Debunking the Real Delegate Count Website:

I have been asked how and where I have debunked the very poorly made blog: thereal2012delegatecount.com... Which wrongly gives Ron Paul way more delegates than he actually has. The ever changing format of this blog now has Romney at 755 delegates and Ron Paul at 229 Delegates in yellow.The Blog itself now has no complete numbers for any of the states except for the few states that had primaries last night. It has no totals so that one can check their math. Sometimes it has no links. It actually doesn't have links to half of their so-called data. It's a very poorly made map.

These people haven't had many numbers to twist in the last few weeks as it gave Romney his rightful delegate count in Texas and elsewhere. They have for some reason not updated the "map" for the primaries that were on-going last night. I am not going to hold my breath. What really strikes me about the site is that while Greenpapers does not want any donations, this site asks for them. Embedded with sneaky popups that force you to close a "please register here to create you own map" link has me, someone who works in the technology field scratching his head and concluding that this is a legit scam! I'm not even going to mention the video youtube link to some guy claiming that he knows what Rule 38 really means... Isn't that parroting the MSM?

Now, onto the math. Which I have done!

Rick Santorum Wins Louisiana: 20 National Convention Delegates are allocated proportionally according to the total statewide primary vote. The number of delegates bound to those candidates receiving 25% or more of the state wide vote is [20 delegates] × [candidate vote] ÷ [total statewide vote] rounded to the nearest whole number (rounding rules to handle too many or too few delegates are not known). www.thegreenpapers.com...

Rick Santorum Got 10 delegates in Louisiana. Romney got 5. 5 were uncommitted. Real Delegate Count States Ron Paul wins 27 of 49 Delegates. Romney wins 19. But there seems to be some confusion on the Real Delegate Count blog that it does not address. In fact, it doesn’t even link to this website since it has an obvious negative view of Ron Paul supporters. This site here: www.nola.com... tells a different story. “As a result, under party rules, Paul is guaranteed at least 17 of the 46 delegates to the convention at which Romney will almost certainly be nominated for president.” So you see there were not 49 delegates at stake. There were 46. It helps to have your facts right at first. Furthermore, the Real Delegate Count site magically gives Ron Paul 10 more delegates out of their butts! I guess they figure Rick Santorum Delegates, which are bound to him in Louisiana, are going to go to Paul.

It appears however, that Rick Santorum is keeping all of his bound delegates with him because yes, he too wants a speaking role at the convention. And yes, he too, is playing the delegate game. Since he too, technically never dropped out of the race, he just “suspended it.”

www.realclearpolitics.com...

www.newsmax.com...

Romney Wins Nevada: 28 National Convention delegates are proportionally bound to Presidential contenders based on today's caucus vote.A 3.57% threshold is required in order for a contender to be allocated delegates [1 / 28 delegates = 3.57%].For those candidates receiving 3.57% or more of the vote: The number of delegates = 28 × (candidate's popular vote) ÷ (total statewide vote). www.thegreenpapers.com...

So based on that math Romney got 20 Delegates and Ron Paul got 8 in the caucus. At the state convention in May, Paul supporters upset the Romney campaign by gathering 22 of the 25 national delegates. “However, Republican rules require the first vote at the national convention to reflect the results of the Feb. 4 caucus, which Romney easily won. That means 20 of Nevada’s national delegates must vote for Romney, while eight will be free to vote for Paul in the first balloting. While some Paul supporters voiced an intention to challenge the binding requirement, the campaign opted not to further antagonize the Republican National Committee, who has threatened not to seat the delegates if they ignore the caucus results and vote for Paul.”
m.lvsun.com...

Another blow to the Paul campaign is this, “The scenario is different in Nevada, where the state's Feb. 4 contest was binding. Some Paul delegates told the Associated Press this weekend they will adhere to party rules and support Romney this summer despite the convention's outcome.” news.yahoo.com...

Ron Paul Wins Maine: It states clearly on the greenpapers site that no national delegates are binding and it does not necessarily have to match the popular vote. However, they said this, “We will allocate the state's unbound 21 non-party leader delegates proportionally according to the popular vote for those candidates receiving 5% or more of the vote. This is a very rough estimate and will change by the time the state convention meets.”

On the second day of Maine’s convention which was held Sunday May 6, 2012 the delegates were elected. 6 district delegates are elected by caucus participants from each of Maine's 2 Congressional districts. These delegates will attend the Republican National Convention officially unbound to any Presidential candidate.
CD 1: 3
CD 2: 3
15 delegates are elected by the Maine State Convention as a whole. These delegates will attend the Republican National Convention officially unbound.3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the Maine's Republican Party, will attend the convention as unbound delegates by virtue of their position.

Greenpapers confirms that Ron Paul did in fact win the Main GOP Primary, and 21 delegates are awarded to him. Romney gained 2 delegates. 1 was uncommitted. Ron Paul spent the most amount of time, money, and effort in this state and was virtually unchallenged by the Romney campaign until they noticed Paul’s plan late Friday.
www.thegreenpapers.com...

