My personal Vetting Of Barack Obama: I am now a birther

reply to post by jjf3rd77


I thought you were already a birther jjf3rd? Ah well, thanks for clarifying that for us now.

Good riddance to Obama. He should never have been elected and was never qualified for the role.

HIs associates and agenda are anti-America
His qualifications were suspect
The busses of illegal voters raise questions on the vote itself
He always does the opposite of what should be done
His extreme spending is even more damaging to the economy than the twin tower attack
The nation will forever be in debt which may be one of his agenda goals, take America down a few notches and damage from within

I can't comment on life in America and it would be unfair for me to comment on what kind of job Obama has done with regards to running America itself or even on whether or not the guy is an American citizen by birth right or not.

One thing I will say is that when he was running for power, he reminded me a lot of Tony Blair, a dubious charachter promising the great times to a desperate people who honestly wanted change. I do believe all the great con artists of the world are also similar.

On the international front people were expecting a man of peace, but when we look in to it, Obama has been far from a man of peace....

- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
- Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
- Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
- Conducted military operations within Pakistan itself
- Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war
- Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
- Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
- Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
- An agreement with Australia to deploy 2500 troops

And that is just the tip!

As for his birth place, nobody will ever find out the truth, unless he upsets someone who put him in the position that he is in and he has to be removed from office.

From my point of view and this is strictly as an outsider looking on more at what Obama has achieved internationally, the man is no different, if not worse, than Bush. I honestly can't see for the life of me what is different. He has more capable speaking skills than Bush and appeals to a wider audience, even now, as the face of change, but to me nothing has changed!

Has anything changed in America? Have your freedoms been enhanced? Have companies started playing fair with the employees? Have the mega rich given back more to the poor? Does your dollar go further now than it did? If the answer is no to all these questions, then you have to question what exactly was the change that Obama promised? From the outside, it was just a change to a more aggressive global military campaign.

Just to add, I'm not anti-America and I would rather a world with America at the helm than China or Russia for that matter.

reply to post by Masterjaden


You're wrong. By your logic, every American who doesn't know who their father is would be considered ineligible.

Proof that your assertion is not true, is that it isn't enforced.

Obama's father wasn't an American citizen and he IS president. SO, my daughter could also be, someday, is she so chose to run! FACT!

^ Lynch v. Clarke, 3 N.Y.Leg.Obs. at 250. "Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Do you know any black people or have any black friends?
Many I know will refer to Africa as "home" or "homeland" much like Irish Americans will say similar things about Ireland.
I think you're just intentionally manipulating a use of words in that particular instance.

I could not care less about where he was born at this point. If anyone is spewing that kind of hatred on any race they do not qualify to lead any nation.. Its quite sick how people still follow this man and claim hes a "great president"... I honestly cant believe how mindless most of the US population is, they see one 5 second clip of someone and all the sudden they follow that person as if they know their entire life story.

And sorry I hate to play this card but it is the truth, how come no one ever says anything when it comes to racism towards white people? You all know damn well that if we had a white president with a book talking about his hatred for black people that he would be out of the white house before we could snap our fingers.

this president insults my intelligents
I do not know why they keep calling him the pope of North America.
There is a lot of good stuff on
The Obama File

theobamafile.com...

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This is a political website. It is an opposition website. It is not encumbered by any requirement to be fair and balanced. It is only obliged to avoid ugly rumors and anti-social expression. The agenda is simple and clear. It is opposed to a socialist sitting in the Oval Office -- especially one that employs teams of lawyers and the legal system to hide his questionable background from the American People who are entitled to know who's working for them

edit on 30-5-2012 by redneck13 because: n

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

Do you know any black people or have any black friends?
Many I know will refer to Africa as "home" or "homeland" much like Irish Americans will say similar things about Ireland.
I think you're just intentionally manipulating a use of words in that particular instance.

I've never understood this, if people refer to a place that many have not been to as home, how can that be so unless these people want to actively return to said homeland? I could say Ireland is my homeland, its not, my mum is Irish, my Irish nan brought me up for the most part, but I class myself as English and England is my homeland, where I was born and raised and always have lived.

I've never understood how people could refer to a place that they have never been to as home? A place that if many went to they would struggle to live there as home? Is it a sense of identity? A sense of belonging? To me, if you're born and raised in America, you're American, much the same as here in England, but we have the same. Africans, Asians, you name it, many, even though you would have to go back several generations, will still claim to be Pakistani, Jamaican, Nigerian etc etc, yet none have any wish or desire to ever live in these countries. Is that like having your cake and eating it?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

I thought you were already a birther jjf3rd? Ah well, thanks for clarifying that for us now.

Nope I just hated his policies. Read the book it will change your mind. I don't understand how this thread got so popular so fast. It's kinda silly honestly. I am a birther, but your not going to see me at tea party rallies holding up birther signs. That's not my way!

