Ron Paul Backers Prepare Takeover

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individualism=selfishness and collectivism=foolishness

hence something in the middle is ideal!

what i find irritating to a big degree is that some people like to portray themselves as romantic conservatives and say nooooo corporatism is not part of capitalism....it is part of fascism, and they take mussolini's words out of context to suit their stupid agenda.

one last time...fascism/nazism was a mixed economy(had elements of socialism and capitalism). russia was the true collectivist society and have called themselves socialists, while others call them communist. america was and still is 100% capitalist(there is no collectivism so why even mention this FEAR?)

Ron Paul has mentioned nothing about folding the FED into the treasury as he should, instead he wants competing currencies and the gold standard, which is totally impractical on many levels. I wish people who are going ape # with him would actually view/read what he says.

Originally posted by manisobsolete

North Korea has closed the gap between rich and poor brilliantly: there is no 1% – everyone lives well below acceptable Western standards. (Kim Jong Il granted himself a waiver, however, and became one of the world’s largest consumers of fine western cognac and other luxury goods smuggled into the impoverished country). Yet another fine example of how collectivist government works... You're saying that russia has closed the gap too?
Cuba actually is doing ok, while we're on this subject, so was Libya until NATO bombed the # out of it, that was largely because of the good things that ghadaffi did... so its not always bad, i'll concede that sometimes it works if the people in power are well meaning.

well not every communist leader was well meaning, but the blockade put on ALL socialist/communist nations has played a tremendous role in their downfall.

Originally posted by manisobsolete

If you read that PDF you'll realise that there is a mountain of evidence that shows people have been indoctrinated to feel the way you do about government and authority figures and centralised power thanks to some very influential institutions and foundations, But it wasn't always the case, there were courageous men who fought against the enslavment of the banking elite. When they founded america they knew what they were up against and how to prevent it which is why they invented the system of government we know as a "republic". But people have forgotten these days. Ron Paul is probably the only politician who hasn't and stands for the constitution.

please take the 15 minutes and read the PDF i linked, i don't think we're really that different and i'm sure you'll get something from it.

I can understand the reason for a republic, but in every such country, it is being used for all the wrong reasons!

They never protect the weak, elderly, minorities.......rather they protect the interests of the sick status-quo enabled by masonry...which is of global outreach. Think about it!

The 1% hide under this veil enabled by the republican system(not party). That is why the 99% are met with hostility, not only from the government and media, but also from the brainwashed fools/idiots who believe in small government is best.

We need a democracy where the 99% throw the 1% in the trash bin!

RP has publicly said he's not a Mason. Trying to equate RP to one is going to prove fruitless. He would have admitted to being one a long time ago if he was part of it. Also, your view of Masonry is completely whack. Watch Secrets in Plain Sight www.youtube.com... for more detail on this, and other secret societies and their symbolism. While it is certain that there are some groups that have a collective greed and mission that is not congruous with the American People (like the CFR), to say that all Masons are bad is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, or perhaps worse to Demonize a group simply because of affiliation, aka guilty by affiliation/association which is a major hate issue, and you should check yourself at the door on that. RP has publicly denounced Corporatism disguised as Capitalism. Go watch his talks with Larry King for that one, it makes perfect sense www.youtube.com... RP has a history of fighting FOR the people while serving as a Congressman. He constantly votes against the legislation (and indeed jumps up there and takes time to speak against) that keeps coming from other Congress members that systematically attempt to remove liberties one after another.

Calling a Republic a system of the 1% is stupid. Republican views are quite simple: Voters can't take away that which is given to us by the creator. Read the Declaration of Independence for details if you must. "Democrazy" is what you get when you follow popular vote. Time and time again, through corruption of the minds of the masses or through Problem / Reaction / Solution issue-feeding, votes can be swayed FAR away from what is good for the masses. INFORMED masses are much different. I believe in democracy to talk things through, but I believe in the power of the Republic system to make sure that people who actually know the issues through and through, and who are put in that position BY THE PEOPLE themselves and who have direct oversight from the People is the best way to go.


Either you get it, or you don't.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
RP has publicly said he's not a Mason. Trying to equate RP to one is going to prove fruitless. He would have admitted to being one a long time ago if he was part of it. Also, your view of Masonry is completely whack. Watch Secrets in Plain Sight www.youtube.com... for more detail on this, and other secret societies and their symbolism. While it is certain that there are some groups that have a collective greed and mission that is not congruous with the American People (like the CFR), to say that all Masons are bad is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, or perhaps worse to Demonize a group simply because of affiliation, aka guilty by affiliation/association which is a major hate issue, and you should check yourself at the door on that.

It seems you are putting words into my mouth. I never stated Ron Paul was a mason!

Masonry as a whole is founded on the wrong principles, that being secrecy. I have no doubt the vast majority of its members have no idea what they are getting into and the vast majority never really learn the real secrets anyway.