Romney Wins Arizona: All of 29 of Arizona's delegates to the Republican National Convention are pledged to the presidential contender receiving the greatest number of votes in the Arizona Presidential Primary. www.thegreenpapers.com...

Despite attempts to boo Mitt Romney’s son off the stage at the Arizona Campaign and for them to elect someone else as head of the State GOP, Out of nine congressional districts, Ron Paul’s delegates won two positions, one each in CD 1 and 5. Platform Republicans, pledged to support the party’s nominee, won the other seven seats. Although Arizona is a winner-take-all state –with all of the state’s 29 national delegates allotted to a single candidate — we took a hit when the state decided to schedule the primary before March 6. seeingredaz.wordpress.com...

Rick Santorum Wins Oklahoma: 40 of 43 of Oklahoma's delegates to the Republican National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders in today's Oklahoma Presidential Primary. [Rule 18(h)]
www.thegreenpapers.com...

Ron Paul supporters again caused trouble at the state convention in OK where they tried to push through their own slate to support Ron Paul delegates, but failed to get enough votes. They booed one time Presidential Candidate Tim Pawlenty off the stage and got into more fights with Romney supporters. In response the convention delegates worked together to select a slate of delegates to and alternates to go to the national convention. The Real Delegate Count blog is obviously on the Paul supporters’ side and somehow believes that there’s was the official slate!
newsok.com...

Romney wins more Colorado Delegates: The Real Delegate Count site claims that Ron Paul had 18 Delegates supporting him at the Colorado state convention. But that was a rumor! What really happened was that Romney gained more delegates in Colorado. “To the relief of Romey backers, eight of the 12 at-large delegate slots, and six of the 12 at-large alternate slots went to Romney supporters. Former Congressman Bob Beauprez and former U.S. Sen. Hank Brown, both Romney supporters, were the top two vote getters.” www.denverpost.com...

Since no National Convention delegates are bound to Presidential contenders, the Precinct Caucuses do not violate the RNC's Tuesday 6 March 2012 timing rule. www.thegreenpapers.com...

Romney wins Texas and enough Delegates to Secure the Nomination: 152 of Texas's 155 delegates to the Republican National Convention are bound to presidential contenders in today's Texas Presidential Primary. [General Rules for All Conventions and Meetings. Rule 38. Section 8. f.]

The Texas Republican State Convention convenes in Fort Worth where the National Convention delegates are elected according to the results of the primary. [General Rules for All Conventions and Meetings. Rule 38. Sections 6, 7, 8, 9] Delegates are elected by Presidential Preference from the Congressional districts in which their candidate received the highest percentage of the vote, providing the candidate received 20% or more of the vote

National Convention delegates are bound for the 1st ballot unless "released from the pledge only in the event of death, withdrawal, or by decision of the candidate" [General Rules for all Conventions and Meetings. Section 10.b.1 and Emergency SREC meeting on 29 February 2012].
www.thegreenpapers.com...

I can go on all day about how wrong the blog, The Real Delegate Count is. But the truth of the matter is very easy to look up for yourself!

What a huge waste of time on your behalf. You debunked your own post with one simple line:

Romney wins Texas and enough Delegates to Secure the Nomination

It IS NOT possible for Romney to gain the nomination based on the actual delegate counts and the undetermined delegates that will not be determined until the convention.

I will not argue the point with you. Even the MSM has changed their tune based on the FACTS.

For someone who claims to not be a Romney supporter, you sure go through a lot of hell to try to prop him up.

Originally posted by freakjive
What a huge waste of time on your behalf. You debunked your own post with one simple line:

Romney wins Texas and enough Delegates to Secure the Nomination

It IS NOT possible for Romney to gain the nomination based on the actual delegate counts and the undetermined delegates that will not be determined until the convention.

I will not argue the point with you. Even the MSM has changed their tune based on the FACTS.

For someone who claims to not be a Romney supporter, you sure go through a lot of hell to try to prop him up.

Lol. Epic fail on your part JJ. The trolls continue to discredit themselves, and anything that comes off their keyboard from here on out.

*Patiently awaits the arrival of OutKast and TinFoil.*

Originally posted by freakjive
What a huge waste of time on your behalf. You debunked your own post with one simple line:

Romney wins Texas and enough Delegates to Secure the Nomination

It IS NOT possible for Romney to gain the nomination based on the actual delegate counts and the undetermined delegates that will not be determined until the convention.

I will not argue the point with you. Even the MSM has changed their tune based on the FACTS.

For someone who claims to not be a Romney supporter, you sure go through a lot of hell to try to prop him up.

Did you even read the long paragraph on texas or did you just point out something that you didn't like and claimed I was wrong?

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Did you even read the long paragraph on texas or did you just point out something that you didn't like and claimed I was wrong?

You're failing to see the point. You claimed that Romney grabbing Texas sealed the deal on the nomination. The truth and FACT of the matter is it DID NOT.

The entirety of your post is a moot point and again...a HUGE waste of time.

Originally posted by freakjive

You're failing to see the point. You claimed that Romney grabbing Texas sealed the deal on the nomination. The truth and FACT of the matter is it DID NOT.

