Fury as school girls forced by teachers to lift up their tops to prove they aren’t hiding mobile p

reply to post by Nspekta


I was fuming when i first read this story the other day but the more i read, i have to confess, the more my anger subsided. For starters, it was female teachers examining rather than male teachers. It wasn't done in front of other people. Most importantly, for me anyway, the reason it happened is because the metal in one of the girls' bras set off the handheld metal detector they were using to "scan" for phones - rather than just standard strip searches.

That said, it still seems wrong it should go this far. If it was my daughter i would be totally fuming with the school concerned but then if it was my daughter she wouldn't have a mobile phone on her to go to school - what does she need it for?

I like zero tolerance on phones in school (and other gadgets that have no place being there). I do not like strip searches........so this is kind of a grey area for me......not quite one view or the other.......

reply to post by mileysubet


Not buying it, easy to turn off a jammer in an emerg. There are intercoms, panic buttons AND land lines ...


There are quite a few ways to get help in an emergency, you DO NOT need a cell! I've lived for 40 years without one. I've had various emergencies and I'm still here!

Maybe it was an improper search and unfair to the girls who in fact didn't have a phone stashed but they lifted their tops in front of female teachers imo no worse than the "shower inspections" we were subjected to in 9th grade PE.

We had to parade wet and naked in front of our rather mannish coach to get checked off for taking a shower. Some girls didn't want to mess up their hair/makeup by taking a shower which drove our coach insane.

Yep good ole shower inspections worse yet the boys had to swim naked in the old pool. Parents never seemed to have a problem that. We were little more than cattle with absolutely no privacy or rights. I went to school in Gary, IN so maybe that explains it.

Since I had a father that would back me. They wouldn't get me to raise my top. They'd have to call in my parents. Otherwise it's time to kick some people.

I don't agree with what happened was correct, as it seems very wrong and humiliating for the children involved, the children should of refused and got their parents done to the school or police involved.

Simple solution is to fine the parents of the children that take their cell phones to school, why would children need a cell phone at school they don't simple as that, another thing could be that all cell phones are handed in as they enter the school and get them back at the end of school, since when did children need cell phones at school really should be adults only.

If a parent decides that they think their kid should have a phone on them at all times, it's none of the school's business. As long as they aren't playing with it in class, it is not their concern. If they get caught playing with it in class, then by all means give them detention. Simple.

Yet another absurdity in the school system, one of many that makes me proud to homeschool. There is no common sense left within the bloated school systems anymore.

reply to post by Nspekta


I just don't see what the big #ing deal is with cell phones in schools. It can be distracting if it gets out of hand but any teacher paying attention would notice people messing with their cellphones and could therefore in-act disciplinary measures like detentions for texting in class and worse for calls. perhaps multiple detentions or suspension after repeat offenses. It's not like they can't use the phone between classes...it's not a weapon...it's a phone...what's the #ing hang up?

this a in Jest, this is NOT a serious statement...........................(for the reading impaired ONLY)

Ya'll could just buy some TSA scanners from the good ole' USA, have them at each door, problem solved....

(of course the whole "child porn" thing could be an issue)..

Having Cell jammers and a "hot" button to turn the Jammer off and also have it tied into the Fire alarms would be the Ideal solution to this problem.. (but then the Teachers wouldn't be able to be Texting in class either, for some this may even seem a win/win)

If I had children, well, they could have any cell phone they could afford to pay for, I'm not going to pay for that, and ANY cell phone (active or not) can be used to call 911 emergency (in the US). So yes my children most likely would have Cell phones ( just no service )....

Whatever happened to parents teaching their kids that when somebody tries to sexually assault them, they have the right to say no?

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by Invariance
... so this school can afford metal detectors but no one ever thought of a jammer ????

Schools are government institutions, they are allowed to get them. If my daughter was in that school, I assure you that some people would be unemployed very soon!

I don't feel that a technology for jamming a cell phone signal would be a goof idea, only because if a student or staff needed to call 911 or emergency services then they could not.

I also do not think that banning cell phones is not the answer, they need to teach the kids that there is an appropriate time to use cell phones, and that time is not durrign class. For the students that insist on using their cellphones during class impose harsh punishments, such as detention, trash pick up school grounds,etc...

I'm all for cell phone jammers. At my high school there was a land line phone in every single classroom and one on the main floor. You can still call 911 using land line phones. Install the cell phone jammers and some land line phones and you are good to go.

Was a little bit shocked to read that that happened in Surrey but that town has a really bad reputation for violence & gang activity.
I'm pretty sure the detectors they had were brought in for finding any weapons kids bring to school and not for cell phone detecting

School is the indoctrination into the prison society where you get naked because you may be a terrorist, right at the same time that tsa is naked scanning everyone. Sickos run society.

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
This is just another story that makes me embarrassed to be an educator. The policy in my school is that you can have them on your person, but the first time you're caught using it, it goes into a locked drawer in the teacher's desk and not returned until a parent picks it up. The kids know the rules and the parents support the rules. At the first school I worked for, my drawer turned into a "June drawer" (can't get your stuff back till the last day of school in June) because the parents told their kids that they shouldn't have been using them in school (unless it was an emergency) in the first place. I had many parents tell me to keep the phones, game boys, iPods, etc. until the end of the year. I had the school purchase me a small safe to keep everything in, as the old fashioned lock drawers are easy to break into. I had quite the haul at the end of the year.