RP has publicly denounced Corporatism disguised as Capitalism. Go watch his talks with Larry King for that one, it makes perfect sense www.youtube.com... RP has a history of fighting FOR the people while serving as a Congressman. He constantly votes against the legislation (and indeed jumps up there and takes time to speak against) that keeps coming from other Congress members that systematically attempt to remove liberties one after another.

You cannot fight corporatism and still be a capitalist in the 21st century. This is true not only in america but throughout the world. The basis of corporations is sound and well meaning, but the power they exert on government is way too excessive. Can you actually imagine doing away with thousands of corporations or even trying to get back that influence without some major obstacles? The people at the top want this, and they are all major corporate heads.

Calling a Republic a system of the 1% is stupid. Republican views are quite simple: Voters can't take away that which is given to us by the creator. Read the Declaration of Independence for details if you must. "Democrazy" is what you get when you follow popular vote. Time and time again, through corruption of the minds of the masses or through Problem / Reaction / Solution issue-feeding, votes can be swayed FAR away from what is good for the masses. INFORMED masses are much different. I believe in democracy to talk things through, but I believe in the power of the Republic system to make sure that people who actually know the issues through and through, and who are put in that position BY THE PEOPLE themselves and who have direct oversight from the People is the best way to go.


Either you get it, or you don't.

edit on 4-5-2012 by fourthmeal because: more to add

Like I said in my previous post, the theory behind republicanism seems sound, but in practice a very tiny minority abuses this supposed system of checks and balances for their own agenda. Republicanism is not unique to america. Do an exhaustive search and see that nearly every country on this planet(if not all) is listed as a republic rather than as a democracy.

Even the socialist/communist nations called themselves "republics". The weimar republic and union of soviet socialist republics...just to name a few! What kind of real socialism/communism nation would use such a name? Collectivism implies democracy aka majority rule...you would think!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

I can understand the reason for a republic, but in every such country, it is being used for all the wrong reasons!

They never protect the weak, elderly, minorities.......rather they protect the interests of the sick status-quo enabled by masonry...which is of global outreach. Think about it!

The 1% hide under this veil enabled by the republican system(not party). That is why the 99% are met with hostility, not only from the government and media, but also from the brainwashed fools/idiots who believe in small government is best.

We need a democracy where the 99% throw the 1% in the trash bin!

edit on 5/4/2012 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

After reading all your posts, Its obvious that you still haven't read the PDF, nor have you listened to anything i've said and your opinions are just that, opinions. You also contradict yourself in regards to republics around the world... they're collectivist dicatorships and democracies! a proper republic takes an indiviualist stance and protects individual liberties... but you'd know that if you read the PDF or understood my previous posts... There are so many errors in your posts i'm not even going to bother refuting them, i'd just be reiterating what i've previously said that you obviously either haven't understood, or haven't read anyway.

Sorry, but I'm not going to continue this debate any longer unless you read that PDF. Also, if this debate is to be meaningful at all by all means give me some evidence based in history that what you're advocating is a better choice, i'm quite rational and WILL read it and consider its points. I'm frustrated and tired of debating someone who makes up things that aren't based on anything other than their opinions and will not educate themselves as to whether their preconcieved notions are actually based in reality or not.

Originally posted by manisobsolete

After reading all your posts, Its obvious that you still haven't read the PDF, nor have you listened to anything i've said and your opinions are just that, opinions.

I thought we were both sharing opinions? Are you really that conceited to believe you are espousing facts?

You also contradict yourself in regards to republics around the world... they're collectivist dicatorships and democracies!

Is that why they have "republic of" rather than "democracy of"?

a proper republic takes an indiviualist stance and protects individual liberties... but you'd know that if you read the PDF or understood my previous posts...

such as? the republic of usa.....

There are so many errors in your posts i'm not even going to bother refuting them, i'd just be reiterating what i've previously said that you obviously either haven't understood, or haven't read anyway.

people write lots of stuff about anything and everything. opinions are opinions and facts are facts. people with eyes can see and people with ears can listen. Thankfully I have no such disabilities. Further I have been blessed with lots of common sense while many others have not.

frankely discussing anything with a conservative, a libertarian, and an anarchist has ALWAYS been a waste of time. people have been ingrained from childhood either by media and/or parents to think ONE WAY...all the time!

Sorry, but I'm not going to continue this debate any longer unless you read that PDF. Also, if this debate is to be meaningful at all by all means give me some evidence based in history that what you're advocating is a better choice, i'm quite rational and WILL read it and consider its points. I'm frustrated and tired of debating someone who makes up things that aren't based on anything other than their opinions and will not educate themselves as to whether their preconcieved notions are actually based in reality or not.

you expect to convince me of nonsense or is it a way to have the last word? a conservative must always have the last word correct? what a waste of time and I am not even allowed to be nasty cause of terms and conditions.

here is one last hint from me and adios amigos. america and australia are two of the most conservative nations on this planet and the ONLY TWO that do not have universal health care. if you like that then fine, keep the change, but don't be hypocritical enough to blame obama or the make-believe socialists for all your self-inflicted problems.

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this is well organized and thoughtful. what will they think of next?