He does have enough binding delegates so the ones that are unpledeged do not matter. State Rules matter more than the national rule which now has been amended. There are not enough unpledged delegates left to beat Mitt Romney!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by freakjive

You're failing to see the point. You claimed that Romney grabbing Texas sealed the deal on the nomination. The truth and FACT of the matter is it DID NOT.

He does have enough binding delegates so the ones that are unpledeged do not matter. State Rules matter more than the national rule which now has been amended. There are not enough unpledged delegates left to beat Mitt Romney!

edit on 6-6-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

Such weak and feeble attempts.

Check out This Thread

and subsequent video:

Originally posted by freakjive


Such weak and feeble attempts.

So all you have to back up is the poor sorry videos that I have already debunked. Ok. Since you are not pointing out anything wrong in my thread.

Do you know that each state has laws based on who gets allocated delegates and who gets binding delegates based on the popular vote? These laws are clearly stated and pointed out in my thread. You can do a google search for them. For instance in texas it states that delegates are bound to the popular vote winner who gets more than 20% of the state vote. In this case Mitt Romney. They are bound to Mitt Romney unless the candidate dies or drops out!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by freakjive

You're failing to see the point. You claimed that Romney grabbing Texas sealed the deal on the nomination. The truth and FACT of the matter is it DID NOT.

He does have enough binding delegates so the ones that are unpledeged do not matter. State Rules matter more than the national rule which now has been amended. There are not enough unpledged delegates left to beat Mitt Romney!

edit on 6-6-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

You might as well give up with this crowd. Even when Romney is given the nomination at the convention they will still think Paul is going to some how beat the fact that nobody voted for him. Pauls agenda in this primary and that of his followers have not been the same.

Originally posted by MrSpad

You might as well give up with this crowd. Even when Romney is given the nomination at the convention they will still think Paul is going to some how beat the fact that nobody voted for him. Pauls agenda in this primary and that of his followers have not been the same.

Its funny isnt it, that they stick their hands in their ears and cover their eyes and say lalalala and then in other threads they pound people to research the real facts. Well, these are the real facts!

IDT you can try to pass a misinterpreted youtube video in place of actual state laws.

Originally posted by MrSpad
You might as well give up with this crowd. Even when Romney is given the nomination at the convention they will still think Paul is going to some how beat the fact that nobody voted for him. Pauls agenda in this primary and that of his followers have not been the same.

That's a hilarious point of view given that you even participated in my last thread:
Ron Paul - Why he has won already!

While I would love for Ron Paul to gain the nomination, I realize that there are many factors to contend with.

Your boy in this thread is spreading lies as fact and needs to be called on it.

Originally posted by freakjive

Your boy in this thread is spreading lies as fact and needs to be called on it.

Please point out all the lies in this thread.

There are none!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Its funny isnt it, that they stick their hands in their ears and cover their eyes and say lalalala and then in other threads they pound people to research the real facts. Well, these are the real facts!

IDT you can try to pass a misinterpreted youtube video in place of actual state laws.

edit on 6-6-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

Really??



GOP Rules - 2008 Adopted

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Texas State Law: the 155 delegates that Texas sends to the Republican National Convention will vote for the Presidential Candidate that they are assigned to vote for proportionally based on the statewide Texas Primary Election results. After the first vote, these 155 delegates will then be released to vote for any candidate they want.

hardincountyconservatives.blogspot.com...

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The Federal Law superceeds the state law.

The Texas State law holds no water in this debate, only the federal laws matter.

The delegates are legally, all unbound.

~Tenth

Originally posted by freakjive


Are you #ing illiterate?? Reread the rule I posted above.

Then you post a blog as a source after complaining about a youtube video. That's rich!

I don't appreciate cursing on my thread! Especially personal insult + cursing!

You can look up the rule which is linked on the greenpapers site. It's firstly stated in my OP! Just type Greenpapers + Texas in google. Texas recently changed their rules and that was a person closely following the Texas convention.

Federal Government has no impact on state conventions and how they award delegates. It's funny how the Ron Paul supporters are calling for a large government mandate to do something it doesn't even do! The RNC made the rule so that the state can decide to do whatever they want with their delegates. The delegates still have to follow state rules as pointed out in every state that I debunked from the real delegate count site!

Please continue to point out the next so-called lie that bothers you. I will be happy to prove you wrong again!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

The Federal Law superceeds the state law.

The Texas State law holds no water in this debate, only the federal laws matter.

So you want big government to elect someone who hates big government??

Don't you see a problem with that?

reply to post by jjf3rd77


That has nothing to do with anything.

I never said I wanted Ron Paul to win, I'm just stating factually, that all delegates, according to federal law ( for which the NATIONAL Convention, falls under) are all unbound.

It's not a misrepresentation of facts, or lies or wrong.

It's simply the truth. Federal Law trumps state laws when it comes to this issue. So it doesn't matter what states have on the books, if the law states that all delegates are unbound, then they are, and there's no penalty for changing your delegate vote at the convention.

~Tenth