Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Bakatono

 

You know that the Flight to SE-Asia and Return will be like

ca. 83 Days here in Tokyo

Radiation Flight New York-Tokyo- New York
will be ca 200 Microsievert,
at the moment we have ca. 0.10 Microsievert per Hour this is 2.4 Microsievert a Day
knowledge.allianz.com.../radiation-threat-nuclear-fallout-harmful

edit on 25-4-2012 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)

Well i am glad you are super-genki and I guess you don't mind being chisai radioactive (although that grammatically makes no sense, it should be choto radioactive) However, being choto radioactive is a permanent condition, unless you can live beyond 25k years. Which, of course, you won't. Being even choto radioactive will probably end your life sooner than it otherwise would.

Hey, while you are there you might want to keep this in mind:

"I would probably be hesitant to eat a lot of those fish," said Nicholas Fisher, a marine sciences professor at the State University of New York at Stony Brook.

Cesium was especially prevalent in certain of the species:
• 73 per cent of mackerel tested
• 91 per cent of the halibut
• 92 per cent of the sardines
• 93 per cent of the tuna and eel
• 94 per cent of the cod and anchovies
• 100 per cent of the carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish

Rin-ku

Originally posted by Xaphan
Okay, there's one thing I still don't understand. Why isn't the mainstream news media in North America or Europe covering this? Are they avoiding this whole thing out of fear of causing a widespread panic calamity?

Interesting that nobody was able to answer this. I am starting to suspect that this is just another paranoia thread.

reply to post by Xaphan


Since when does the MSM cover anything of true substance? Rather, like a matador with his cape, misdirection and subterfuge of intent are the norm. If you look to those outlets to tell you anything other than what will increase profit, you are sorely mistaken.

It should be no surprise that the corporate controlled mainstream media is ignoring this blockbuster revelation instead of exposing it and demanding an investigation.

So, what was really going on at the time?

“By Sunday March 13th, Elliot Brenner, sent out an e-mail to upper NRC counterparts clearly narrating the sequence of events. ‘While we know more than what these (press releases) say, we’re sticking to this story for now.’ writes Breener, during the weekend he labled [labeled] ‘very hectic’.”

Here you have the NRC, in an email, indicating that more was known than was released to the public.

“Yet another caution to limit information given to the public and a heads-up to ‘Expect the public/media focus to turn toward domestic in the next day or so.’ IOW, by the afternoon of March 12 the NRC was in full ass-covering mode for the U.S. nuclear industry.”

This is in reference to the plume of radioactive material which was generated from the explpsion of R3:



Yeah, that Reactor 3...

All above quoted segments from: BLOCKBUSTER! FOIA Documents Reveal NRC Cover-Up, Deception Over Fukushima Nuclear Disaster

Additional information can be found here: NRC failed to fully disclose their knowledge of events relating to Fukushima Daiichi

reply to post by Xaphan


Why hasn't the MSM given us any coverage at all would be a better question. The silence speaks volumes.

While I think Nuclear power on a limited basis (like powering our submarines for 30 years at a time) is a good idea....for the most part... but the people that make money off of the cheaply built piles care little for our children or grandchildren.
While I usually give the PTB the benefit of the doubt, just what the hell does these people that bury the spent fuel think is going to happen to it?
They are running out of places to 'store' it (if you can call a storage life of 20-30K years a storage!) in that amount of time records are lost, etc. If another company with aircraft but no nuclear weapons wanted to all they would have to do is blow up a nuclear power plant! They say they are so strong a 747 could crash into on and it wouldn't cause danger! So, if that is true why can a 'tidal wave' cause one of the worst nuclear disasters ever?
These idiots that are getting rich (power companies) apparently have the power to dictate what they want with the spent fuel!
Scientists from around the world should be working on finding ways to neutralize the fuel instead of just burying it!
As I mentioned before although expensive the sun is a great place to send them and someone said something about a rocket blowing up and spreading the radioactivity, but other than the North Koreans (LOL) rocket science has gotten so reliable that this is a moot point. IMHO
I would rather take that small chance than to have the spent fuel shipped by rail across the country! Train wrecks happen a lot!

Originally posted by nukeworker
reply to post by PageAlaCearl

 

Not trying to downplay what has happened but , I work on reactors and background radiation has had NO change from before or after Japans event . I could tell you things that would send you spinning but due to who I work for I cant , sorry . In no way am I a troll or sent here for some dissinformation campaighn . I just find it funny how people freak out over this . Waste has been dumped for years by a lots of different people . I guess what I am trying to say is this was nothing new ! I will agree with you nuclear power is not the best option , but its out of my hands . Trust me I monitor the levels as I have children myself and I do live in the Northwest of the USA , anyway take care .

