911 Terrorists on trial. Do you want Justice or Revenge?

Originally posted by The_Oracle

Originally posted by miniatus
I don't think we have to degrade ourselves to animals in the process..

Animals don't do that, humans do.

No. Humans don't. You're right animals don't do it but humans don't either. Any person that would do such a thing I would consider something else altogether.

-Alien

Too bad the real terrorists will never be brought to justice.

As in the words of Dr. Carol Roslin "Everything we are being told is a lie" and i believe it. I wonder what the next flase flag event will be.

Dear OP,
Your title is misleading. Bush isn't on trial is he?

I don't see any 911 terrorists on trial... so the question is irrelevant.

T

Originally posted by abe froman
We see now as these terrorist leaders are on trial that they mock the court, thwart their own defense team, and even taunt the surviving family members of their innocent victims.Their leader even proudly brags about personnaly decapitating Daniel Pearl, an innocent journalist who never hurt anyone. Throughout the threads I've seen apologists still trying to place blame on others and on the other hand I see bloodlust. There are those who go so far as to see the defendents as the victim and others of us who would gladly play the role of executioner. Should we sentence these "men" to prison terms and show mercy or should we enact a horrible revenge just the way they would? Justice or Revenge?

edit on 7-5-2012 by abe froman because: Caliban

This is nothing but theater. Your comments espouse the exact "us vs. them", divisive fear-mongering that permeate the Western landscape. Al-Qaeda only wields as much power as the neo-con agenda has given them. They weren't anything but small pockets of thugs with rocks and rudimentary weaponry until the US began blaming them for everything and giving them credit for operations they couldn't possibly have accomplished. Just like the "War on Drugs", the "War on Terror" is nothing but a red herring designed to elicit fear amongst the masses. It's the same old script played over and over again.

Originally posted by ExPatRat
reply to post by ollncasino

 

America was attacked because of the sanctions against Iraq which resulted in the deaths of over 500,000 children.

Scroll down the article to the Estimates of deaths due to sanctions.

IRAQ SANCTIONS

And also because of American bases in Saudi Arabia. Remember most of the hijackers were Saudis.

Umm, no? America was "attacked" because it's exactly what Cheney and friends wanted. They needed an overwhelming polarizing event (like Pearl Harbor) in order to move the neo-con agenda forward. Iraq had NOTHING to do with it. Period. It wasn't all that long ago that the US loved Hussein, and couldn't give less of a # about how he governed his people. It is undisputed that Hussein hated al-Qaeda and terrorism long before 9/11 and had a proven track-record of zero tolerance for them in his country. Once the oil beneath his feet became more valuable than his favor, his demise was inevitable.

The sanctions imposed on Iraq by the US was a monstrous way to demoralize and weaken the country in anticipation of a US-led regime change. Now, I'm certainly not saying that Hussein was a great guy or anything. But to continue affiliating him and Iraq with 9/11 is disingenuous. Iraq didn't have the WMDs the Bush administration based the war on. The attempted acquisition of yellow-cake uranium from Africa by Iraq never happened (see Joe Wilson about that). The biological weapons program that Iraq had was completely dismantled long before 9/11. And the one government that was conclusively linked to the 9/11 attack was Pakistan. In fact, Iraq was bending over backwards to accommodate US demands in order to get the sanctions lifted because of how devastating they were on the Iraqi people. None of it mattered. Hussein could have slit his own throat on world television and the US still would have come up with a reason to invade them.

If you see anything but professional-wrestling styled theater when you watch the news, you're living in a world defined by deception.

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Both.

No death penalty - that's the easy way out, and awards them their "martyrdom". I'm normally all for the death penalty, but in this single instance, I'm willing to forego it in favor of life imprisonment at hard labor with no possibility of parole - ever. No TV, no books, no donuts in the rec room, no pool tables, no amenities. Just a cell, a cot, hard labor, and pork products for all three daily meals for life.

And I hope they live a LONG time like that.

Originally posted by abe froman
Feel free to quote the Koran, the Bible,or the Torah.

God did not have a hand in this business, so he doesn't get a say in it. God has other things to look after. This time, it's just us apes.

Revenge.

Just make sure before they're hung by the victims family members they install a "spirit sucker" above the terrorists head so they cant get to heaven. They could even install a TV to it to display to his terrorist friends that his soul is actually stuck in the box and he will never make it to heaven for his virgins and neither will they.

Then, after the terrorists are dead we should cremate them and add them to the concrete mix for a new sidewalk in Manhattan so all New Yorkers can walk all over their dead bodies every day.

Too much?

