Kerry caught in another lie?

I found this article on a blog site.. pretty good stuff!

Apparently Kerry made a claim he was at the 1991 Safwan Airfield Iraqi cease-fire signing March 3, 1991.

He made the claim during an 1991 interview with Bill O'Reily:

O'REILLY: Yes, that was a classic mistake. But if you arm the Kurds in the north of Iraq, you're going to alienate one of our most valuable --

KERRY: I didn't say necessarily the Kurds. There are other members of the opposition. There are people who are outside the country prepared to go in. There are others inside the country. And I believe -- I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war.

And I remember seeing that land, which lent itself in my judgment, considerably to the creation of almost an enclave, which I thought we should have done then. And I think is one way to begin to approach things now, but there are other possibilities. The important thing is that Saddam Hussein and the world knows that we think Saddam Hussein is essentially out of sync with the times. He is and has acted like a terrorist. And he is engaged in activities that are unacceptable.

But according to this blog, John Kerry managed to miss no Senate votes during that week. On February 28th, Kerry voted to table an amendment during a roll-call vote. On March 6th, Kerry again managed to make a roll-call vote, this time voting against tabling an amendment by Senator Tom Harkin. It's not impossible for him to have been to Iraq and back, but it seems less likely.

And to narrow the time frame even more, he attended a fundraiser for Cultural Survival, Inc. and the Rainforest Alliance in Boston on March 4th.

Meanwhile, Sen. John F. Kerry, an honorary committee member, breezed in and out of the black-tie gala in minutes. The subject of fashion/style seemed an enigma to him. Kerry, wearing a business suit, stayed only long enough to accept a gift: a tin of candy called Rainforest Crunch.

no link - Boston Globe Newspaper March 4, 1991

Saturday night would have been March 2nd in Boston. However, since Iraq is several hours ahead of the East Coast, it would already have been Sunday, March 3rd in Safwan. It means that Kerry would have had to jet out in his fashion-enigma outfit, take the long flight to Iraq just to be in the country when the accord was signed, and then jet back pronto to attend the March 6th roll-call vote.

Now that's darned near impossible.

The Iraqi delegation arrived at Safwan at 11:30 AM and the meeting lasted two hours.

Baghdad is about 6000 miles ESE of Boston as the crow flies � the air route is no doubt longer. If Kerry left the soiree at 10PM Boston time, he would have had to make the trip to Safwan in about seven (7) hours to make the signing. The "crows" would have to average better than 850 mph.

Source

Apparently, Kerry wasn't at the signing of the cease-fire.. He was in Iraq more then 2 weeks later..

Source - Boston Globe archive dated March 17, 1991. Paul writes:

I was in Iraq during that time and remember Kerry and a group of senators visiting. However, I think the dates mentioned are incorrect. To my knowledge (I could be wrong), Kerry wasn't at the cease-fire signing.

Here is a Boston Globe story dated March 17, 1991. I cut and pasted the whole article for you from Lexis-Nexis. If I follow this correctly, Kerry claims that he went over on 3 March 91 and then *returned* on 15 March 91?

I'll put relevant excerpts from the article in the extended entry. It shows that Kerry did indeed visit Iraq, but according to the article, he didn't arrive until March 16th.

Sounds like Kerry is a regular Chronic Liar to me!

Edit: Added more reference links.


[edit on 9/26/2004 by QuietSoul]

Originally posted by QuietSoul
Apparently Kerry made a claim he was at the 1991 Safwan Airfield Iraqi cease-fire signing March 3, 1991.

KERRY: I didn't say necessarily the Kurds. There are other members of the opposition. There are people who are outside the country prepared to go in. There are others inside the country. And I believe -- I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war.

Doesn't sound like he said he saw the signing to me - just sounds like a time reference for when he went. He went there at the end of the war, and that signing was a good point of time reference.

For example: I went to Spain this year - I went when the Madrid Train bombings were going on. I wasn't physically in the country of Spain at that exact moment, but you figured out real quick when approximately that was. The bombings were all over the news, and there was a bombing in the area while I was there. It was a reference, and you understood it.

I cannot wait for these elections to be over to just not have every paper, tv station, board being filled with the political he-said-she-said and spin on everything these people said for the last 30 years. So much is taken out of context, so much is spin we have no idea what "truth" is anymore.

Sounds like Kerry is a regular Chronic Liar to me!

I think all politicians are liars, but I agree ... Kerry is a regular chronic liar! One of the things that bugs me the most about him is that he never accepts responsibility for his judgement errors or mistakes. For example, in regard to Saddam, he was very much for removing Saddam from office. He said on numerous occassions that Saddam was a threat, no doubt about it, and that anyone that doubted that was wrong. Now he's saying that Saddam was never a threat and that Bush misled the Country. Kerry actually was privy to the same intel that Bush was and came up with the same conclusion. So for him to say that Bush misled HIM is weak at best and an outright lie at worst.