Although the current situation is anything but ideal being as it is among the most significant recent catastrophes, I would also like to remind readers that since the creation of atomic weaponry there have been over 2000 documented detonations worldwide. I also do not seek to downplay the severity of uncontained nuclear reactions but to ask the question of our planet's durability. I think it is necessary to consider the effects of previous distributions of radiation and determine in a more quantifiable and less speculative manner just what this means for life on our planet. Its obvious that we're not all dead or dying in droves over this specifically, but sickness increases when this type of event occurs. I say as long as we are not dead we still have the chance to heal ourselves, or at least rectify the situation or help others prepare for the effects.

Originally posted by randyvs
Why hasn't the MSM given us any coverage at all would be a better question. The silence speaks volumes.

What are you talking about? I see lots of MSM Fox coverage of Fukushima

Ann Coulter Says 'Radiation Is Good For You' & Suggests Radiation-Bathing In Fukushima




So no worries... nothing to see here... case closed

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Xaphan

 

Why hasn't the MSM given us any coverage at all would be a better question. The silence speaks volumes.

The silence is evidence of the control of the MSM.

This whole thing reminds me of the movie "On the beach". Ever since it happened, one gets the feeling that it is much worse than we are being told. In fact, we are not being told anything. 3 nuclear reactors melt down and there is NO news reporting on it? One has to ask why, and the answer is not a pretty one. I have this terrible feeling that the world ended last year, and it has yet to catch up with us.

Ten years from now people will be having children that look like that bat boy that was always on the cover of tabloids in the '90s.

It might not be all bad though. Maybe they'll have some really cool telekinetic powers or something. I for one would be grateful to have a kid that could uncork those tricky wine bottles just by looking at them. I'd never have to worry about replacing the batteries in the remote control again either. I could just get him to change the channels with his mind. Take that, Energizer!

Think about it.... this sort of level event is very serious indeed. Even more so than Chernobyl. If it were that bad, I would think things would be much worse than they currently are. Not saying they are not bad as it is, but I have been hearing that the benevolent ET's are playing their part to keep the radiation levels at safe levels.... safe enough that our planet doesn't go to sh**. The rest is really up to us. They can't just come down and clean up OUR mess! we wouldn't learn anything if all we did was screw up our planet and when sh** hit the fan..... oh plz mr ET can you come and clean up our sh** ... we were naughty humans .... again. lol. Nah... you have to learn from your mistakes and take responsibility for your own actions or we will never progress as a civilized people.

reply to post by zorgon


Hey my bad ! You know I somehow managed to forget all about that lil Coulter spiel. Thanks a lot Zorgon.

I have an idea. Since Fukushima is apparently thousands of times more harmful to the environment than all the nuclear weapons testing ever done on Earth, why don't we just drop a 10 megaton nuke on the plant? Doesn't that after all duplicate the sun?
Come on people.
The people aren't dead in Japan because this isn't the end of the Northern hemisphere like people on here seem so desperate to believe.

reply to post by zorgon


An Coulter should go live by the reactor in japan to prove her point. But it probably wouldn't affect her. You supposedly can put a cockroach in a microwave and its just fine.

reply to post by lostangel818


This is what I was thinking as I read this. Over the past year i've been sicker than I think I ever have been. I've had lots of high fevers, thrown up for the first time in years [and multiple times after that], and generally just been very sick. I've been to the doctor multiple times but they found nothing wrong with me. I wonder if it could be caused by something like this?

Originally posted by Erectus
I have an idea. Since Fukushima is apparently thousands of times more harmful to the environment than all the nuclear weapons testing ever done on Earth, why don't we just drop a 10 megaton nuke on the plant? Doesn't that after all duplicate the sun?
Come on people.
The people aren't dead in Japan because this isn't the end of the Northern hemisphere like people on here seem so desperate to believe.

I comprehend that it is not as bad as some people make it out to be, or mistakingly are led to believe, BUT some things should NOT be in private hands. I have repeatedly emphasized nuclear reactors, oil/gas exploration/development/exploitation should be PUBLIC because these sectors are too dangerous to put profit over safety and common sense.

Yes the government knew best under stalin. I am not for communism and/or socialism. I am for a mixed economy where major industry is public and everyone enjoys a nice clean healthy enviroment with reasonable prices.

Leaving everything to private hands is simply a disaster that is too big to deal with, waiting to happen! Since I own a small business I know profit comes first and maintainance costs are an anathema. I try to keep my overhead as low as possible.

How can people mistakengly tolerate big business, which ONLY cares about profits, having a hold of nuclear energy? The stupid propaganda of bush, reagan and thatcher defies belief....... These people were notorious for privatisation and leveraged buyouts. If you are a conservative, do me a favor and leave this planet before you destroy it with your selfish stupidity or learn what common sense is.

This is you flesh on Plutonium. It doesn't take much. And it does take time for the mutated cells to grow into tumors despite the bodies defenses . And even more time for most of the stuff to work its way around the planet and get into the food chain where you can ingest it. Be patient . This is year one.

