DIY shampoo/ whats in commenrcial shampoo?

you are going to compare the chemical elements of natural ingredients to synthetic man made chemicals like laureath sulphide?
you notice that those names of the chemicals in the herbs are kinda different?
As i said, you get that 90% of those chemicals are not added for your hair but to thicken, emulsify, preserve, color, smell?
You still think its normal for 19 chemicals in a shampoo to be put only to do that...while only 1-3 chemical they put to actually wash your hair?

you get that a herbals hampoo made with herbs by yourself still contains the vital energy of the plant and all his natural oils. What does a synthetic chemical shampoo contain? where is the chi?

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I've always wondered that.
I mean, you're rubbing it INTO YOUR HEAD ffs. (not saying that I believe it's true, but I've always had the thought in the back of my mind.)

I had a hair dresser tell me once.
the reason that "salon shampoos" are so much more expensive is because theres less filler. less wax.
the more filler = the more you can produce for less money.

dunno. S#'sF#edup!

yes, most chemicals you rub in your hair, a % of them will go be absorbed through your skin.
You know how important is blood circulation through your head for the well being of your skin and hair?
what happens when you introduce those chemicals, what happens when those chemicals enter your blood?

Now im not trying to be a FEAR PORN kinda guy. i have provided you with a recipe to make your own shampoo.
its cheaper and easy to make.
and thats how i roll, i always give you a way to CHANGE something bad, a recipe...a way to better your life.
not just fear morger without doing anything.

Originally posted by apporro
you are going to compare the chemical elements of natural ingredients to synthetic man made chemicals like laureath sulphide?

I guess this is in response to my post. The answer is yes. Kalisdad is going on about sodium sulfate, well it is a naturally occuring chemical. There are lots of chemicals in nature that are harmful.

you notice that those names of the chemicals in the herbs are kinda different?

Well, one of the chemicals in the list is "1,8-cineole". It does look kinda different but if you write out its chemical name "1,3,3-trimethyl-2-oxabicyclo[2,2,2]octane" it looks a lot like some names on shampoo labels. its MSDS states:

Harmful by ingestion. May be harmful by inhalation or through skin contact.

You still think its normal for 19 chemicals in a shampoo to be put only to do that...while only 1-3 chemical they put to actually wash your hair?

Sure, I understand that they are using lab grade chemicals and that these don't have the complexity of natural substances which contain many different chemicals in one ingredient.

you get that a herbals shampoo made with herbs by yourself still contains the vital energy of the plant and all his natural oils.

No actually I don't. How long does this vital energy last? Does manipulation by a person change it? You know making extracts from the herbs and mixing the extracts with other extracts and other ingredients, maybe even alcohol to keep the tincture from growing stuff.

What does a synthetic chemical shampoo contain? where is the chi?

Well it has the energy that flows through all things in this universe. Is that a trippy enough answer for you?

i cant talk about chi because i cant really prove it.
believe me i am ALL for altruism, and using science to cheat mother nature in every way possible.
but in this day in age, when big pharma wants us dead, i think every shampoo in the store is garbage.
they INSULT ME by putting laureath sulfate in a shampoo and calling it herbal.
do i look like a retard?
laureath sulfate isnt really that needed in a shampoo even.
Now they started adding it into toothpastes too, so whats this new thing that laureath sulfate has to offer?

we will just have to agree or disagree. im for all natural, and my shampoo recipe doesnt need alcohol or glycerine.

Originally posted by apporro
but in this day in age, when big pharma wants us dead, i think every shampoo in the store is garbage.

Really they want us dead? I think this is where the problem is. They can't make money off of you if your dead so why would they want that?

they INSULT ME by putting laureath sulfate in a shampoo and calling it herbal.

I think you mean natural. Well it is made from coconut oil.

Let me give you an example of something that is processed but many take as natural. If you take fresh milk, straight from the cow, separate the cream then agitate the cream it becomes butter and whey. That substance does not exist naturally in nature. It is man made but nobody has any trouble considering it natural. That is what they are trying to do with labeling laureath sulfate natural.

laureath sulfate isnt really that needed in a shampoo even.
Now they started adding it into toothpastes too, so whats this new thing that laureath sulfate has to offer?

