Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

I'm with you on our environment being a closed system. The totality of our diregard will in the end produce the results that everyone here is harping about. I have no doubt. We already see it. The animal die offs, the falling reproduction rates of amphibians, weather changes, so on and so on. Based on what I know of physics and radiation Fukushima isn't the straw that breaks the camels back. Maybe if the rods catch fire we'll see the mega release of material that would be needed for this to play out as described. Now I'm far from well versed in physics being an archeology student (though I'm not the average head in the clouds guy either). Some of you seem up on your physics much better than I. If the actual radiactive material is not dispersed into the environment in large quantities how is this a much bigger deal than a 50 megaton nuclear detonation? That's what I can't get past.
Maybe it's the iodine tablets making Bob sick. I can't imagine I'm so vile as to.

It is interesting to me that many folks are talking about the radiation issues as if the whole thing is over and we're just going to have to accept some minor problems here and there.

Nothing is resolved and it seems very clear to many that there will be no resolution in either the short or even intermediate term. That means that millions of tons of radioactive water will pour into the sea for 10-20 years maybe more at the rate the issues is being resolved - 1 year later and NO resolution at all, not even a clue as to what is really happening.

I have seen a bunch of folks in this thread, proclaim via their posts, to be experts on the topic of radiation. Now, without sounding condescending i KNOW these aren't book smart people but people who have actually handled radiation first hand, not read about it, as I can't imagine anyone would shout so loudly about theoretical knowledge - only people with first hand, actual experience with radioactive isotopes and their effect on people would be so forthcoming.

I ask those who have posted, posted the loudest and the brashest, to tell us their personal answers to the problem. We have heard enough "radiation is radiation, it doesn't matter where from and the ocean is huge...." tell us what can be done to stop the flood, the meltdown, and more importantly clean it up. It isn't enough to be an expert at how the game would be played if you played, play it - take your knowledge and find solutions to: money, will, logistics, people, health, pollution world wide, another quake, meltdown etc.

If seaweed in CA has radiation from the reactor in the plants, it would seem that everything has it. Cumulative effects of this nature, from my knowledge is SPECULATION, but clearly there are experts here who have direct, expert knowledge of both the short term and long term effects from eating such man made creations. If I get it in my water, my sushi, my milk and my air, and I don't care about cancer but I care about my general health - what are we to expect? Please, no "book smart" answers but actual real world answers based on actual real world experience with say DU, or Chernybol.

Those who ranted earlier about the stupidity of those positing please chime in with some real answers, not more "god you people are so stupid, the sun is radioactive..." as the concern of folks posting, and reading is real, not ignorance but real based on the fact they've never touched an cesium, uranium, plutonium isotope and never swallowed it in their food.

A Navajo reservation in Utah was mined for uranium in the 1950s. Carelessly I might add. Local residents have experienced an increase of lung cancer. A 1997 EPA test confirmed radiation levels of 80 times above normal. The nature of the emitter of the radiation is pulverized tailings from the mining operation. I wasn't there and this isn't much info, but it's all I can reliably add. 80 times above normal is actually still not very high. Many times less than a lethal dose, and cancer rates are definitely elevated.

Originally posted by blackcalx
I don't believe the media is reporting this historical and horrific event because if the general population knew how drastic the situation was it'd be anarchy. The puppet masters want to keep the normalcy bias in effect as long as possible in an effort to maintain us as fatuous consumers floating a bullcrap economy.

The one thing I don't understand is how the powers that be think they are immune from this lethal radiation. Is everyone suicidal or do they have a magic pill I don't know about?

Read "The Casebook for Alternative 3."

13 minutes of coverage,that's it that's all. Think of it Your great,great,great,great,great,great,great grand kids get to check radiation at your grave site,before they place the flowers.Was that hour of power worth that much!

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I completely agree, I cant believe the reactions you have been getting on here, this is a very bad thing but it is not a "Dooms Day" thing!

Nothing but fear mongers wishing for a dooms day, star for you sir!

We have to shut down all nuclear power plants that are not self sustaining in a no power, no coolant environment. What i mean by that is that if you still need power and coolant in a reactor design to stop a melt down from happening then the reactor isn't safe.

I know France has built some of these reactors.

en.wikipedia.org...

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If you stop posting now, if you give up, they have achieved what they set out to do!

Don't let the naysayers get you down.

Even if some of what you say never becomes reality IT STILL NEEDED SAYING!

If only one persons eyes are opened it was worth it!

I have followed this thread from page 1, post 1 and I will continue to read it until this whole thing is done and finished and I fully believe that there are MANY MANY others that will do the same!

No-one knows how this thing is going to end, not even the "experts" and the self proclaimed "experts", if you, we, are not there to question and explore, with no-one there to keep a check, to force those that create problems like this to rethink the way things have been done till now there will no doubt be NO FUTURE to look forward to!

Flagged and many starred this thread!

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Thirteen months have passed since the Fukushima reactors exploded, and a U.S. Senator finally got off his ass and went to Japan to see what is going on over there.

What he saw was horrific.

And now he is saying that we are in big trouble.

See the letter he sent to U.S. Ambassador to Japan Ichiro Fujisaki, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and NRC’s Chairman Gregory Jaczko here.

I read the letter and no where does it sound like or say "that we are in big trouble". Obviously this is not good but the writer of that piece appears to be fear mongering and wanting people at his site to buy from the advertisers that offer up dried beans and dehydrated water.