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What you don't understand is that before 9/11 we were over there killing their friends and families. 9/11 wasn't the beginning of this. They didn't just wake up one day and decide to suicide bomb us out of of jealousy. We have been bombing their lands for a long time.

Now don't do what most people on ATS do and misconstrue my words. 9/11 was horrible, and people deserve to be brought to justice. But to say the only retribution for the attacks is to kill them all is completely insane. You are reacting the same exact way they reacted to us attacking them in the first place! They don't hate us because of freedom and britney spears and coca cola. They hate us because we have been invading their homelands and killing their friends and family for many years. The solution is to get the heck out of their business, not to keep killing them. What you want will just continue the cycle of death and terror. You need to put emotion aside and use some logic here.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has been water boarded by decent, hard working, freedom loving Americans 183 times. God Bless you America! America is probably the only country that can incarcerate and torture somebody for 10 years straight without trail, and still think the sun shines out of their own ass.

Originally posted by zigguratvertigo
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has been water boarded by decent, hard working, freedom loving Americans 183 times. God Bless you America! America is probably the only country that can incarcerate and torture somebody for 10 years straight without trail, and still think the sun shines out of their ass.

Thats ok, he is a bad guy... besides, he confessed to a LOT, during those 10 years of constant torture.[sarcasm noted]

Makes you wonder if you will be next...torture me for 10 years I would be confessing to anything too. God only knows what his real crimes were.

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Yea and people wonder why there are terrorists....our immoral actions breed them. There have been awful practices on both sides, but most people won't ever admit that their own country is at fault. It's a major flaw in how people think about this situation.

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Justice is revenge. Revenge is justice. I am very much against the death penalty in most cases, but this would be an exception.

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Revenge...it would save the US tax payer $200,000,000 Million dollars in the long run, execute them now...and lets put that money into a tax refund to the American People...

Sniper

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When I say give the money back tot he tax payers, I mean the citizens of the GREATEST country on Earth the United States whom actually pay taxes...

I am deployed over seas so I do not think I count for the tax check...need to check into that...

Sniper

Originally posted by abe froman
reply to post by jlm912

 

You have to understand that the goal of these extremists is world domination under their religion (or under their version of their religion) they don't want to control just their countries they mean to spread their grasp across the entire world and it's join them or die.Thats it, join us or die.If you could only see the truth of this it might change your perspective.They have no interest in live and let live.

So true, spot in fact.

Except the 'extremists' are not who you think they are. You've bought into the system, you fail to see the real powers that want world domination.

US and UK politicians often reveal in plain sight their plans and hidden truths by talking about themselves but pretending to talk about 'terrorists'.



Just listen to what he is saying- it is hiding in plain sight.

Originally posted by marinesniper0317
reply to post by abe froman

 

Revenge...it would save the US tax payer $200,000,000 Million dollars in the long run, execute them now...and lets put that money into a tax refund to the American People...

Sniper

I guess the million dollar question is, do non-citizens (terrorists) deserve due process??? Or should we just take them out back and shoot them....

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by abe froman

 

And how is that different from the agenda your country has been blasting all across the globe for over 50 years ??

what agenda would that be exactly?

freedom and liberty?

Just because we make some money while we're doing it, doesn't take away from the fact that everyone should enjoy the same right we do.

And no, we are not a police state, I still enjoy more freedoms than any other citizen of any other country in the world. deal with it.

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
reply to post by abe froman

 

Justice is revenge. Revenge is justice. I am very much against the death penalty in most cases, but this would be an exception.

Whether you want justice, revenge, or both, don't you think it would be a good idea to direct that at the people actually responsible? It seems most people are content with lynching whoever the US Govt serves up as the scapegoat.

See if you can spot the inconsistency:
1) In December of 1941, the US had already broken Japanese communications, was aware of the impending attack, and allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japanese Kamikaze fighters in order to gain support to enter WWII.

2) In August of 1964, the US fabricated a story about an attack of the USS Maddox by North Vietnamese submarines in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to gain Congressional support of engagement with the North Vietnamese.

3) In October of 1990, the US put a Kuwaiti girl, identified as "Nayirah", before a Congressional panel who testified that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Her testimony was used to gain support to engage Iraq in war. That girl was later found to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, and her testimony found to be completely fabricated.

4) In September of 2001, 19 Arab terrorists hijacked 4 commercial US jets with boxcutters and crashed 3 of them into both of the towers of the World Trade Center in NY, and the Pentagon in Washington DC. The 4th plane crashed, tragically, in Shanksville, PA when the hero passengers on that flight rallied against the hijackers in order to stop the plane from hitting its intended target in Washington. Angered and outraged, the US declares a "War on Terror" and goes after the people responsible; Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.