I didn't do this for ATS virtual publicity. I did this to spread information and facts, like all my posts. Sadly, this thread has been hijacked however, nobody against the birther movement has really come up with anything concrete to battle with

So I don't think anyone has stated this yet, but there is a reasonable argument put forth by this smart guy Jack Cashill that Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams of my Father". He cracked the case wide open and after watching this video of his presentation (originally aired on CSPAN) I am convinced it's true. Kind of sickening, having a former terrorist like Bill Ayers ghost write his book. Definitely worth a watch. Check it out:

www.c-spanvideo.org...

Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

Do you know any black people or have any black friends?
Many I know will refer to Africa as "home" or "homeland" much like Irish Americans will say similar things about Ireland.
I think you're just intentionally manipulating a use of words in that particular instance.

This is what I mean, if you want to defend yourself is the race card all you've got? What about everything else in my OP? Kenyan Born Obama all set for US Senate says it all for me! Did you even read the book?

Originally posted by TheJaberwocke
Come on guys. I realize this is a conspiracy forum, but COME ON.

You guys are claiming he wasn't born in the US based on circumstantial evidence at best. You completely bypass both forms of birth certificate (which, tbh, I will believe factchecker, official investigations, and Hawaii dept. officials over you any day), the newspaper announcements (which couldn't be faked, and even if they were it would imply Obama was planning on running for president since before he was born), AND common sense (so Obama's mom, who was 7 months pregnant in Hawaii, flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama so she could...be a really bad planner?).

People call birthers racist because, lets face it, they want 'their' America back. A white America.
You wouldn't care about where GW Bush was born, where Clinton or Reagan were born. When you ask a the first black president where he was born, yes, it kind of paints you as a little racist. You may or may not realize it, but there you have it.

Its kind of like saying "But more black people are put in jail, so I am right in saying black people are more violent".

ATS, please just suppress all these birther threads. Its honestly embarrassing that they make the front page.

OHHHHH Another race card. Honestly, this is the only defense I am getting from the other side. I would love to hear other facts. Are there any? Don't call me a racist, back up your claims! How could the media mess up all of these things? They are questions!!!!!! Perfectly logical questions.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by jjf3rd77

 

I wouldn't vote obama, but if it down to him and romney id take obama again. You want to give romney a chance and he will turn out awful but we will be stuck with him even longer (8 years likely).

You keep saying that you wouldnt vote for Obama but the very scenario you are describing is one is which Obama would love for you to be in. He will force you to vote for Obama or Romney and you vote for Paul, the same reason I am voting for Romney. Both of them love this country and both of them love the constitution. Obama doesn't!

Obama is i think the worst President this country has ever had. Romney will be better than Bush maybe close to Reagan. Why the heck would you vote for Obama?

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Obama is i think the worst President this country has ever had. Romney will be better than Bush maybe close to Reagan. Why the heck would you vote for Obama?

Respect
a womans right to choose, gay people able to do what they want and marry who they want.
proper funding for scientific endeavors

I think the religious right and their culture wars have had enough time driving the country into walls.

There is NO substantial proof whatsoever that indicates that President Obama was born in Kenya. Birthers say that there's all this "proof" that keeps mounting against Obama but where is it? Every case that has been taken to court over this matter has been dismissed and thrown out.

Birthers have had almost 4 years to come up with substantial evidence, but the evidence is not there.

I'm done with birther threads.

I think my time would be better spent debating whether or not Unicorns ever existed.


deuces!

Why does it matter either way? I get that it's a law, but i see no purpose in that law. People that get so hung up on this are clearly against an immigrant running the country, so maybe they should worry more about the fact that immigrants can be elected to congress. That's a more powerful position than president.

Given that you have admitted to being a kook*, of what value are you expecting the visitors of ATS to grant to your vetting?

*birther

well this sure explains the anty truther BS on this thread
TAX PAYER FUNDED PAY CHECKS!

Just prior to his appointment as President Obama’s so-called regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein wrote a lengthy academic paper suggesting the government should “infiltrate” social network websites, chat rooms and message boards.


Such “cognitive infiltration,” Sunstein argued, should be used to enforce a U.S. government ban on “conspiracy theorizing.”

Among the beliefs Sunstein classified as a “conspiracy theory” is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.

www.wnd.com...

minions die hard

and broke
what a sad sad waste

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Here is a suggestion for your next thread starter in order to remain in your chosen genre:

"This is my opinion, btw, I am stubborn, unreasonable, and not very smart."

Obama czar proposed government 'infiltrate' social network sites
Sunstein wants agents to 'undermine' talk in chat rooms, message boards

from my above link

have no fear OP:
sock puppets!