Kerry judges others on his 20/20 hindsight and yet does not judge himself the same way. If the threat of Kerry winning wasn't so real his flip flops and lies would be comical. Unfortunatly, it isn't a joke and we could end up with someone who will wait for the U.N. or others to make his decisions for him just so that he will never have to be held accountable for anything.

Jemison

I think all politicians are liars, but I agree ... Kerry is a regular chronic liar!

I completely agree all/most politicians are liars in some sense. But Kerry has this nack for exaggerating a story when theres no need to exaggerate it. If he'd tell his story without throwing in all the drama or unnecassary self-serving praises, he'd be fine. But I honestly can't picture him leading this country when he can barely control his own wartime fantasies and his constant public opinion flipflopping

Thank you Quiet Soul, I totally agree

QuietSoul. I've really got to hand it to you. Quite a find on the facts.
Then again, he may have an 'evil clone' that's out to make the presidential candidate look bad!
I just can't wait until Thursday night and watch the debate between him and Bush! Probably the most watched shoe on television that night!

A goverment official lying! NEVER

I guess this was after he was in Cambodia getting memories "seared" into his mind.

Originally posted by RedBalloon

Originally posted by QuietSoul
Apparently Kerry made a claim he was at the 1991 Safwan Airfield Iraqi cease-fire signing March 3, 1991.

KERRY: I didn't say necessarily the Kurds. There are other members of the opposition. There are people who are outside the country prepared to go in. There are others inside the country. And I believe -- I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war.

Doesn't sound like he said he saw the signing to me - just sounds like a time reference for when he went. He went there at the end of the war, and that signing was a good point of time reference.

Sorry but it looks very much like he tried to mislead (lie to) the public
and make them think he was involved with the signing and that he
was there at that exact time. I am taking his words at face value.
That's exactly what it looks like to me.

'I was there when ...' - means he was there.
Which of course, he wasn't.

Kerry lied. now he is waffeling on his "I own a communist chinese assault rifle" statement made for Outdoor life mag. according to his campaign, Kerry does not own an assault rifle, it was a mistake by an aide filling out the questionaire sent by the magazine. Appearently Kerry decided that he needed someone else to tell the magazine what his opinions are.

Michael Meehan, a spokesman for the campaign, said Mr. Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, owns two guns, a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun and the rifle, which Mr. Meehan said Mr. Kerry "keeps as a relic" and had never fired. Mr. Meehan said the gun had no make or model markings on it and that Mr. Kerry "got it from a friend years ago," adding that such rifles were first manufactured in Russia more than 100 years ago and were used by the North Koreans and the Vietcong.

www.nytimes.com...

[edit on 27/9/04 by jrsdls]

Doesn't sound like he said he saw the signing to me - just sounds like a time reference for when he went. He went there at the end of the war, and that signing was a good point of time reference.

Uhh...yeah. Seems this would be self evident to most with common sense... To jump to any other conclusion is really grasping at straws...

Can you remember exact dates of where you were or weren't 12-13 years ago? I know I can't. He used it as a point of reference...

Somehow I think any of Bush's lies and deceits count for more points... The flying out of his Saudi buddies, post 911, while the rest of the planes were grounded, certainly trumps any of Kerry's antics....

And I believe -- I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there when the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war.

He clearly says he was there WHEN it TOOK PLACE.. if he was there after it was signed, why didnt he say And I believe -- I mean, I was in Safwan. I went there after the signing of the armistice took place at the end of the war.

Regardless of which way you spin it, hes quoted saying he was there WHEN it was signed. Again, preaching politics to make himself seem more important then he is/was.

Regardless if it was 12 years ago, or 30 years ago, if I attended the signing of a Cease-Fire I would remember. If I was there AFTER it was signed, I would remember. A wartime cease-fire isnt just another peice of paper thats signed and stuff in the cabinets of the whitehouse.. its an end of a war

The flying out of his Saudi buddies, post 911, while the rest of the planes were grounded,

You know that didn't really happen, right? The "Bin-Laden" flight out actually took place 9/18/01, well after the flight ban was lifted. The bi-partisan 9/11 Commission addressed this Moore-ism.

Between Kerry constantly hving "false memories" and Gore's antics last election (I invented the internet) I am beginning to think the dems have become afraid of the whitehouse. Maybe its easier for them to lose the election and spend time criticising the president than it is to win the election and try to figure out what to do.

I think you should verify the quote before casting aspersions on Kerry's honesty.

1/ You're getting this from a blog.

2/The blogger is getting it from another unnamed source.

Find the original text of this supposed interview then move on from there.

BUMPING* This fella is going to be the new Secretary of Defense for Obama. Doesn't seem like he can get his facts straight .. or he out and out told a lie to make himself look more important. Is this who you all want as a Secretary of Defense??