Like i asked, what would happen if all of the fuel rods were bombed with a nuclear weapon?
would the rods be capable of fission with help from the nuke thus just setting off a large nuclear
explosion?
or would this just be the same as making the ultimate "dirty bomb"? Also the rods that are being cooled
in reactor pond in No4, do they act like a nuclear pile, would separating them from one another make them
any cooler as opposed to them being close to each other?
I do have some knowledge of nuclear physics but not in the field of "by products" any answers are appreciated
and please these are serious questions.maybe one of US may have the answer to the problem and education
on this subject can only help us understand what we are dealing with here and what WILL & WONT work.

Originally posted by stealthyaroura
Like i asked, what would happen if all of the fuel rods were bombed with a nuclear weapon?
would the rods be capable of fission with help from the nuke thus just setting off a large nuclear
explosion?
or would this just be the same as making the ultimate "dirty bomb"? Also the rods that are being cooled
in reactor pond in No4, do they act like a nuclear pile, would separating them from one another make them
any cooler as opposed to them being close to each other?
I do have some knowledge of nuclear physics but not in the field of "by products" any answers are appreciated
and please these are serious questions.maybe one of US may have the answer to the problem and education
on this subject can only help us understand what we are dealing with here and what WILL & WONT work.

This I'd like to know as well

ESPECIALLY from out "physics majors" who-- based on their stance-- should know the exact answer to this.

Originally posted by Bishbop09
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I completely agree, I cant believe the reactions you have been getting on here, this is a very bad thing but it is not a "Dooms Day" thing!

Nothing but fear mongers wishing for a dooms day, star for you sir!

with all due respect...you have no idea how future generations will have their DNA altered because of this...is it doomsday for us now living? no, i don't think so...but i have a 24 year old son thinking of marriage that is living out here in california, and i'm wondering how this will affect his children, or his children's children. do we need a QUICK death toll of 100, 100,000 or a million people to finally give the middle finger to nuclear power? imagine how many hundreds of acres of solar panels, and how many hundreds of wind turbines could be built for the price of one 10 billion dollar nuclear power plant.

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Well stated!
Most of the people who are shouting "fear mongerer!" only live in the Now. They have no concern for tomorrow or a decade from the present day. Frankly, they can't see past the tips of their noses.

Looks like it will be another Chernobyl wasteland. US plans to build 20 more reactors. Hope they are better than that Mark 1 reactor system that the "GE three" resigned over. Wasn't that what Fukushima had?

I feel lucky to live in Australia, we seem to dodge alot of bullets, natural and unatural (war) most of the time. This is scary stuff, and i'd happily let people stay in my home if need be.

Ive known since the day it happened this wasn't being discussed publicly enough, while I understand to an extent why MSM and the governments chose not to at the time, a year has passed and there are too many still in the dark. Its obvious that some poeple up top dont mind if we lose a few million. If they did we'd be seeing more cautions. Scary indeed. S+F

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I did not state anything about our future generations, our DNA is consistently evolving and I know this will not make a positive impact, what I am regarding is the people who says "The world is gonna become barren with in weeks!" that short of crap, it annoys me that good posts like this become polluted just like this is polluting our planet with crap like that..... you will see I don't post much but I had to say something when I had seen the back lash this user was getting for jus being plain logical.

If HAARP and weather manipulation is real, perhaps we can use it to keep the weather around Fukushima stable. If we can stabilize the weather and prevent another disaster from further damaging the plant, we can slowly clean up this mess.

Much damage has already been done, but what can we really do to prevent it? Money should not even be an issue in regards to this catastrophe; what value does money hold when the entire world is uninhabitable?

If life quality is to deteriorate over the next few years, I don't mind. I'd rather be dead than suffer a lifetime of cancer and radiation poisoning, so if it comes to that I'll off myself. Probably via carbon monoxide. When you think about it, upon death all the burdens of this world are lifted from your shoulders, which makes it desirable over watching the planet burn.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Are you people insane, or just plain Ignorant?

1 mole of 238U emits 3×10^6 alpha particles per second...

...Around 99.284% of natural uranium is uranium-238

en.wikipedia.org...

while the oceans may contain 10^13 kg (2×10^13 lb).

en.wikipedia.org...

10,000,000,000,000 kilograms of Uranium occurs naturally in the oceans.

One mole of Uranium 238 is 238 grams... Or, approximately one fourth of a kilogram

This means that the Oceans release... GET READY FOR THIS...

120,000,000,000,000,000,000 Becquerel per second.

Yes, you read that right... that's 120 QUINTILLION Becquerels.

Stop fear-mongering you ignorant peasants.

"Oh No, It's going to end the world!!!!"

No it's not... Grow up.

It’s not just in dandelions but in other flowers, fruits, vegetables, and vegetation – 3rd plant species found mutated in 3rd location in Michigan.

I just finished reporting on the discovery of mutated strawberries in Michigan which are speculated to be a result of Fukushima nuclear fallout despite certain pro nuclear who have argued that such mutations would not happen this soon after the disaster.

theintelhub.com...

Despite the fact that the US government claimed that there was no danger posed to the United States due to the Fukushima nuclear disaster, recent NRC documents prove that there was a large scale criminal conspiracy to cover up the dangers.

Yep, TOTALLY NORMAL - "silly ignorant peasants" - nice - now I'm not gonna go call you ignorant or a peasant or tell you to grow up - I think the information speaks for itself


Mutated strawberries yummy!!

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I wouldn't cancel a vacation. Cancel work! Get out and LIVE!