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Originally posted by liejunkie01
Once you understand how a hurricane operates, in theory you can change the outcome.

In theory. When.

We're not there yet.

If you want to believe otherwise, fine. But science doesn't work on faith (or the claims of snake oil salesmen)

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

OK...forget that...again...what is your take? Split Infinity

My take on what??

The U.S. Military has the ability to effectively change a Hurricanes track since the Early 1970's although some have stated that this ability as available in the late 60's.

There is not alot of information you can look up on this but what you can look up that gives one a line of Logic to follow is shortly after the Early 70's Tests...there is all sorts of information that anyone here can look up as to the development of rules and treaties that BAN any countries experimentation or direct intervention by any means that will change the course of a Storm especially Cyclonic in Nature.

There are programs that the U.S. was performing during the Cold War that are so secret and so complex that it surprises the hell out of Historians who are charged with documentation of 60 year old Military Opps.

Never underestimate the ability to look way outside the box as far as Black Opps. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
The U.S. Military has the ability to effectively change a Hurricanes track since the Early 1970's although some have stated that this ability as available in the late 60's.

There is not alot of information you can look up on this but what you can look up that gives one a line of Logic to follow is shortly after the Early 70's Tests...

Why don't you tell us where to find it - it'll make convincing everyone so much quicker.

there is all sorts of information that anyone here can look up as to the development of rules and treaties that BAN any countries experimentation or direct intervention by any means that will change the course of a Storm especially Cyclonic in Nature.

Yes...the possible ramifications of being able to do so are quite obvious - but that's not proof of being able to alter hurricanes.

There are programs that the U.S. was performing during the Cold War that are so secret and so complex that it surprises the hell out of Historians who are charged with documentation of 60 year old Military Opps.

Never underestimate the ability to look way outside the box as far as Black Opps. Split Infinity

so no actual evidence then - just you saying it must b so because you want it to be - gotcha!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

LOOK...I can give you so much and the rest will have to be up to you to figure out. NSA Directive # ****** 1967...asssociative Program that includes cover for creation of Rain Via Cloud Seeding to provide relief to Mid Western farmers during drought. 1967 was not a drought year.

U.S. Coast Guard Request for an additional 11 C-130 Hercules Cargo planes built by Lockheed of which were not of the A Model and were designed closer to the C-130E which was and Electronics Warfare Plane that could carry and release Pods.

Coast Guard denies ever recieving these planes.

!973 Fidel Castro directly blames the United States for an abnormal change of track of a Hurricane of which year I am not sure.

1974 and 75...Secret Missions of a nature that the U.S. Hurricane Tracking Station and Aircraft Base is not allowed to fly inside the eyes of several Hurricanes to take measurements while this other program is going on and a Complaint is brought forth to Congress of which the complaint describes that due to the National weather Services inability to perform their jobs in a timely fashion...Lives could be lost. The complaint was never heard.

You can get the rest yourselves. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


What "rest" - you haven't actually bothered to provide any credible info at all - just a bunch of stuff which may or may not be true - you haven't identified any documentary evidence to support it.

If you want to be credible it is up to you to provide the evidence - saying "I know it exists but I'm not going to tell you what it is or where you can check it" is pretty childish.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Think about this...how long would I be allowed to post here if I gave you specific information. I have given you all you need to figure this out. That is as far as I will go. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity

Think about this...how long would I be allowed to post here if I gave you specific information. I have given you all you need to figure this out.

Well if you want to get people to actually believe what you are talking about you need to at least provide links or all your doing is telling us a story and haven't backed it up with anything verifiable.

As far as posting specific info,well what makes you think that you won't be allowed to post after giving said info?

reply to post by SplitInfinity


So, if the military can "steer" hurricanes, why have they never done it?

Surely meteorologists would have noticed this happening.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

First of all...I don't really care if someone believes what I post or not. Secondly...I have only posted information that is public...forgotten...but public never the less. The only think I could not provide was a specific reference number but with the amount of information I posted...even a Jr. High School Kid doing their Homework could put together the pieces with a computer.

