The carrot (chicken or egg , vegetable version)

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Beldy

 

The carrot evolved, just like everything else on the planet

Oh, and regarding the chicken and egg thing, the egg was first because the chicken's ancestors laid eggs waaaaaay before chickens evolved.

The carrot evolved - did you see this happen? Can I use your time machine??

The egg was first? What laid it?? Do tell.

The ancestors of today's chicken laid eggs...so eggs definitely existed before today's chicken.

And I hope you realize there's tons of ways to figure out the past without a time machine

Nice sidestep of my egg question, but not unexpected.
Nope - without a time machine, it's all guesswork, speculation, and extrapolation.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Beldy

 

The carrot evolved, just like everything else on the planet

Oh, and regarding the chicken and egg thing, the egg was first because the chicken's ancestors laid eggs waaaaaay before chickens evolved.

The carrot evolved - did you see this happen? Can I use your time machine??

The egg was first? What laid it?? Do tell.

The ancestors of today's chicken laid eggs...so eggs definitely existed before today's chicken.

And I hope you realize there's tons of ways to figure out the past without a time machine

Nice sidestep of my egg question, but not unexpected.
Nope - without a time machine, it's all guesswork, speculation, and extrapolation.

Funny...cause we can exhume your grand grand grand fathers remains and figure out he's a relative of you...all without the need of a time machine. We can also pick up any rock and figure out how old it is. Hell, we can even tell the composition of the atmosphere from 1.5m years ago. All without a time machine!

Of course one would have to actually do a bit of research to know that instead of just coming here making claims that are complete and utter garbage

And the chicken/egg answer wasn't side stepping...it was stating a FACT. Look it up

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Nice sidestep of my egg question, but not unexpected.
Nope - without a time machine, it's all guesswork, speculation, and extrapolation.

Whereas with creation, it's a legitimate field of science, right?

"You didn't see it happen" is not a logical argument. By that logic you can't prove anything that happened before your own life. People can and do study the past constantly. Nobody's saying it's 100% exactly as they say, but it's a very solid methodology of gathering facts and it's the best possible explanation based on the evidence.

Originally posted by Astyanax

Originally posted by Beldy
I assume no one "invented" the carrot.

You would be wrong.

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
Exactly it was God, who made leeks and brocolli and all the rest.

Broccoli was created by humans by selective breeding from the wild mustard plant.

Nearly all the vegetables Westerners eat today are artificial creations, the results of hundreds of years of selective breeding. If you saw the ones 'God gave you', you wouldn't want to eat them.

Yup. Care for an ear of corn before man cultivated it?

Originally posted by Beldy
reply to post by Astyanax

 

I'm fully aware I could be (or am definitely wrong) I was just throwing out there the things my mind comes up with at times. I question many things.

Nah, I just think a lot. Maybe too much. I've just never found a forum (or outlet) for expressing my opinions. All of my friends (except one) I wouldn't feel comfortable talking about "odd" things."

Join the club. My problem is that I have tons of questions, but I only want to know a little about everything, and not everything about one thing.

Originally posted by Barcs

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Nice sidestep of my egg question, but not unexpected.
Nope - without a time machine, it's all guesswork, speculation, and extrapolation.

Whereas with creation, it's a legitimate field of science, right?

"You didn't see it happen" is not a logical argument. By that logic you can't prove anything that happened before your own life. People can and do study the past constantly. Nobody's saying it's 100% exactly as they say, but it's a very solid methodology of gathering facts and it's the best possible explanation based on the evidence.

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But will you not admit that the further back we go, the more cautious we need to be? Surely you know the dangers of extrapolation. Too many things are posted as facts, and science seems to be more speculative than it used to be.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
But will you not admit that the further back we go, the more cautious we need to be? Surely you know the dangers of extrapolation. Too many things are posted as facts, and science seems to be more speculative than it used to be.

Obviously, caution and research is important. I'm not sure what you are referring to about science being speculative. When a hypothesis is first constructed, yes, it is speculative. But then experiments are done to verify it and it graduates into a scientific theory. Too many scientific facts are flat out dismissed by creationists, regardless of the validity. Anybody can claim anything. Without evidence it means nothing.

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Well, I'm concerned by the effect on pure science by the infusion of grant money, research for the sake of government black projects, and the bias introduced by scientific paradigm bandwagons. I doubt that real science is very compatible with money, power, and popular theories. Just sayin'