It foams better than other detergents and people believe foaminess means better cleaning.

im for all natural, and my shampoo recipe doesnt need alcohol or glycerine.

Sure you're shampoo doesn't but many natural, organic, herbal or whatever you want to call it preparations do and people have no problem calling them all natural.

Thanks for the thread on shampoo. Here's a link for the Chinese Herbs shampoo I bought at the Tao of Wellness clinic in Los Angeles:

www.peterlamas.com...

The above link lists only some of the shampoo ingredients. According to its label, however, its ingredients are: Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine (Coconut), Sodium Cocoamphoacetate, PPG-2 Hydroxyethyl Coco/Isostearamide, Ammonium Cocoyl Isethionate, Lauryl Glucoside, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Sodium Lauryl Glucose Carboxylae, Codonopsis Tangshen Root Extract, Glycyrriza Glabra (Licorice) Root Extract, (a bunch of other botanicals), Glycerin, Citric Acid, Sodium PCA, Quaternium-80, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Formate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Phytate, Phenoxyethanol, Caramel, Alcohol Denat.

About half of these ingredients are certified organic. This is the purest commercial shampoo I can find that is unscented.

I just showered...Excellent post, OP
I think I have some organic shampoo around here somewhere...

Ah, the shampoo conspiracy. Do you know that the more shampoo you use the more shampoo you need to use? Commercial shampoos strip your scalp of its natural oils which your body then overcompensates for by producing even more oil. That's why you end up looking like a grease ball after only a few days without shampooing. In the early 1900's when sudsy shampoos came into vogue they were intended to be used only once every couple of weeks. Now how many of you shampoo with every shower? Shampoo is also incredibly drying to hair, but they developed a new chemical cocktail for that. Conditioner!

Folks, stop wasting your money and dousing yourself in chemicals. You only need two things for fabulously clean, shiny, manageable hair and you probably already have them in your kitchen cabinet. Baking soda and apple cider vinegar. That's it. Easy, dirt cheap, good for the environment, and good for your hair.

For shampooing: Mix a few tbs of baking soda into a cup of water, dump over head, massage and rinse. Easy. You'll get that squeaky clean feeling without stripping out all your natural oils. Resist the urge to do this at every shower. Baking soda can be tough on hair if used too often. You'll want to aim for once a week. Don't worry, after a while the body adjust back to normal sebum production and you'll be able to go longer and longer without washing. Simply rinse hair well with water in between shampoos or rub some cornstarch into dry roots and brush out to degrease while your body is still adjusting.

For conditioner: This is the best beauty secret I have ever come across. EVER! Add a few tbs of apple cider vinegar to a cup of water, pour over hair, and rinse. Done! You will NOT smell like a salad, I promise. After rinsing and drying there is no scent at all. The acid in the vinegar normalizes your PH and causing the scales of you hair to lie flat. The result is silky, shiny hair. I didn't believe it until I tried it myself.

Since I've tried this I have not gone back to regular shampoo and conditioner and I probably never will. There is no reason to. My hair looks and feels better, and you can purchase these ingredients at the dollar store. It's really a no-brainer.

For all you guys out there that don't like the poo.............

Shave your head that will get rid of dandruff pronto. Hair is dirty anyway I hate it and i'm told i'm more sexy looking without it.

Thier are plenty of ways to look and be clean without all the chemicals you can't even pronounce.

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I brush my teeth with baking soda never used it in my hair though. The stuff is good for alot of things.

Almost 35 never had a cavity not a fan of toothpaste either.

I developed allergies to some things in soap and shampoo. I started making my own soap. Its just lye and everyday cheap oils. Use it as soap and shampoo.

It is really easy to do, just have to do it right. Don't just put some lye and oil together and hope for the best,, OUCH.

This site helps a lot:
www.soapcalc.net...

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Excellent post!

This is what I was hoping to read in here. Going to try this tomorrow.

Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by apporro
as for toothpaste, i have been experimenting trying to keep the mixture thick, but even with apple pectin, the water goes on top after a day and it hardens. glycerine is out of the question.
i should try arabian gum to keep the soda, salt,water and peppermint together.
i wonder if peppermint would in time make my teeth greeny...