So if anyone here is saying that I am not providing a source...learn to do your Homework. Split Infinity

reply to post by adeclerk

The program to be able to change a Hurricanes path began shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Some very smart people who had an idea that Targeting a specific wall of a Hurricane...I know a bit about it but will not post this information here....that by changing the amount of H20 in a specific band of an interior wall of a Hurricane would destabalise the entire entire cyclone sort of as example...if you have a top that is made out of wood and the wood on one side of the top is heavier than the wood on the other...as you spun the top...the heavier side of the top would create a trajectory that would be similar every time.

Now weather has alot more factors but one thing is certain...Hurricanes start as Micro-Sand Particles from the African Continent get blown by wind into the Atmosphere into the equitorial Atlantic Ocean. These Micro-particles quickly have the super humid air attach water to them and they turn into Ice Crystals which are CLOUDS. As these clouds cross the Atlantic and toward the Islands near Cuba, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Yucatan Penninsula...etc...they turn into cyclonic Tropical Storms which may turn into Hurricanes.

Once a Hurricane reaches the Gulf Stream...it quickly is shot up the United States' Eastern Seaboard as this Ocean Current is the Fastest as well as Strongest in the World as well as it being not only an Ocean Current but an Atmospheric Current. The warm waters around the tip of Florida provide a Hurricane to rapidly gain in strength and they can obtain interior cyclonic speeds of over 200 MPH.

If you know where to weaken...or STRENGTHEN a particular Cloud Band near the interior wall...this Mass will change the track of the Hurricane. The issue is that although it is possible...there are so many factors that you may make things worse.

As far as using it as a Military Weapon...the Cold War is OVER. CHINA has placed all the cards in the hands of the United States. Russia is of little threat. And...THANK GOD...the ECONOMY OF THE UNITED STATES IS RAPIDLY RECOVERING! I KNOW THIS...not because some politician told me but because my Familiy ownes Multiple Companies of which I help run and we are seeing the change right now. MARCH...was a disaster and ever since...Growth is OFF THE CHART! Many other Friends that own companies I know are also seeing this. If this keeps up...and we believe it will as Home Building and Renovation is picking up pace FAST...the United States will rapidly reach a unprecidented recovery.

The U.S. is the Worlds Largest Economy...and if it recovers...so does the rest of the world. When people are making money...wars tend to not be in the picture. Still...the United States Military is at a level and within 22 Months will be IMPERVIOUS TO ICBM, SUB LANCHED or SLBM'S as well as being virtually impossible to attack with any bomber wings....and the ONLY area it needs work in is protecting the Cargo that comes into port on a Massive Scale as the U.S. is the Worlds Largest Importing Nation...so we must implement new Nuclear Threat Detectors all across the country as well as additional Space Based Detection Units.

So...Manipulation of a Hurricane even though possible is old news...The New News is that in 22 Months the United States will have installed enough Nuclear Powered Free Electron Lasers on both Land and Sea....all U.S. Carriers are scheduled for refit of a THIRD NUCLEAR REACTOR as well as all AEGIS CRUISERS will have a Nuclear Powered FEL which will make WAR with the UNITED STATES SUICIDE for any Nation that would attempt it.

These conditions will allow for the United States to repair infrastructure, change and replace old Electrical Grids.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Been reading along, and again what you've typed (posted) here is pure speculation, and there is not one scintilla of supporting evidence, no links, no proof of any kind.

Oh, and whilst I'm on about it --- several times the statement was made that the "U.S. Military" could "steer" hurricanes.

Does the United States military have a sole monopoly of this "knowledge" and "technique"??

Seems rather an illogical claim to make. If the "procedure" is as "simple" as it's made out to be.......

reply to post by SplitInfinity
Continued....allow our Military Leaders to stop worrying over releasing New and Green High Output Energy Generation Systems of which we need NOW as Global Warming is close to reaching a TIPPING POINT.

