I am not elightened. I have a low-vibrational field. I am addicted to fear. I am a sheep.

So whats your favorite scary movie?



You almost sound bitter at people who have discovered more to life.
Just an observation.

We are perfect in our imperfection. Like the perfect cherry blossom, which can never be found, the beauty is in the flaws.

If we were perfect, then there would be no point to living/learning/experiencing.

We are responsible for our emotional/metaphysical and enrgy wellbeing.

You get what you put out, like a karmic boomerang.

Reach out to someone for help, they are all around you, perhaps you just need to open your eyes a little wider.

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We are perfect in our imperfection.

That was beautifully put.
And 100% true, it is not about being perfect, if everything was perfect, we wouldn't grow spiritually, and would probably be very bored with ourselves.

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I too, get annoyed with these types. The "love and light" crowd. Alas, but we must respect them. The mystical side of life and things has intrigued me since I was a small child and discovered magic books on my grandma's bookshelf, and listened to tales that I coaxed out of her about winning at the racetrack after doing a spell or chant...or making a bothersome person move away. I actually learned to read by perusing through these books. I have endured or experienced my share of "paranormal activity" in my lifetime, which of course, led me to question everything. I have had a random gypsy come up to me from nowhere to tell me that I would lead a life full of adventure. So far, she has been correct, though it hasn't been the Indiana Jones sort, more of the spiritual type. This is a very brief synopsis of my path thus far. I have learned many lessons along the way. In fact, I look back at my former self, and I am just now overcoming the shame of who I once was, and mistakes I made, and becoming able to laugh at my foolishness and stupid errors.

Of course, I would not DARE claim that I am "enlightened" now (and probably will never truly be in this life except by Divine Favor) but, I am aware that I have grown past what I used to be. I see more, and I understand more and I am able to work with more facets of this puzzle because of the past. Even the past mistakes are blessings should you ponder and reflect upon them. My advice, don't take this thing called life too seriously. As it is said, no one is getting out alive anyway (in the physical sense at least). Also, be wary of people claiming to be "enlightened" that have messages or 'teachings' to share with you. The only guru you need is your own heart. No one can know your walk, that is why it is yours. You take from it all what is in you to take, and you become what is already within you to become.

Im sorry that you feel that way and have been thru that. Save me a seat at the bleachers if you can. I hope you get the realease soon.

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You seem to be a product of the mainstream media...

Theres nothing to fear but fear itself

Have no fear...ALL will be saved

We are body and spirit... and the spirit never dies.

So smell the freedom my friend

I remember when i used to be like this. It sucks. Emotional and irrational self inflicted negative illusion. When i used to think this way, i was sooo ready to suicide myself.

There is room for change and growth and positivity and spirituality.

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I disagree on a few points:
1) I don't believe in a god right now (i am agnostic)
2) I do not believe our world is headed for a demise (i am cautiously optimistic)

Life is a trial. A gauntlet. Nobody chose to be here. But we do the best we can.

I am posting here to say you're no alone, nor special.

We're humans. On earth. In orbit around our sun. Moving towards The Great Attractor. And whatever lies beyond it as well. We're surrounded by sextillions of stars and massive expanse.

If the sun were a soccer ball and the earth a sphere about 1 to 1.5mm wide then pluto would be about 3000 feet from the sun and the earth about 60. The nearest star would be over 3000 miles away. The nearest galaxy would be located roughly 2 billion miles from our star. The observable universe would extend out some 33 trillion miles, but how much further it goes past that is a mystery because it could turn out that we're in a fraction of the universe and, sadly, the great bulk of it will never be seen because its light will never reach us. And I mean NEVER. Ain't that irritating?

Fortunately, the observable universe has plenty of room by our standards.

Originally posted by Akragon
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Theres nothing to fear but fear itself

Sorry to digress, but this has to be one of the worst clichés ever conceived. I bet FDR wished he never said it. Fear is important. It shouldn't be "feared" but embraced and mastered.

How can you fear fear? If you could, you'd have to also fear your fear of fear, and so on to infinity. It is a reductio ad absurdum.

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Why fear? Why be afraid of anything at all?
Are you afraid of death? To me, it's exciting, we either find out what's awaiting us, or our energy gets recycled into earth, and we are given a new body, new mind, and memory is erased until our species ends. That's my thoughts on that.

