Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

what concerns me is the total lack of any media coverage. i live in Britain and we hear nothing of this anymore. I'm not sure of the damage it could do over here. any of you knowledgeable people have any info of the effects on Europe and around the world?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
The only way to make a difference is if we can get the governments and corporations to reverse their act and actually do things the right way, even if it is the harder way.

If these entities are not willing to even admit there is a problem, we are screwed because they have all of the resources, technology, manpower, etc, that is required to actually make a difference in a disaster of this nature.

Also we would need the entire scientific and inventor communities of Earth to work together to help develop new technologies to aid in clean up efforts, and then for the governments and corporations to invest in them and get them out in the field making a difference.

Well said!

Originally posted by Drew99GT
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Like I said earlier, from what it looks like, the nuclear power industry WORLDWIDE never calculated or planned in a realistic, practical, logistical way of what to do with nuclear waste from commercial reactors. They talk about burying it in places like Yucca Mountain, and they have buried some of it, but the vast majority of these spent fuel rods just sit in pools of water either above the reactor cores or off site. Those pols need cooling system to pump fresh water in to keep the rods cool. Imagine if a catastrophic event knocked out the power grid in the US; the US has 100s of times more spent fuel than any other country just sitting in these pools.

This is so scary I would rather not think about it. But I am not the one raking in millions per year with a top secret clearance either, so I should not have to think about it! Those that get paid SHOULD or they are lynching the tax payer like the parasites they truely are.

No one should be granted an operating license to perform anything they have no control over. Either prove you have solutions for most problems or get the hell out of the way and let someone else take over. Cutting corners to increase the bottom line for the shareholders, gross negligence and incompetance SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED! I remember in china someone actually got executed by the state for putting melamine in baby food. I think we need for more executions, higher fines, longer jail sentences for corporate executives who through their actions cause great problems to the world.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by Drew99GT

Originally posted by XtraTL
This thread contains the biggest load of rubbish I've seen posted on ATS.

The reactors at Fukushima are in cold shutdown, all below 70 degrees C. The radiation that is being talked about is *inside the containment vessel* making it difficult for the endoscopes and other equipment to obtain photos of the *inside* of the reactor containment vessel.

There is still radioactive water that has been leaking and they are taking measures to pour concrete into the nearby sea to prevent contamination. But measurements close to the reactor vicinity show that there is only very low levels of contamination in the nearby ocean.

The reactors no longer have the capability of releasing radioactive material off site via the atmosphere.

Now please explain how, given the containment of the problem to the site and in the occasional leak of contaminated water into the ocean that the US is is any danger whatsoever?

The thread title is absolute rubbish. Concrete nuclear reactors in cold shutdown do not "fall apart". You people are unbelievable.

That is all fine and dandy.............until reactor 4 building, which is listing heavily, falls over and the cooling pool for the spent fuel rods drains and the rods become exposed to air. If another large Earthquake occurs, it's almost inevitable that all the spent fuel at Fukushima will go up like a Roman candle. Do you not agree with that? that is wha all the experts are worried about!

Why not subject the rods to hydrogen plasma?

Transmutation?

You mean reverse the fission process by fusion, or something else?

I find it awfully surreptitious that you need a Q-Clearance to be a nuclear engineer, then when you become a nuclear engineer you are just as dumbfounded about theory and practical solutions as someone with a bachelors in business administration. Substitute the "you" with nuclear engineer.

And according to Bob Lazar who worked with reverse-engineering alien craft there are 30 plus levels of security clearance above Q-clearance. Is this not suspicious and what could be the motive for that? To keep people ignorant of the most magnificent things in life or to prevent wannabe al-queda terrorists from developing suitcase-sized nuke packages?



The ptb are evil despots. Plain and simple! Even a low tech solution like what the russians did would have been much better than doing what the TEPCO government is doing. Indeed TEPCO is running the show, just like BP was running the show in america.

Originally posted by Ph03n1x
what concerns me is the total lack of any media coverage. i live in Britain and we hear nothing of this anymore. I'm not sure of the damage it could do over here. any of you knowledgeable people have any info of the effects on Europe and around the world?

Because all the owners of major media are masonic buddies of the Bilderberg group that meet in absolute secrecy each year throughtout the world.

They discuss wall street insider information with all the stooges we have in government, what will be the next disaster and the projected death toll, when we will have our fake alien invasion(project bluebeam), when the piggs of europe will collapse to initiate the global currency, mind control and alien based technological implants such as rfid, what kind of false flag to use in america to take guns away from the population, what kind of false flag to use to start ww3, etc......

After it is all done, they hire the best prostitutes to finish the night. I am sure everyone feels really good paying tax money to our corpo-masonic government. "by the people and for the people" was a summer's night pipedream that never materialised.