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reply to post by wulff

Greetings:

It is very simple.

We do not possess an infallible launch program.

Plus the fact that one would reach a point of diminishing returns as just the U.S. produces a couple thousand tons more per year, on top of the approximately 70,000 tons already awaiting "permanent disposal."

ONE mishap with a rocket full of nuclear waste (including plutonium) would probably effectively seal the fate of mankind - if Nukushima hasn't already done so.

We discuss Fukushima at length in our signature threads.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

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Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
Here's the thing about Geiger counters:

Geiger counters are used to detect ionizing radiation, usually beta particles and gamma rays, but certain models can detect alpha particles.

Wiki

While Gamma and Beta are higher energy particles, it is the alpha emitters (isotopes of plutonium for example) that are really troubling. Most devices will not even detect these and some particular radionuclides can only be found through extensive lab testing.

In order to get an accurate measurement of how much radiation you are exposed to in any given area, you would need be able to examine minutely each and every square millimeter of exposed surface and countless cubic meters of air due to the random nature of the spread of the pollution.

Picture a stream of smoke off of the end of a cigarette and you have some idea of what we are dealing with here regarding the way these contaminants behave.

The aersolized particulates are sub-micron sized and are respirable (that is they would pass through the membranes in your lungs and enter your bloodstream) and depending on which particular isotope lodge in a different portion of your body.

Iodine seeks your thyroid gland, strontium is a bone seeker, and each of the other isotopes go to muscle or other organs. Luckily, the vast majority of the airborne releases peaked after the explosions of R3 & R4, but the waterborne release still continue and are exceedingly difficult to quantify.

If another big aftershock hits (and remember, there still has not been a M8+ sized quake which is still in the cards) and if the SFP (spent fuel pool) of R4 is spilled, then we are all in a much deeper pile of poo than we are presently in.

There is no way to avoid what is in the environment at this point, the best you can do is limit your exposure and hope for the best.

The Japanese live monitor has never looked any better to me since the beginning.
www.zamg.ac.at...

Also when the disaster first started there was no number on here over 30 which was Colorado because of their mountains of granite. Now look the numbers were all like 3 and 7's and now NY is in the 70's often
www.radiationnetwork.com...

Originally posted by BaronAlbatross

Originally posted by nukeworker
reply to post by PageAlaCearl

 

Not trying to downplay what has happened but , I work on reactors and background radiation has had NO change from before or after Japans event . I could tell you things that would send you spinning but due to who I work for I cant , sorry . In no way am I a troll or sent here for some dissinformation campaighn . I just find it funny how people freak out over this . Waste has been dumped for years by a lots of different people . I guess what I am trying to say is this was nothing new ! I will agree with you nuclear power is not the best option , but its out of my hands . Trust me I monitor the levels as I have children myself and I do live in the Northwest of the USA , anyway take care .

Although the current situation is anything but ideal being as it is among the most significant recent catastrophes, I would also like to remind readers that since the creation of atomic weaponry there have been over 2000 documented detonations worldwide. I also do not seek to downplay the severity of uncontained nuclear reactions but to ask the question of our planet's durability. I think it is necessary to consider the effects of previous distributions of radiation and determine in a more quantifiable and less speculative manner just what this means for life on our planet. Its obvious that we're not all dead or dying in droves over this specifically, but sickness increases when this type of event occurs. I say as long as we are not dead we still have the chance to heal ourselves, or at least rectify the situation or help others prepare for the effects.

The Radiative Legacy and those who defend it.

It is an affront to common sense for those in certain areas of influence to suggest that 2k worth of detonation and "we're all still here" is justification for the actions. "well, we all don't have cancer do we?" This kind of thinking begs the total reverse: how much better off would be all be had they NOT done this. how much better would the human body or the consciousness expressed through it be, were we not to have put all this human created radio active energy out and about?

The other false argument put out, often by the same people, is "well the sun puts out radiation and we can find it in bananas." This kind of logic, while perfect for a third grader, is beyond ridiculous as it somehow suggest that because radiation is found naturally, making more or more obscene versions is just fine. By the same logic, because someone killed another means all killing of others is fine because it just happens.

The human body has had to learn to adapt, in a TINY, like a few generations time, to untold EMF energy, untold radiation pollution, untold chemical pollution, untold pharma pollution, untold unknown pollution and the idea that because we can still stand makes it alright is nuts.

It is well too late to do any thing about the radiation put out there in the last 50 years by well meaning people - people who's sole purpose for doing the polluting via detonation was to FIND EFFICIENT WAYS TO KILL US beyond the side effects of polluting: maybe the detonation was to kill us slowly, or dumb us down over time, or alter our dna to create what we are now - docile, fearful, obedient slaves. There has to be a point, and maybe soon, where the human folks just look at the state of the hidden poison and just walk off the planet for good.

rant over.