You say you are a sheep. Aren't we all, though? We will never know the truth unless it is presented to us, and it will not be.
The best thing to do, when you admit you are a sheep, is become a sheep who cannot be contained. One who constantly jumps over the fences, one who bashes through the fences. One who helps other sheep jump the fence. Sure, the sheep dogs and the masters will eventually kill us or throw us back in the fences, but what would be more annoying to them? Watching a bunch of sheep sheep around, or constantly have to change things to keep those sheep contained?

Let that simmer.

Originally posted by Trappenin
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Why fear? Why be afraid of anything at all?

Methinks the OP was posted in jest.

Originally posted by jonnywhite


If the sun were a soccer ball and the earth a sphere about 1 to 1.5mm wide then pluto would be about 3000 feet from the sun and the earth about 60. The nearest star would be over 3000 miles away.

Methinks this would be a great metaphor for how far so many people in this thread missed the point.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by Akragon
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Theres nothing to fear but fear itself

Sorry to digress, but this has to be one of the worst clichés ever conceived. I bet FDR wished he never said it. Fear is important. It shouldn't be "feared" but embraced and mastered.

How can you fear fear? If you could, you'd have to also fear your fear of fear, and so on to infinity. It is a reductio ad absurdum.

Feel free to disagree...

If you "embrace" fear as you say... you are ruled by said fear...

It is a primal instinct... and something that should not be "embraced" as you say...

one should understand his/her fears and overcome them...

Fears hold you back in life... there is no progression when one "embraces" his/her fear

Originally posted by lupodigubbio
I am not enlightened because I admit I am blind. I am not holier than thou, I don't have special understanding of esoterica and hidden knowledge brings me no joy. I will not fight with you over the best seat in heaven, the bleachers will suffice.

I have a low vibrational field because I can't contain my emotions, especially anger, when evil prevails over good. My vibration is low because I can't manifest a ferrari, a mansion or lots and lots of cash. My consciousness doesn't seem to be shifting this year, I have no ascension symptoms and I can't see your aura or channel Ashtar. I don't see 11:11 everywhere and I am not indigo.

I am addicted to fear because fear is readily available, cheap and was fed to me since the day I came out of my mother's womb. I am fearful because I see our inevitable demise. I am fearful because of the slight chance God may be exactly as he is portrayed.

I am a sheep because I have been slaughtered. Because I am part of a ritual; a sacrifice.

I have to admit, this isn't the post I expected from the title of the thread. Very .... deep
Good explanation of the human condition and the reality that we all try to deny exists. Although you have come to terms with what we all are, you are here and ready to try to rise above it.
Very interesting thread and post, S&F, I look forward to your future contributions!

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by Akragon
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Theres nothing to fear but fear itself

Sorry to digress, but this has to be one of the worst clichés ever conceived. I bet FDR wished he never said it. Fear is important. It shouldn't be "feared" but embraced and mastered.

How can you fear fear? If you could, you'd have to also fear your fear of fear, and so on to infinity. It is a reductio ad absurdum.

Fearing fear is depression.
Humans feel fear (anxiety) when there is nothing to fear presently, it is felt inside and the person wants to escape that feeling, they resist it and that causes the symptoms of depression.
Feel the fear. Feel what ever you are feeling because it is life happening. Whatever feeling is passing through will pass through, nothing can stay unless you fight with it.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Fearing fear is depression.
Humans feel fear (anxiety) when there is nothing to fear presently, it is felt inside and the person wants to escape that feeling, they resist it and that causes the symptoms of depression.
Feel the fear. Feel what ever you are feeling because it is life happening. Whatever feeling is passing through will pass through, nothing can stay unless you fight with it.

I realize this thread started out as a tongue-in-cheek commentary, but things are getting quite serious here.

Fearing fear is anxiety, not depression. People who suffer from extreme anxiety will have a panic attack just from thinking about being afraid of crossing a bridge or speaking in public, or whatever causes their anxiety.

While some people do use the terms "anxiety" and "depression" interchangeably, they really are not the same thing. Granted, some people do suffer from both anxiety and depression at the same time.

Depression, though, is emotional pain and internalized emotion. It is may be caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, psychological trauma, past/current abuse, loss of abilities, loss of important relationships, and so on.

People who suffer from depression DO feel their feelings, they DO feel their thoughts of self-hate and worthlessness and helplessness and hopelessness, and they feel them every second of every day. This is why depressed people start to think that death would be the best solution - it seems like the only way to escape that pain.

