Zimmerman DID have BLOODIED head NEW photo shows

reply to post by johngrissom


Wow. You are truly what's wrong w/ America. Had the kid just stopped and answered some questions from a man he didn't know... Who was aggressive... He might not have been gunned down.

Please America... Read the constitution of the united states...

This poster honestly thinks its ok to shoot and kill if you don't follow the directions of a stranger chasing you.
I thought 911 and Bush and friends floored me.....it shook me to my very heart and soul. I thought nothing would ever top it....now this.

ZIMMERMAN WAS TOLD TO BACK OFF AND GO HOME! He broke the law and killed a kid because he couldn't follow directions and people have the mind to say he's innocent. You all make me sick!

I am a person lately that is ashamed to be American. I don't want to be a part of corrupt entitled murdering assholes anymore. I've had enough of Washington and people that discriminate like Zimmerman and then applauded. It makes me sick!!!!!!

reply to post by captaintyinknots


And how would he be protected more.........please site some proof here.......instead of open speculation......


Keep in mind I reserve the right to not make judgements on who is right or wrong on this case , because i simply do not have the facts and will not begin to pass a judgement....

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

And how would he be protected more.........please site some proof here.......instead of open speculation......


Keep in mind I reserve the right to not make judgements on who is right or wrong on this case , because i simply do not have the facts and will not begin to pass a judgement....

Simple-Zimm was the one with a deadly weapon. Zimm left a safe area to put himself in the threatening situation. At this point there is ZERO evidence that Tray did anything but try to get away from the situation.

Im not saying Zimm wont be protected by SYG-I'm simply saying citing that law is silly, as Tray has more of a defense within that law than Zimm.

reply to post by stanguilles7

You get that the reason this became a big issue in the media is because he wasn't originally arrested and charged with murder so that he could be innocent until proven guilty, right?

Whats your point? Daniel Adkins' murderer wasn't charged and he still hasn't been charged, even though he clearly gunned down an unarmed man in a taco bell parkinglot and then he drove away from the scene of the crime and he was not even arrested. In fact the media tried to hide the fact it was a blackman who murdererd him because of the whole Trayvon thing. Adkins' murder didn't even make national news, i had to actually do some digging to find out what the media was covering up.

So why is Adkin's murderer not being brought to justice when Zimmeran is going to trial hm? Huge double standard here my friend.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


but youre wrong here........he actually does NOT....

Even if he was provoked by zimmerman he is still protected........here is the law.......

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant;

or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Im not saying you ahve to agree with it, but even if he did provoke an attack or even attacked him, if he tried to remove himself/ retreat or otherwise felt under extreme threat, he still is covered under the law.......

It is what it is in that section...........whether its right or not is a WHOLE nother can of worms

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

but youre wrong here........he actually does NOT....

Even if he was provoked by zimmerman he is still protected........here is the law.......

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant;

or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Im not saying you ahve to agree with it, but even if he did provoke an attack or even attacked him, if he tried to remove himself/ retreat or otherwise felt under extreme threat, he still is covered under the law.......

It is what it is in that section...........whether its right or not is a WHOLE nother can of worms

You're missing what I am saying.

As I already said, Zimm may very well be protected by the law, especially in Florida and Texas, where SYG laws are written extremely vaguely.

What I am saying is that Tray, ALSO, is protected by the law. Meaning it will basically make a SYG defense by Zimm null and void.

Also, is there any evidence whatsoever that Zimm tried to withdraw from physical contact? By his own admission, and by the recordings, all we know is that he pursued. I have seen ZERo evidence that he EVER tried to withdraw.

Again, I am not trying to get into too much of a debate here. We simply dont have all the facts. The courts will decide what happens.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000



What's wrong w/ you? Zimmerman before he even crossed paths w/ TV....called 911... 911 said..." what? Your following him?.... NO.... Stop...turn around...go home!!!! You do not have permission. That in itself...makes him guilty of murder!!!!!! Nothing after those words were spoken, matters.

What is wrong w/ you? I was floored to see you give this excuse.... There has to be a reason people like you pass over this hard, cold, can't take it back....FACT! He was told to STOP!

You know, it's funny....you act just like hannity when debating 911. You try to find ways around the facts that you can not argue your way out of...unless, you don't know what the word fact means?


Zimmerman was told under No un-certain terms... To stop... And go home!!!!

You cannot parrot your way around that fact.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


nono i understand you arent...

But as far as i can tell, martin isnt protected under this law.....

and the fact that we dont know if he tried to remove himself from the altercation or not OR if he attacked him first makes all the difference in the world........

I dont see anywhere in the whole citation of the law itself that protects Travon in this case......

Point is im not sure there is anything that can...........

We shall see i guess tho........

To be quite honest, im more interested to see what happens in teh aftermath...........

I think its there we will see the true intent behind the media in all this

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

To be quite honest, im more interested to see what happens in teh aftermath...........

I think its there we will see the true intent behind the media in all this

Assuming the voice screaming for help on the recording is proven to be Tray's, which all signs point to right now, that in itself lays ground for a SYG defense for his side. But I digress....

You and me both. The entire thing has been so sensationalized from both sides that I simply do not see a way that it ends well....

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

To be quite honest, im more interested to see what happens in teh aftermath...........

I think its there we will see the true intent behind the media in all this

You and me both. The entire thing has been so sensationalized from both sides that I simply do not see a way that it ends well....