The U.S. Military has plans to create an ARCTIC NAVAL FLEET centered around a Nimitz Class Carrier as current projections have the TOTAL ELIMINATION of a Year Round ARCTIC OCEAN ICE CAP COVERAGE. This will allow for shipping to cross the Arctic Ocean as well as OIL DRILLING in areas never before available. The RUSSIANS are so serious about this they actually PLACED A SMALL RUSSIAN FLAG AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ARCTIC OCEAN using a Deep Diving Sub as to make a statement of saying.....MINE! LOL!

All this could be avoided if the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS the United States has spent on Defense and in this year of 2012...total Defense related spending will be $1.415 TRILLION DOLLARS! No country or even group of countries.....example...you could add up all the countries in the world that had Nuclear Weapons and the U.S. would STILL BE MANY TIMES the amount in money spent on defense.

Still all this money we spend on defense only accounts for about 9.8% of the United States total GNP. Even if you took into account Military Pensions and Hospital care and Insurance plus things like building Memorials or ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE U.S. MILITARY....it only equals about 19.7 % of the U.S. entire GDP...which stands for Gross Domestic Production.

For a Country that spends $1.415 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR....19.7% of the GNP is VERY SMALL AND SHOWS EXACTLY HOW MASSIVE THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY REALLY IS!

Don't listen to the DOOM SAYERS and the people who advocate the BEST IS BEHIND US. This is not true. The BEST is RIGHT IN FRONT OF US NOW! We need to Grasp the opportunity and Run with the Ball. Because if the Military reaches that point in 22 Months...there will be NO LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON DC that will be able to sell an expensive system we do not need out of FEAR MONGERING!

My Family Companies have voted to EXPAND...and this has happened just now as we want to get ahead of the curve. Sure...by hiring more employees in the very short rum may be costly...long term...and I am talking about only a year or so...we will be prepared before any other company to handle the sales as well as be set up with a GO GREEN DIRECTIVE that will soon become law. The beauty of GOING GREEN NOW is we can say WE DID IT BEFORE ANYONE FORCED US TO DO IT. Things like that MEAN SOMETHING to your customer base. I have always found that we make alot of MONEY be being the GOOD GUY'S and although a company can make lot's of money quick in a short term...LONG TERM PROFITS ARE THE WAY TO GO as you hope to be here tomorrow. The same can be said about WAR and this topic...just because we can do it...doesn't mean that we should and when the U.S. Military is satisfied it is IMPENETRABLE...THEN THE U.S. WILL SPEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON INFRASTRUCTURE...THIS MEANS MORE JOBS, MORE MONEY THUS MORE IMPORTS which provides jobs in all other countries as they now want better things and this allows the U.S. Technical Industries to shine as we develop new High Tech. Gadgets that people around the worls want like better phones and Eyeglasses that are not only Phones but Computers as well as direcr Computer Interface with the Human Mind. It is all coming. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by adeclerk

 

The program to be able to change a Hurricanes path began shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Some very smart people who had an idea that Targeting a specific wall of a Hurricane...I know a bit about it but will not post this information here....that by changing the amount of H20 in a specific band of an interior wall of a Hurricane would destabalise the entire entire cyclone sort of as example...if you have a top that is made out of wood and the wood on one side of the top is heavier than the wood on the other...as you spun the top...the heavier side of the top would create a trajectory that would be similar every time.

You are wrong about when attempts to alter Hurricanes started.

The first attempts were made in 1947 - Project Cirrus

Project Stormfury from 1962 to 1973 came later....and the info it provided on hurricanes apparently debunked the hypothesis that seeding could create a new eyewall upon which it was founded - which was not actually anything like you wrote above.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

In actuality...programs to change a storms path began in Feudal China when Hundreds of thousands of Rockets were launched to change the path of a storm to help drought stricken areas in China...so yes there have been many plans over the Centuries...but the REALISTIC Actual attempt to change a Hurricanes track...not just scientific research and Mini-Experiments...actually achieved a HUGE BLACK BUDGET after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I have no doubt you are correct in your post s well as there being other attempts even earlier that occured after the massive droughts after the Dust Bowl which was actually the result of plowing fields all in one direction causing a Wind Dynamic that created Monster Dust Storms.