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Your post just made me think about the fear mongering we're constantly exposed to, and how this accident is actually TOO scary to be useful to the TPTB's agenda!
You'd think that this would be the penultimate in fear porn for them but they can't/havent really used it much at all.
If the real cat was let out of the bag, there'd be a lot less people staying home and consuming in front of the idiot box that's for sure.

Wow... i was on my nephew's b'day yesterday and when talking to my brother it came onto the subject of fukushima and how the total media blackout about it was more worrying then comforting.

We didn't go into it too deep because he's kind of a "head in the sand" guy.. and now i see this thread..

I don't think i'll tell my brother his kid (who became 2 y'day) isn't likely to ever get out of his teen years....

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so you had nothing serious to contribute then.

Hello to all ATSers.

I have completed reading through page three. I have to study, but I (up to page three) have yet to see the voice of reason spoken. I am waiting for this voice of reason, but have to study for a while.

Therefore I would like to appeal to the voice of reason, if it is out there. If this voice has yet to be heard (because he/she has not spoken in this thread) then I ask that you do. I would like to hear your voice.

You know, the one that is saying this, while very bad, will not kill everyone on the planet. (explaining in accordance to your knowledge of half-life and so forth)

Also, I will be back another time in which to look for this voice (which has already spoken in this thread God Willing)

Thank you for your time.

Jameela

Originally posted by Romekje


I don't think i'll tell my brother his kid (who became 2 y'day) isn't likely to ever get out of his teen years....

This is one of the biggest Disinformation i read here since a very long Time,
Fukushima is a one of the biggest industrial Disaster but it is not the end
of our Civilization!

The numbers of Deaths because of Fukushima will be minimal,
stop to assume that your Nephew will not be a Twen,
inform yourself about Radiation, about Fukushima and the Levels in your Hometown,
please do it otherwise your Fear will eat you alive!

Originally posted by lzkaware
I have a serious question! Would any of you cancel your Hawaii Trip In May because of the situation? Hypothetical

Absolutely.

Recently my wife needed to go to SE Asia because a relative died. I wasn't too keen on it but I understood she just "had" to go. So, I looked for flights on United and I was surprised to see there were flights that went direct to SE Asia. I have been flying to SE Asia for 16-ish years and you always stop in Tokyo for a few hours. So, I still wasn't keen on the deal but at least they flew over Japan; or so I thought.

I booked the ticket. Later my wife printed the itinerary and said she thinks it stops in Tokyo. I assured her it didn't. She pulled out the itinerary and next to the flight there is a tiny asterisks. If you really look around on the page you will find some tiny type 8 font which has only a few words which say either "plane change" or something else to that affect.

I call United and ask. The lady says that it does in-fact stop in Tokyo, even though it doesn't directly show up on the itinerary. She stated that it didn't show up because there was no plane change. Just get off a plane, stand around for a few hours while they fuel it up and stuff, then get back on the same plane. I pointed out to her that the return had a complete plane change and it also wasn't clearly shown in the itinerary. I then asked her if this was in an attempt to hide the Tokyo layover because of the radiation.

She said, "please hold" and transferred me.

A lady picked up and stated she was some sort of manager and asked me what the issue was. I explained the issue and that I had absolutely no intention of having any of my family fly through Tokyo because of concerns about radiation. She didn't even bat an eye and rebooked the flight through Europe. No change fees, no fuss, no additional charges, nothing.

In all my years flying I have never had an airline make a change with absolutely no fuss. Not even that they volunteered the change, gave us a more expensive flight and didn't charge a penny.

Very strange.

ETA: Immediately after the disaster in Fuku we stopped eating anything that came from the Pacific. If we could tell. Not everything is labelled. We don't eat anything that is "product of Japan", we don't eat Pacific Tuna, we stopped eating Sushi from places that get their fish from Pacific fishermen. (ask you sushi chef, if they don't know where the fish comes from you shouldn't be eating there anyhow, ick) We check that all of our fish are farm raised or come from the Atlantic. Seafood at your regular run-of-the-mill chain restaurant (ie Red Lobster (also ick)) is completely off the menu, they have no idea where they get their bulk shipments from before the slap it on a plate after burning it somehow.

We were talking about a Hawaii trip a couple years ago, no chance of that now. I also just opt-ed out of a business trip to SoCal.

I don't mess with that radiation mess. Perhaps I am getting dosed anyhow, but not because I am being complacent about it. This is going to be a huge problem. Even if they don't leak one more rad from that place, it will still be 10's of THOUSANDS of years before those isotopes are gone.