Making young girls lift their shirts to prove that they didn't have cellphones on their person? Ludicrous. Someone should be fired over this.



-TS

Your schools are a little nicer than the schools here when a phone goes off in class you just lost your phone for good. No matter how much the parents complain they are not given back. The school then donates them to the abused women's shelter.

The teachers were just following the rules of the school so they don't deserve to lose their jobs. If the parents are mad over this then they need to get involved with the schools to change the rules.

reply to post by buster2010


That's called theft in most civilized parts of the world..... I am surprised you still have any students, I wouldn't let my kids go there. A school has zero right to take kids personal property like that.....

reply to post by buster2010


Well, I'm sure the rules of the school don't include strip searches, which this practically was. There was no reason for ANY teacher, female or not, to ask these young girls to lift their shirts. If I were a teacher in this district, I would have raised a stink with the union and the school board over this on behalf of the girls.

And yes, we're a bit nicer but only because it's a rural district and kids are more respectful (mostly children of farmers). I've only had to confiscate one phone this year, and I knew the child's parents. I called them on my lunch break, and they said "Good. Give it to the secretary and we'll pick it up once *Johnny* has learned his lesson."

At my last place of employment, laser pointers were a huge thing. The day I got one pointed in my eye was the day that I started collecting them and donating them to the science department. I kept a few to myself as well. My dog enjoyed chasing it. Cellphones, video games, etc. went into my June safe until the parents came to pick them up. Like I said in my last post, most of the parents told me to keep the electronics until the end of the year.


-TS

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by buster2010

 

That's called theft in most civilized parts of the world..... I am surprised you still have any students, I wouldn't let my kids go there. A school has zero right to take kids personal property like that.....

Yes, in that case, it IS theft. Some school districts even have a "Parent/Student Contract" that outlines provisions for electronic devices, and perhaps the last poster's school has a provision for cellphone use that includes confiscation and forfeiture of said device if it become a problem. Some districts that I know of have had to resort to that. The parents signed away and agreed with the school's policy. They are very distracting. Spend time in a classroom trying to teach kids when half of them are texting away. Makes you want to smash all the cellphones. In my case, I give them one warning, and then it's "mine" until their parents come get it (per school policy). The same goes for toys, games, etc. (I work in an elementary school, and all that stuff can be distracting). I would never dream of taking them "for good," however....just doesn't seem right.


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-TS

It should be obvious to everyone why they would not use a jammer. Then the teachers and administration would not be able to play with their cell phones. Let's not forget the double standard that is often imposed in schools. "Do as you are told, not as yousee done!"

How about the schools get over their fear of new technology? Speaking as someone who recently finished high school, I find it hilarious how they're trying to restrict use of ubiquitous technology just because "it's distracting." Here's the fact of the matter: school is completely irrelevant in the digital age. In the year and a half I've been out, I've learned more and accomplished more online than I ever did in class. What's the point of schooling when you've literally got the entire sum of human knowledge available at your fingertips for free?

For the students that insist on using their cellphones during class impose harsh punishments, such as detention, trash pick up school grounds,etc...

reply to post by mileysubet


-Detentions- A lot of students don't show. They would rather ignore them and get a (3) day vacation (Out of school suspension).

-Pick up trash = Considered cruel and unusual punishment.

I know the cell phone problem and IPOD use in the inner city schools is a huge problem. Students won't hand over their cell phones and teachers can't force them. All they can do is give them an office referral. In the mean time, they will still text and use their phones in class.

I always said students who were repeat offenders should be given one week of boot camp. The school district would hire a retired drill sergeant. Students would have to wake up at 5:30am, report to the gymnasium at 6am and do morning calisthenics, than pick-up trash and help clean the school and bathrooms. Hire a retired drill sergeant. Guaranteed a majority of these repeat offenders would change their ways.

It would stop student apathy, reduce student drop-out rates, reduce classroom disruptions, help reduce child obesity, improve student respect for teachers and their parents, improve student grades, and at the same time help keep the school clean and prevent it from falling into disrepair. With all these positive benefits why don't school districts across the country implement it?

Oops, never mind you can't do that, it's considered cruel and unusual punishment.

wtf ?

I would lawyer up in 5 minutes, just to make the school sweat and admit they are wrong , apologize to those girls and put it in writing they will never do it again

oh, and free ice cream for a year

Originally posted by palg1
Imo this is just really being blown out of proportion because someone plans to sue.

Agree. The school has rules and they are being enforced. People complain when kids have no discipline and are subject to lax teachers who let them get away with murder, and then complain when the teachers try to impose discipline.

What's the fuss? ATS is full of drama queens, stirred up by the righteous Daily Mail!

I have kids and rely on teachers to enforce school discipline.

Also, in a point to note. The school is in England. These are mobile phones and not cell phone.

Regards