The real deal experimentation of great monetary budgets happened post Cuban Missile Crisis. Fortunately...it seems that very shortly...ICBMS will become OBSOLETE. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

The real deal experimentation of great monetary budgets happened post Cuban Missile Crisis. Fortunately...it seems that very shortly...ICBMS will become OBSOLETE. Split Infinity

The budget for the US efforts was maxed at about US$4 million per year

reply to post by PluPerfect

I can only steer you toward public information to allow you to come to your own conclusion.
Fact...after the Cuban Missile Crisis...as part of the deal with the Soviet Union...the Soviets pledged not to deploy Nuclear Missiles in Cuba...the U.S. pledged not to INVADE CUBA.

The Cuban Communist Government was a THORN IN THE SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES and on top of it...we had a HUGE Naval base right in Cuba. So the concept of secretly steering a HUGE HURRICANE toward Cuba that would not only destroy the Country but since the Soviet Union was too far away to provide relief efforts on a scale needed to help a Cuba devastated to this degree...the U.S. could offer assistance and possible win over the Cuban Government with free aid.

Some of you think that steering a Hurricane is some form of High Tech. Fantasy...I assure you it is not. To change the track of a Hurricane...all one has to do is effect the mass or water density of one specific interior cloud band. There are many ways to do this and the current model is not what you think it would be.

I cannot get anymore clearer other than to say that it is not a method that one would consider seeding. There are some Scientific papers that were published by some VERY Highly Regarded Members of the Scientific Community of which two of these papers were retracted from publication.

The way to get a Hurricane to cause as much damage as possible is to change it's trajectory and when a Hurricanes outer wall that is targeted Bleeds out of water...it will drop in strength...so this must be done before the Hurricane has reached it's target to allow a rebuild of strength plus since Cuba is a LONG Island that is very thin...the ideal concept is to have it hit the Southern side of the Eastern tip then as the Hurricane will lose a bit of strength...force it to zig zag back and forth from a Starting Point on the Eastern End of the Island cross over to the Northern side then have it zig zag back across to the Southern side....all the while traveling down the length of the Island going Soth to North and back to South until it eventually reaches the end of the Island where the Gulf Stream Will Carry it around the tip of Florida and out into the Atlantic in a North Eastern Route.

Every Time the Hurricane passes over the island...it looses Energy which is again Built UP as it gets over water. It will continue to travel West but the way for it to inflict the Maximum amount of Damage Possible is for it to zig zag over and over again from South to North as it travels west. Split Infinity

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

HA! LOL! $4 Million a YEAR!? The number of C-130's that were placed in the Coast Guard Budget for which the Coast Guard claims in knows nothing about exceeds this dramatically! 11 were purchased from Lockheed and they were of a specialized varient that was close to a C-130E Model...which can drop or carry PODS.

I have been in the game a long time and all of this info I give you...you can look up...it is just finding WHERE to look that is at issue. Shortly after the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT was put into place...a mistake by people who rarely make mistakes...allowed the public the access to the letters between J.Edgar Hoover FBI Director and General Curtis LeMay...Famous for SAC and his words...BOMB THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE!

The reason why they were EVER SEEN...they were actual PAPER FILES and last minute had to be DUMPED SOMEWHERE...so what better place that the DEPT. OF AGRICULTURE FILES between 1947 and 1948? These files were found as a FLUKE and those letters showed just how much power Hoover Had but IKE had more and thus WRIGHT FIELD WAS UNTOUCHABLE BY THE FBI. Now it is WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB. This is the center of reverse engineering in the United States.