I really dont either..........the whole damn thing just seems so contrived on both sides..........there are few subjects i distance myself from.....

but i just get a really bad vibe off this one, and tho i initially started to weigh in on the threads, i had to remove myself........

the whole thing just seems..........off

reply to post by tracehd1


You either completely dont know what youre talking about or are lying through your teeth. A 911 disparcher is not a cop. They have no authority. The dispatcher said "we dont need you to do that." Hardly a command. Barely a suggestion.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

What a horrible and obvious distortion of the facts.

The reason this case ever got any national attention, or any press at all, was because Zimmerman was never even arrested.

Please..... the only reason this got national attention is that it was a Black Youth shot by a White Man. If it were two White people involved or two Black people involved, nobody in the rest of the Country would have even heard about it.

The media and those opportunists around, know exactly what strings to pull to elicit the response they want.

I'm going to inject a FACT that many here are missing.

NOBODY has any proof the Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin.

Equally NOBODY has proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

There were only two people that were there and one of them is dead. It's almost impossible by now to prove who attacked who and I doubt it will ever be done. It's basically Zimmerman's word against the evidence, and there is NO evidence of what happened up to Martin's death.

Even the Prosecution admitted they have none.

As far as the blood on Zimmerman's head, the photo was allegedly taken at 3:00 minutes after death. Which is a fallacy because cameras can be off by a few minutes. Who took the photo also?

And finally, blood on the back of the head proves nothing but it is evidence that at ONE time, Zimmerman was on his back or being dominated in a fight and goes with the story that his head was being bashed against pavement.
That's all it proves.

reply to post by tracehd1


Dispatchers are not the authority. The police did not arrest Zimmerman that night because there appeared to be no crime to them. In fact the only reason Zimmerman was even arrested was because of the black community putting pressure on the police for "justice" and i'd lay my money on the Mayor caving in to their demands was to prevent a riot from happening.

The entire reason for having a judical system is to prevent this very thing from happening. We are taking a backwards slide back into the 1800's and below, caving in to the demands of lynch mobs.

BTW, you neglected everything i said i about Daniel Adkin' murderer. What about him, hm? Where' Adkin's justice? Where's the lynch mob demanding justice for him? Where's Obama's outrage at his murder? No public sentiments and condolences from the White House for Adkins. His murderer still hasn't been arrested and I doubt he will ever be. Ofcourse the media doesn't care, he's not a black man they can use to fan the flames of their witch hunt so he goes unnoticed.

I believe that Zimmerman should have been arrested though. An event happened which ended in murder.

The 911 tapes possibly have Zimmerman saying "coons", but that hasn't been submitted into evidence, and the police didn't know what he said at first. So post event, there is evidence of a racially motivated crime.

But just the fact that there was no arrest in this case at first has me baffled, just by the initial event I think it warranted at least him in cuffs and a hearing. But a judge who knows more then me disagrees.

Originally posted by hanyak69
reply to post by RobinB022

 

Where is the proof he interjected himself into the situation he was just observing an individual in an area that has a history of breakins. How was he to defend himself if he was getting his head smashed into the concrete??????
You make no sense. Sorry but you don't.

He would have had no need to defend himself had he not followed Trayvon and injected himself into the boys life, making this situation out of nothing at all. You may think that I make no sense, but obviously not everyone agrees with you, otherwise Zimmerman would not be facing Murder2.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


But the lead investigator did want to arrest Zimmerman...
He was then not arrested due to the vagueness that is the SYG law, which upon review, more and more people concede he did not fall under.

I don't think based upon Zimmerman's explanation to the police that he has a valid Stand Your Ground claim. He's not saying that he was assaulted frontally and then made a decision not to retreat because he thought he had to use deadly force.

He's basically saying old-fashioned self-defense: I was struck, I was knocked down, I was on the ground, and I had to physically defend myself.

- Former assistant state attorney (Florida) Abe Laser

Also, if Zimmerman was as innocent as some believe, the prosecution would not be gunning for Murder 2, but would instead be going to manslaughter charges. Which makes us wonder, what does the prosecution know that we don't know, to make them go for a Murder 2 charge?

'Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, an act imminently dangerous to another, and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life.'

We are going to find out that the prosecution has one or more pieces of physical evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's story," [H.T.] Smith predicted. "I don't believe the prosecutor would rest the prosecution and proving second-degree murder on witness testimony... This case is going to turn on forensic evidence.

I am guessing the prosecution has proof that the voice screaming for help is actually Treyvons, and not Zimmerman's like he claims.

reply to post by Blarneystoner


You make it sound like he pulled his gun and waved it around and stuck in his face. I have seen nothing like that said or read. I hear he did not pull his gun until after he was getting his head banged against the sidewalk.
You add to much of your own words to the case. Go with what has been served to us, with out the bias that you possess.

reply to post by RobinB022


You are saying TM is an innocent bystander?????? So a person that follows me while they are talking on a cell phone I can beat him down?? Where was the threat that TM felt the need to beat the man???? I am offended cause people are painting him as a 7 yr old helpless kid, When you look at the facebook page he had you see a thug shooting both birds at the camera. He has an arrest record, Zimmerman had a reason to follow him seeing asw how there had been breakins in the subdivision.....Please I am African- american and I am offend with the stupidity......He is an angel and Zimmerman should be HUNG Stupid stupid stupid.....How do I really feel ??????
I will let you know.

reply to post by xEphon


Murder 2 because of politics only otherwise it would have been self defense.
I can not wait to see the outcome......Either way it will be interesting.