Non-Hybrid seeds please!!!

Okay, this is a particularly annoying subject to me, because I really wanted to stock up on herbs the way I have with meds, but after the things I've found out about wal-mart herbs, I don't wanna buy them anymore. I want to grow them.

I would also like to grow my own food, but I'm in an apartment and that would be pretty challenging, so for now, I'll stick to growing herbs in the windows. Problem is, I can't find seeds, for food or herbs, anywhere that aren't hybrid seeds.

For those who don't know, hybrid seeds are two or more different species of plants combined into one plant seed, and after they produce a plant, the plant's seeds will not produce anymore plants. Basically, they're only good for making one plant, and after that, they're useless. Ever see those ugly round watermelons at the store that are seedless? They're genetically altered, and they're grown with hybrid seeds, and the plants can't reproduce (that's why the watermelons come out seedless, see). By the way... I HATE those mutant watermelons. They're half the size and twice the price. I want REAL watermelons, the beautiful giant juicy ones... ahhhhh....

ANY way, non-hybrid seeds are becoming so rare, they're damn near impossible to find (because the government doesn't want us to be able to grow our own stable food supply, they want us as dependant as possible, but that's a different story), I would really like to get started on growing herbs, and eventually, when I get a home with a yard, growing a little food.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get non-hybrid seeds? I know you can order them from Infowars and Prisonplanet, but I don't think I could afford the shipping price (if it comes to that, I'll do it, but I'm trying to explore cheaper options).

Please help me out. This is important!!! Does anyone know where to get non-hybrid seeds?

A quick google search will lead you to many websites that supply non-hybrid/heirloom seed sources.

Ferry-Morse is a organic seed brand.
Botanical Interest is another brand that comes to mind.
Not sure if non-hybrid and organic are the same thing, but I think it is.

heritage or heirloom labels = non hybrid. I can mail you a pack of something not sure if it'll be intercepted at the border though lol

Feed,Seed,Fertilizer,Chemicals, ECT. Is my livelihood, I'm 4th generation in the buisness. Hybrid seeds can be saved, but hen you replant the seeds, they will come back to what they were originally crossed up with to produce the hybrid. The plants tat will grow off these seeds usually are not worth a damn.... If you'd be interested in buying non-hybrid seed, I could tell you my company name & we'd be glad to sale you he seed, but you'll have to pay shipping and handling.......I don't know if it is permitted for me to give out such info, but if it's, I'd be glad to sale anyone seed, though ideal primarily with vegetable seed (Peas,butter beans,snap beans,corn,okra,squash,mustard,turnip,watermelon,tomatoe,pepper,pumpkin,cucumber,ECT)

My 2 sources I've had very high germination success rates:

www.victoryseeds.com...

rareseeds.com...

Really wild (out there) types of seeds:

www.kitazawaseed.com...

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I am in the UK and use realseeds.co.uk


Great small company run by a family dedicated to heirloom seeds

Sadly, they dont ship to the USA... However, they have recommended these guys based in the US...

Seed Savers Exchange

Good luck with the herb growing, I take my hat off to you for wanting to use heirloom seeds

Oh yeah... you can also successfully grow lettuce in window boxes! and, if you have a really sunny window, even peppers and chillies (although slightly more challenging)


ETA - You got a big ole S+F from me

Maybe I'm off base here but is there really such a thing as non hybrid seeds anymore?

Haven't they cross bred plants for hundreds of years?

I remember seeing (on tv) the corn plants in the early days of the colonies. They looked like crap. Spindly stalks and puny ears.

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In gardening terminology a cross bread is different to a hybrid. A cross is simply that... crossing of two varieties.

A hybrid (or F1) is also a cross, but is done using specially selected plants that will often not go on to produce seeds that give you the same characteristics as the parent plant and often have poor germination rates, or fail to even produce seeds of their own. This makes them a poor choice for someone who wishes to collect their own seeds and not be shackled to the corporate seed companies. Also, the seed companies have now started patenting their crosses so that only they can produce them!! Can you believe that?? They have even branded nature!!

The other downside to F1 and F2 Hybrids is standardisation... We are sold this image of the perfect long, thick and very orange carrot (which is great)... But carrots come in many shapes and sizes... Purple carrots, short stumpy carrots, long thin carrots, each having their own unique flavour and use. And this goes for most Veg. But sadly we are losing all of the unique heirloom vegetables due to the popularity of the hybrids. Personally, i love the unpredictability of nature and find it a little bit exciting to know that each carrot i pull from the ground is a little bit different from the next one. I do not like the sterile uniformness of the hybrids and feel that it takes away the feel of nature. But thats just me i guess, being a gardening freak

Peace


ETA - Sorry for the waffle, but just wanted to add that strictly speaking you are correct in that almost all Veg is the result of years of crossing. If you really do want Original (as nature truly intended) fruit and veg then you have to go wild foraging for things like wild strawberries, crap apples, berries, wild garlic, sea cabbage etc...

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Buy Heirloom seeds only

Originally posted by tkwasny
My 2 sources I've had very high germination success rates:

www.victoryseeds.com...

rareseeds.com...

Really wild (out there) types of seeds:

www.kitazawaseed.com...

I've had great success using seeds from rareseeds.com, too, so i'll second the recommendation of that site.

Do you have a patio at your apartment? I love re-purposing things and, though it might now be new, i recently saw a really great re-purpose for an old plastic shoe organizer - the kind that has 3 - 4 pouches across and 4 rows going down ~ a pouch per pair of shoes. They had poked small drain holes in the bottoms of the individual shoe pouches, filled them with potting soil and planted a vertical herb garden. If you have a patio where the use of the exterior wall is yours, it would increase your growing space.

In case you're interested, i found a pic on pinterest: Repurposed Shoe Organizer

It's not that hybrid seeds do not produce a yield, it's just that - due to the specific cross-pollination to produce a particular quality or attribute - the seeds may not produce predictable results, similar to the parent plant. The fruit may not be as high of quality or as healthy or as bountiful. Or it might. There are no guarantees.

Also, hybrid does not mean GMO.

i think a lot of people get it wrong that hybrid=GMO when that isn't the case.

GMO is a hybrid, true, of a type that most people find highly undesirable.
GMO is always hybrid, but a hybrid isn't always a GMO. Hybrids are not always patented either, and some hybrids are patented, but aren't GMOs. It's confusing unless you really understand what's going on and the nature of each thing.

Personally I prefer many hybrid tomatoes, because I have grown some of the old heirlooms and had to deal with wilt disease and I'd rather not do that again! Many hybrids are better at resisting disease and that's a good thing, IMO.

I try to stay away from GMO seeds and seeds that are patented. I like the old hybrids that are now out of patent. For instance, silver queen corn or roma (not roma vf) tomatoes.