What every you think you know or even guess you know...multiply it by 100 or 1000 and you may still not get there. I have but a GLIMPSE and I KNOW that all this Military Posturing is all BULL S#!%! The U.S. Military could wipe out any Military it chose to target with only it's OVERT WEAPON SYSTEMS...if it chose to...it could engage every nations Military Simultaniously and still win overwhelmingly. What I WANT is for the U.S. Military to release the New and Powerful Alternate Energy that it has that we the public need. They have it and it is time to release it! Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

HA! LOL! $4 Million a YEAR!? The number of C-130's that were placed in the Coast Guard Budget for which the Coast Guard claims in knows nothing about exceeds this dramatically! 11 were purchased from Lockheed and they were of a specialized varient that was close to a C-130E Model...which can drop or carry PODS.

that's coast guard - not hurricane research.

Can you provide a link for the C-130's - either to their existence, the budget line, the Coast Guard saying they don't know anything about them, etc?

And what do you mean by "PODS"? If you mean pods lower case as in things carried on he outside of the aircraft then so what? If "PODS" (capitalised) stands for something specific then what is it?

I have been in the game a long time and all of this info I give you...you can look up...it is just finding WHERE to look that is at issue. Shortly after the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT was put into place...a mistake by people who rarely make mistakes...allowed the public the access to the letters between J.Edgar Hoover FBI Director and General Curtis LeMay...Famous for SAC and his words...BOMB THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE!

If you got this in paper form then why not scan and distribute it??

I see you make the claim to know the content of these lettershere, in regard of alien tech, without substantiating it - where did you get this info from?

The reason why they were EVER SEEN...they were actual PAPER FILES and last minute had to be DUMPED SOMEWHERE...so what better place that the DEPT. OF AGRICULTURE FILES between 1947 and 1948? These files were found as a FLUKE and those letters showed just how much power Hoover Had but IKE had more and thus WRIGHT FIELD WAS UNTOUCHABLE BY THE FBI. Now it is WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB. This is the center of reverse engineering in the United States.

What every you think you know or even guess you know...multiply it by 100 or 1000 and you may still not get there. I have but a GLIMPSE and I KNOW that all this Military Posturing is all BULL S#!%! The U.S. Military could wipe out any Military it chose to target with only it's OVERT WEAPON SYSTEMS...if it chose to...it could engage every nations Military Simultaniously and still win overwhelmingly. What I WANT is for the U.S. Military to release the New and Powerful Alternate Energy that it has that we the public need. They have it and it is time to release it! Split Infinity

so basically no, you can't actually provide any verification for your claim.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Pure Poppycock:

The Cuban Communist Government was a THORN IN THE SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES and on top of it...we had a HUGE Naval base right in Cuba. So the concept of secretly steering a HUGE HURRICANE toward Cuba that would not only destroy the Country but since the Soviet Union was too far away to provide relief efforts on a scale needed to help a Cuba devastated to this degree...the U.S. could offer assistance and possible win over the Cuban Government with free aid.

You go on and on about how "easy" it is to "steer" a hurricane with a lot of pseudo-babble, and how the U.S. military "knows how" to do it, yet, the above scenario? It never happened, did it?

Or, are the history books "covering up" the "destruction" of the country of Cuba? Nope, just checked.....still there. (Unless Google Maps are "in on it" too?)

In fact, a simple Internet search discovers that in the history of devastatingly severe hurricanes of particular note to hit Cuba, there are only four recorded since the record-keeping began.....and four of them occurred before 1959!

Is it your contention that the U.S. military could "steer" hurricanes back in the 1950s? The 1940s? 1930s?


From this source:

These four took place before 1959.

On October 20, 1926 a hurricane crossed over Isle of Pines and Havana with maximum winds of 230-250 KMS /H.

For Cubans, November 9, 1932, it is one of the fatal dates among all.

From a meteorological point of view, the most intense event, among the four big ones occurred on October 18 1944...

From October 4 to 7, 1963, the Flora hurricane, with winds of up to 209 KMS/H....

(The article mentions "four" before 1959, but only cites those three --- 1926, 1932 and 1944. It mentions the one in 1963...was it possible to "steer" hurricanes then?)


I'm sorry, but whatever "source" has fed you this drivel about the ability to "steer" hurricanes is either pulling your leg, or is not credible.