I have already told you before, Itisnowagain, it is a slippery slope where depression is concerned. People who have major depressive disorder who read your advice to "Feel what ever you are feeling because it is life happening" may take it to the extreme.

Yes, we do feel what we feel for a reason, but we need to focus on the root of those feelings and learn to understand why we are having negative feelings.


If we do not understand the root of the emotion, it will just return over and over, and it will be just as potent and just as negative and just as painful every single time.

With understanding, we can learn how to manage and counteract that emotion, so that when it arises, it can be acknowledged, understood, and balanced.

What we all need to feel is self-compassion.

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I have suffered from depression and i have been on antidrepressants twice.
I have experienced depression and anxiety, i did for many, many years.
I am cured now and i know the way.

Have you suffered with depression?
Did you find a cure?

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Self compassion is allowing the self to feel whatever it is feeling and still loving it. Self compassion is not telling the self to cheer up and be happy. Be with the self no matter what it is expressing, do not expect it to be something it is not.
Running from the self when it doesn't feel 'good' is the problem, you cannot escape the self. Be with what is occuring 'internally' and there will be no resistance.

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Originally posted by Itisnowagain

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I have suffered from depression and i have been on antidrepressants twice.
I have experienced depression and anxiety, i did for many, many years.
I am cured now and i know the way.

Have you suffered with depression?
Did you find a cure?

I do suffer from depression. There is no "cure" for it, because what makes me feel self-hate and worthlessness and hopelessness and helplessness is me. Or, rather, the life I have lived.

All I can do is accept myself as I am and understand: It wasn't my fault. I am responsible for my life today, my life yesterday already happened, my life tomorrow can be as good or as bad as I make it. So, today, I must make my life good.

To do so, that means hearing those bad thoughts, but not allowing them to fester and grow. Instead, I look at them and see them for what they are: conditioned responses hardwired into my brain as a defense mechanism against a harsh environment in which I existed for nearly two decades and then denial and pain that I existed with and just accepted for another decade. Perhaps I will eventually get to a point where I can stop those thoughts before they start. But, not today.

Self compassion is allowing the self to feel whatever it is feeling and still loving it. Self compassion is not telling the self to cheer up and be happy. Be with the self no matter what it is expressing, do not expect it to be something it is not.

Yes, I know this. This is why I stated it is what we all need: acceptance and love for oneself and all of our troubles, worries, faults, and mistakes.

Just as we feel compassion and understanding for others, so we need to feel these toward ourselves. By being kind and understanding to ourselves when we feel these things, we can alleviate that suffering we would otherwise feel.

Running from the self when it doesn't feel 'good' is the problem, you cannot escape the self. Be with what is occuring 'internally' and there will be no resistance.

All too true. But, this is a process.

Personally, I give myself a hug when I start to feel badly. It does cheer me up. And, even though that old self is carried with me in my memories, I am not her. I am me, this me that is good and this me that deserves love - from myself and others.

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Unconditional love for the self is unconditional love for one and all. When one accepts the self no matter how it feels and embraces the passing feelings, life is felt, life is lived.
Life can only happen now but humans are attached to the past and are also attached to feeling good. Life (this moment is life, yesterday is dead) shows itself to itself, it gets to experience. It gets to experience the whole range of sensations but humans have attached themselves to 'good' and run from 'bad'. Feel as deeply as you can whatever you are feeling and you will see it disolve and behind that feeling is something quite extraordinary. The looking at the feeling, feeling the sensation of fear or anxiety is quite different from looking for a cure in the future or in the world (mind). Look directly at the feeling, try and locate it and feel it as much as you can and see what you find. The mind will not want to look because it is only the mind that fears, the mind believes that if it went there it would certainly die.
The attachment to feeling good and the belief that i can make tomorrow better, the belief that if i am good, life will feel good is the root of depression and anxiety. It is a pulling away from the self, the not wanting the self as it is, not accepting the self as it is.

The true self knows that all things, feelings, emotions, events, situations and thoughts are passing, nothing stays.
The true self is just a space, a clear, still, quiet, empty blissful space of awareness that allows all things to come to pass.
Find your true self and the depression and anxiety falls away quite naturally.

The true self says nothing, it does not judge or expect, it just sees and knows the happening as it is happening. The true self is blissfully aware.