I recommend using the age old tooth cleaner.... toothpicks

I only brush my teeth once a month or so to get rid of the staining from smoking and coffee

I clean my teeth with toothpicks after every meal and throughout the day to get rid of buildup
I haven't had a cavity in many many years

You are kidding me? about the teeth cleaning? As a smoker you must be prone to gingivitis...you breathe must reek of turd!!

You can not be serious about comparing a "natural" chemically isolated ingredient such as sodium laureth sulfate to an actual plant or food that contains the ingredient.

Once you isolate a chemical from a natural source and then synthesize it in a lab this is where most of the problems start. In a plant for example, a chemical can exist in its natural form but it is also interacting with many other chemicals in that plant. When this said plant is used as a whole you get the full experience of the cocktail of ingredients. This is why using foods or safe herbs raw rather than processed is always that better route to go.

A quick example of this is the ephedra plant. The many species of this plant have been used throughout history for medicinal purposes without any ill side effects. It has been used to treat asthma, hay fever and the common cold. Now fast forward to present day and you'll see that ephedra in many drugs and supplements has caused serious side effects and deaths. It was recently banned as an ingredient in dietary supplements as a result of this.

When nature gets its genes spliced and modified, its creating a whole new species that will behave and work completely different than the original product.

Originally posted by kushness
You can not be serious about comparing a "natural" chemically isolated ingredient such as sodium laureth sulfate to an actual plant or food that contains the ingredient.

I guess you are referring to my post. I am serious.

Once you isolate a chemical from a natural source and then synthesize it in a lab this is where most of the problems start.

If you don't know the difference between isolated and synthesized then that is going to be the sticking point.

A quick example of this is the ephedra plant. The many species of this plant have been used throughout history for medicinal purposes without any ill side effects. It has been used to treat asthma, hay fever and the common cold. Now fast forward to present day and you'll see that ephedra in many drugs and supplements has caused serious side effects and deaths. It was recently banned as an ingredient in dietary supplements as a result of this.

What you are pointing out with this example is dosage. Irresponsible use and difficulty in handling and metering out doses does not mean the chemical itself is different.

When nature gets its genes spliced and modified, its creating a whole new species that will behave and work completely different than the original product.

I agree and it has been done passively for thousands of years and actively for a a few hundred. It even happens naturally, so I would rather not throw out a blanket statement on whether it is OK or not.

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I like how you ignored the part about chemicals working together with one another naturally as part of a whole. Also when you say it happens naturally I assume you mean through evolution. Since nature has been doing it for millions of years, it has had plenty of time to adapt and perfect itself. Man has been doing it on the molecular scale for only a few decades for monetary gain mostly. Who do you trust more?

Back on topic though, I hear stale beer is suppose to be a good for the hair.

Originally posted by Infi8nity
Same with toothpaste. I believe toothpaste does more harm then good. I stopped using toothpaste and started to use my own baking soda mixture and I have seen my teeth get very white and healthy. I had a small bit of flurosis and now I can hardly see it. I only use it 3-6 times a week and its done more then any tooth paste I have used.

Just mix baking soda, fine salt, prickly ash bark, and peppermint powder.

You really don't need the salt, prickly ash bark or the mint...in a pinch just good ol' baking soda has been used by me (when I couldn't afford toothpaste). But now I use it with just the mint oil (Essential oil)... just because it works so much better and costs next to nothing really 88 cents for the baking soda and 4.50 for the essential oil, that you use only like 5 drops in a week's worth of the concoction.

Originally posted by kushness
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I like how you ignored the part about chemicals working together with one another naturally as part of a whole.

I did say in a previous post that shampoos have to be made up of many chemicals because they are using pharm grade ingredients that consist of single chemicals and that natural ingredients have hundreds of chemicals in them.

Also when you say it happens naturally I assume you mean through evolution. Since nature has been doing it for millions of years, it has had plenty of time to adapt and perfect itself. Man has been doing it on the molecular scale for only a few decades for monetary gain mostly. Who do you trust more?

Nature doesn't adapt and perfect itself, the plants and animals that want to survive adapt themselves to it. Also, man has been doing it through selective breeding for thousands of years.

Who do I trust more? Neither. Nature has thrown its share of death at humans and before the guys in lab coats existed life expectancy was half of what it is today.