20,000 deaths in the US. Have you been effected?

reply to post by schuyler


Thank you.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by bobs_uruncle

 

Comparing troops deaths to public deaths isnt an equal comparison. troops are a closed group, controlled directly by the gov't. Civilians talk. Tell me, do you, or anyone you know know ANYONE who has died from fallout?

I was not comparing troop deaths by suicide to civilians deaths. It is called an analogy, where explain something by comparing it to something else, one a little easier to understand than the other. Both are "hidden" or ignored deaths due to a cause that could be prevented and that even the reporters are unaware of certain factual events occurring on a day to day basis.

To your question. NO ONE that I am aware of, has been confirmed as a victim of fallout, whether it be birth defects or cancer and will not be until it gets to the point that it can no longer be hidden. I have seen a marked increase in cancer in people I know personally that started AFTER the Fukushima event last year in March. I know of four people who have died of cancer whose cancer was diagnosed months after Fukushima.

Attributing the cause to fallout is difficult and it can be done, but the cost will always outweigh the benefit. Who you gonna sue? Japan? Tepco? They would pretend bankruptcy and have their capital assets moved long before anyone could do anything. And what is a million going to do for you anyway in the middle of a financial collapse. Priorities, right?

Cheers - Dave

reply to post by schuyler


From your link:

Disclaimer: Mineralab, LLC, the operator of this web site, can not independently verify that the Radiation Levels, or any Radiation Alerts, that are displayed on this Radiation Map are correct and valid. Among other possibilities, Geiger counter malfunctions or proximity of the counters to certain medical procedures or to radioactive items can cause high readings at a Monitoring Station.

The amounts we are receiving are not sufficient (I believe) to cause immediate death, though they could very well contribute to a rise in still births and/or increased cancer risks. There are also a host of non-cancerous disease which could be aggravated by (even low-dose) radiation exposure.

Ionizing radiation at very high (radio-therapeutic) dose levels can cause diseases other than cancer, particularly heart diseases. There is increasing evidence that doses of the order of a few sievert (Sv) may also increase the risk of non-cancer diseases. It is not known, however, whether such effects also occur following the lower doses and dose rates of public health concern.

Mortality from diseases other than cancer following low doses of ionizing radiation: results from the 15-Country Study of nuclear industry workers

And

Increased risk of circulatory system diseases (CSDs) was observed in nuclear workers handling uranium and plutonium in Russia and the UK. This work examines the CSD mortality after chronic intake of uranium among 2897 workers (79 892 person-years) at a uranium processing plant (1960–2006) in France.

Does uranium induce circulatory diseases? First results from a French cohort of uranium workers

And

By the end of 1990, among the 50,113 LSS survivors with, 15,633 noncancer deaths had occurred, excluding deaths attributed to diseases of the blood, which are analyzed separately. Circulatory diseases account for nearly half of these deaths, with digestive diseases, including liver disease, and respiratory diseases each accounting for about 10% of the total.

RADIATION EFFECTS RESEARCH FOUNDATION REPORT

All of the studies indicate that the causality of radiation in noncancerous diseases is difficult to quantify for a variety of reasons, but it is shown that there is a significant correlation to low dose radiation exposure to these diseases. They also say that more research is needed to form a more conclusive opinion on the matter, but the data does suggest a strong possibility of this being the case.

If any of the mentioned 14,000-20,000 excess deaths referred to in the OP have actually occurred, they are not going to be from otherwise healthy individuals, but are a result of an increase in still births.

The data are somewhat sketchy and perhaps are merely a statistical anomaly rather than an indication of Fukushima fallout in action.

Well unfortunately the CDC report does NOT specifically cite increased Radiation as the cause for all these new deaths or an increase OP. It is more likely that due to the mild winter and lack of a hard hard freeze that a lot of the natural flu killing didn't happen and it spread more easily (or other viruses) I'm more likely to believe that than I am that there are 20K unaccounted for deaths that somehow is being covered up from all over the west coast of the United States in this day and age of the internet, or has everyone so quickly forgotten the AK Airlines story, got out almost instantly, and THAT reeks of Radiation poisoning, but they were at 30K feet for extended periods.

Will there be effects from it? Probably.. Will we see mass die off's of our population not likely, Chernobyl didn't cause mass issues in the United States in 1986, this won't cause mass deaths here now...

reply to post by amongus


I've been congested for 2 months now, was sick enough to have to be hospitilized in April...

Energy wise I would say I'm doing ok for being congested and have less than decent sleep because of it.

I am rarely sick and havent needed to go to the hospital or see a Dr. for illness in over 10 years until this last month. I heard the pollen count here in colorado is 10x normal for some reason so that might be adding to my congestion.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by amongus
Epic fail thread.

Mods remove please

edit on 16-5-2012 by amongus because: (no reason given)

Actually, it's just not going your way. That's all. If there is any evidence that radiation counts have increased on the West Coast, let's see it. Here's a map of radiation readings which shows no increases compared to readings prior to the tsunami. The idea that you could be sick, which is basically what you were claiming, is nonsensical in the context of radiation. If radiation were Affecting you, one would expect that it would have an effect on many people and not pick on you. Radiation is not giving you a sore throat, nor is it making you lethargic. Seek medical advice.

In terms of the 20,000 extra deaths, this has NOT happened. This mysterious study which no one has read (but is apparently peer reviewed) very likely is statistical in nature. I've seen similar studies before. What these learned folks do is estimate statistically that X amount of radiation will result in an increase in cancers caused by the radiation which might (emphasis on might) cause an additional 20,000 deaths IN THE FUTURE. Being exposed to heavy amounts of radiation does not always kill you instantly. It takes years for the cancer to manifest. This is a statistical exercise with many dependent variables that are difficult to pin down. In other words, it's speculation with a lot of assumptions.

But the fact is, no statistically significant increase in radiation has been measured in North America. Not Seattle. Not anywhere else.

it's going to be very difficult to nail down deaths associated to Fuku alone, unless you're finding CE 134 and CE 137 together and can isolate them within the body, which no one will look for because there is no reason once a possible illness would be found. that of course doesn't make it right because medicine should be about prevention more so than treatment but there's no money in that is there.

if you want to know what is really happening as far as readings go, you must look for it in the rain fallout, not in open air samples. these isotopes will be present in the atmosphere for decades or more and will be raining hot for generations. of course, as has been mentioned, they are cumulative and will build up in every living organism for hundreds of years, from generation to generation, that's assuming we last that long if nothing can be done.

so to recap Ce 134 and Ce 137 in combination, would be a signature of the fuel in Fuku, but they would have to make an attempt at isolating it to point to Fuku. it's not unusual for me in south eastern PA to get rain swipe readings from 100 to 200 CPM which is 3 to 7 times background levels. there are much hotter location in the states and europe at this time.

Those of you saying "someone would know someone who was affected" are blind. To you, tell me, what is cancer?

Now divide 300,000,000(or whatever you think the US population is) by 14,000 or 20,000 or 100,000 if you would like. That is 1/3 of 1% even at 100,000 and much less at 20K people. Listen to the audio.

Are you saying that soon i will become a zombie member? When will this happen? Am i a zombie now? He hears the groans, but ignores them. I feel so hungry, i can eat a dead horse. Did you hear that, someone is moanning around here. Let me see. BEEN EFFECTED? Of what? I hear moanning again. Who is that, stop it. OH, i get it. I will ask the guy down the street moanning if he has been effected. Looks a little scraggly with beard. Seems to have a fourty in his hand. Sir, have you been affected. Yep, must be effected cause he keeps moanning. Got an effected one here, what do ya think. Is he effected?