form of sexism in many respects and varieties, however the one I will address is the "This is how all men/women behave" scenario.

Humans haven't relied on "hunting-gathering" as a sole source for sustenance in about 10,000 years, yet the quote text has you believe that modern males have not transcended past this aspect of their psyche. In the same text, women (as the other) have transcended and learned to manipulate this supposed weakness in males "hunter's instinct".

Again, as with so much of the garbage posted here, it comes from arm chair gender scholars that simply spout what Dr. Phil has told them, or what they have seen in movies.

reply to post by Furbs


great, let's see your statistics you have

Originally posted by tw0330
reply to post by Furbs

 

great, let's see your statistics

That's all you have to say? Wow, what an intellectual you are.

Not only will I offer the statistical analysis, I will offer the methodology for gathering and understanding those statistics. It is a bit heavy, so I will help you if you do not understand it all, just u2u me or post in the thread.

www.dvmen.org...

reply to post by tw0330


Sorry but you do not have the right to complain until women at the sme career level get paid exactly what their male counterparts are paid, when our products and clothing go down to the price of men's apparel and products, and when you push a baby out of one of your organs.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by tw0330

 

Sorry but you do not have the right to complain until women at the sme career level get paid exactly what their male counterparts are paid, when our products and clothing go down to the price of men's apparel and products, and when you push a baby out of one of your organs.

edit on 9-6-2012 by ldyserenity because: (no reason given)

Men actually do have the right to complain. It is a First Amendment Right afforded by the Constitution of the United States of America. Others also have the right to not care under the same amendment.

Originally posted by petrus4
OP, I'd encourage you to fairly simply give up.

Yes, I largely agree with you that there are a lot of double standards where men and women are concerned; but I can let you in on a little secret here, which might save you some time.

There are a number of feminists in the world, who do not consider men to have the fundamental right to exist.

I'm not talking about these women wanting to subjugate men. I'm talking about a scenario where they literally want to remove and erradicate one half of the human species. They don't want us on the planet at all any more. We are considered redundant and disposable, and it is believed that there is no legitimate reason for us to continue to exist. Supposedly, men don't serve any useful purpose at all. Apart from a form of biological IVF, apparently we were just an evolutionary mistake.

My advice to you would be to recognise the genuinely decent women who do exist in the world, and make friends with them, as their friendship is worth having; but do not seek to get into a relationship. Do not bother to seek any recognition for the at times genuine social injustice that is inflicted upon men, either. You will fail utterly. Men are never considered, in this society, to ever be anything other than instigators of injustice themselves, and even most men have been indoctrinated to believe this.

I understand that as a man, I am regarded as being rubbish. I am considered disposable. I am considered literally worthy of being put into someone's wheelie bin, and emptied into a compactor.

As a result, I've made the decision that the worst thing I can do, is to acknowledge my own need for women; physically, psychologically, or in any other way. This is because, given the fact that many contemporary women view the male gender itself as being entirely redundant and worthless, a relationship with a woman cannot result in anything other than inequality, because I would be making myself vulnerable in ways which she would not be willing to.

edit on 6-6-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)

Just stay away from ones with long ring fingers. It's long for a reason.

reply to post by Furbs


no u2u, explain here genius

I actually have a life, so you can just post the statistics here for all to see. thanks


Obviously you yourself haven't found statistics backing up your arguments, yet you are badly able to argue my statistics and other statistics backing up my op.

So until then your posts aren't worth my time. have a great day and enjoy male your bashing life.

wow, talk about sexist. I don't think I've ever seen a man more sexist than many of these women are. but from this point on I will not be acknowledging any of them unless they can post an accurate argument against these rights for men.

thanks.

Until then I will count you as a troll.

up till now I have seen one legit argument and that is the pro-choice one. but what about the others.

If you would like to complain about women not getting rights, and seek support for the lack of certain rights, please feel free to start your own thread, and I will proudly support you, until then, this thread is about certain non-equalities for men,

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by tw0330

 

We are not even close to a place where we can rule together as equal's.

Maybe that's because we are not and will never be equal, ever considered that?

You want to discuss what isn't fair? Try being a woman in this world.

Oh, I think it would be worth it....the opportunity to have a child is something I have wanted for ages. As a woman all I would need to do is have a male impregnate me and give birth. Just a quickie would do it.

But I can't because I don't have a vagina.

THAT'S not fair!

Originally posted by tw0330
reply to post by Furbs

 

no u2u, explain here genius

I actually have a life, so you can just post the statistics here for all to see. thanks

I have already explained it, when I did, you asked for me to cite my explanation. This is why I posted the link to that paper. It isn't my fault that you not have the time or inclination to even read the information that you asked for.

Originally posted by tw0330
wow, talk about sexist. I don't think I've ever seen a man more sexist than many of these women are. but from this point on I will not be acknowledging any of them unless they can post an accurate argument against these rights for men.

thanks.

Until then I will count you as a troll.

up till now I have seen one legit argument and that is the pro-choice one. but what about the others.

If you would like to complain about women not getting rights, and seek support for the lack of certain rights, please feel free to start your own thread, and I will proudly support you, until then, this thread is about certain non-equalities for men,

Your non-equalities [sic] are non-existent, as I have tried repeatedly to show you but you are not interested in reading about. Keep beating your chest and screaming about how wronged you are though, if it makes you feel better.