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You know that the Flight to SE-Asia and Return will be like

ca. 83 Days here in Tokyo

Radiation Flight New York-Tokyo- New York
will be ca 200 Microsievert,
at the moment we have ca. 0.10 Microsievert per Hour this is 2.4 Microsievert a Day
knowledge.allianz.com.../radiation-threat-nuclear-fallout-harmful

interesting

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Really dude , Could you change the Goverment and we didnt do this to Japan ! I posted this because people like you are filling peoples head with info you cant comprehend . So I must be evil because I call bull on you scare tactics . So tiered of these youtube genious types - meaning you ! I am a Q-B P I worker for the Federal Govt. and we have cleaned up some of the fall out already . And since you dont know what those letters mean I will tell you ! CONTAMINATION WORKER . Happy now , did that save the world ? Did you know bananas have radiation along with brick houses also flying in a plane exposes you . Holy crap run for cover these things are killing mother earth ! I heard tinfoil hats will protect you ! just a heads up . NOW GO AWAY !

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I dont build them smart guy !

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Wow even if the truth slaps you in the face you wouldnt believe it ! TINFOIL HATS FOR EVERYONE !!! and this guy was being honest . I guess only the conspiracies on here hold merit . Oh well !

Originally posted by nukeworker
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Really dude , Could you change the Goverment and we didnt do this to Japan ! I posted this because people like you are filling peoples head with info you cant comprehend . So I must be evil because I call bull on you scare tactics . So tiered of these youtube genious types - meaning you ! I am a Q-B P I worker for the Federal Govt. and we have cleaned up some of the fall out already . And since you dont know what those letters mean I will tell you ! CONTAMINATION WORKER . Happy now , did that save the world ? Did you know bananas have radiation along with brick houses also flying in a plane exposes you . Holy crap run for cover these things are killing mother earth ! I heard tinfoil hats will protect you ! just a heads up . NOW GO AWAY !

I'm sorry, I don't understand anything you are saying at all. I don't even know what you are trying to say. I'm not sure if your subtext is the issue, the rampant anger, or the confusing syntax. Anyway, thanks for the hate, feels rather fun to me in a some way, as in times of trouble the best thing to soothe the soul is hate, anger, screaming and name calling - it's what humans do best I think.

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Troll confirmed.


I like when people bring up the analogy of banana's though. I like measuring how many sievert's I'm ingesting.

Originally posted by homerJ
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Your post just made me think about the fear mongering we're constantly exposed to, and how this accident is actually TOO scary to be useful to the TPTB's agenda!
You'd think that this would be the penultimate in fear porn for them but they can't/havent really used it much at all.
If the real cat was let out of the bag, there'd be a lot less people staying home and consuming in front of the idiot box that's for sure.

My belief is that it is very useful, just not quite yet. When you see the concern, especially concern over reactor 4, hit the MSM, then be concerned. My guess is they'll follow the standard PR profile which is 3 months, 3 weeks, 3 days. This is the pattern for getting things in people's heads When it starts to show up regularly on the MSM, the true meaning will be revealed. I have seen more in the last week MSNBC (don't watch tv saw a clip) WSJ, G4 (again saw a clip) and most importantly the first US Congress person visiting and making the rounds. This tells me it has begun, when the intensity ratchets up, look for reactor 4 to go down in a heap shortly there after. My time frame is around the Olympics - they symbols in the opening ceremonies will show us a lot.

How's that for fear mongering, conspiracy speculating and conjecture?

From one of my favorite posts in the megathread:

I have come to realise that anyone who mentioned bananas in relation to radioactivity is in fact bananas themselves!

No, Fukushima is not instant doom.

It is a long, slow, insidious, invisible poisoning that could be extremely damaging to many people and animals in our planet.

More than 20 years in and Chernobyl is still causing problems and that plant wasn't operating for nearly as long as Daiichi had been.

The spent fuel is extremely toxic and that's where nuclear power FAILS.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
A lot of what ofhumandescent is saying is right on target. I guess with that kind of life experience one might acquire a high tolerance for straight talk and a low tolerance for BS.

Nuclear technology is the only technology that mankind is involved with where we don't have the knowledge, ability or techniques to manage the technology from A to Z. Burying the waste products for thousands of years inside mountains is not managing the technology.

When we can neutralize radioactivity, it can be widely deployed in all kinds of ways, but until we can neutralize it, its use should be restricted to the laboratory or to the experimental institution. There should be no nuclear industry, until a way to render radioactive materials nonradioactive is found.

There is no endgame strategy for nuclear technology.

If we are going to rely on this genie, and make no mistake about it, we are going to rely on this genie, we absolutely must know how to put it back in the bottle.

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original post here

The problem of what to do with waste that is dangerous for periods of time that are longer than acknowledged human history is so vast that scientists have to consider the possibility that languages may drift enought that the warnings will no longer be legible to those who come after us.

That is insane.