A firefighter who was at the WTC told me he saw and heard the controlled demolition explosions

signature: "Nine-eleven was NOT an inside job, it was an Osama Bin Laden job with 19 people from Saudi Arabia, they murdered 3000 Americans and others foreigners including Muslims and we look like idiots, to deny that the people who murdered our fellow citizens did it, when they are continuing to murder other people around the world." - Pres. William Jefferson Clinton

Interesting. How many people did William Jefferson Clinton murder during his 8 years? And if the bad guys were from SA, why did we invade other places? To catch one guy on dialysis? Who just happened to be a CIA asset? Why, when he was supposedly caught, (and not just thawed out) was he executed rather than held as the world's best informant as to possible future terrorist activities? I'll tell you why, because the United States is the world's largest terrorist, with some help from the UK and a few other countries, that's why. Bin Laden was never much more than an annoyance and a long term bogeyman patsy. And every American who cheered on Bush II's Revenge War is guilty of murdering over 1 million innocent Iraqis.

If you watch the Dimitri Khalezov material, he maintains that because the WTC were so overwhelmingly large compared to the rest of the buildings in Manhattan, they were required to submit demolition plans before they were allowed to be built. The answer for this, very secretively for obvious reasons, was to have small tactical nukes stored in the basements of all the buildings on site in case some utter disaster occurred and they were needed to be taken down. Conventional CD would not have worked safely on such tall buildings!

It was his contention that a low yield tactical nuke placed in the basement and with most of its force aimed upwards would produce the effects we saw that day including concrete floors turning to dust instantaneously (the water in the concrete boils and explodes), the core coming apart by molecular disintegration (the observed black smoke rising like a mushroom cloud was gaseous iron), the bedrock in the basement showing signs of having been recently evaporated and melted and then coalescing again, and the entire building coming down in seconds. Oh, almost forgot the sustained 3-4 month long heat in the basement that no amount of water could cool off, a sure sign of residual nuclear fission and an enormous extra energy source that no amount of 'kerosene' can account for. It is documented that 100,000s of gallons of a special foam that was called 'heat absorbing' but actually used to absorb radiation was ordered within days of the start of the cleanup and spread all over the pile floor.

The Benjamin Fulford information from last fall gives more clues as to what 911 was about and also mentions nukes. Other people have surmised that some of the damage was from thermate accounting for the residual red and gray specks found in the rubble but the amount of thermate needed to take down such massive buildings would have been close to the weight of the buildings themselves, nearly a 1:1 ratio. It just was not feasible, nor would it have produced the effects seen.

There are a lot of first responders now suffering from the effects of radiation poisoning but it's being hidden by the poison from all the other sources, including the air that the EPA assured them was 'safe to breathe'.

See people, the thing here is this: No one 'conspiracy theorist' or 'truther' can know the whole story. It's all conjecture on our part. But if the government is lying about any one detail, even if a relatively small one, well that calls into question their entire story. Christie Whitman assuring the people of lower Manhattan and what was left of the decimated police and fire departments that the air was safe to breathe shows the incredible evil that our government is capable of. They weren't worried about 'safety'; they were worried about business as usual. As Bushie Boy said, 'go shopping'. Only the Spawn of the Devil could be so blandly malevolent.

I won't keep posting here, it just brings out the OS stooges. Feel free to read the Fulford material, watch the Khalezov videos, and do a google search for 'the WTC meteorite' and the 'U shaped bent girder' and explain them if you want to disagree with me. Explain where the tens of thousands of toilets, desks, chairs, computers, room dividers, water fountains and filing cabinets went to, if it was some form of pancake collapse. Explain how one person was DNA identified in 200 different body parts or how 1/4 inch pieces of bone were found several hundred feet away on the top of the Deutsche Bank building. There's only so much gravity and kerosene can do..

OP, I presume your friend knows about Firefighters for 911 Truth. It's a smaller group than the Scholars, Engineers and Pilot's groups, but he would find some like minds there. We need more people in uniform to stand up against the cabal of evil that has taken over this country

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
What *I* find suspicious is that the only word of NYFD firefighters who were physically there that have any such suspicions are coming entirely from you truthers.

That's a complete load of pigeon holing crap, and you know it. The only ones that heard explosions are 'truthers'... lol. First off, what the hell is a truther? No seriously...
Second off, there's a massive compendium of testimony and statements collected from various emergency personnel describing secondary explosions, none of which seemed to interest the 9-11 commission despite their objections, there's hours of footage and the crackling explosions are clearly heard and seen, particularly in WTC seven and there's a wealth of reports from witnesses and survivors of explosions in the basements, yet you've got the bollocks to call these people 'truthers' and still assumably sleep at night?

Originally posted by signalfire


If you watch the Dimitri Khalezov material, he maintains that because the WTC were so overwhelmingly large compared to the rest of the buildings in Manhattan, they were required to submit demolition plans before they were allowed to be built. The answer for this, very secretively for obvious reasons, was to have small tactical nukes stored in the basements of all the buildings on site in case some utter disaster occurred and they were needed to be taken down. Conventional CD would not have worked safely on such tall buildings!

I have to say I have a soft spot for basement nukes. There's just something so zany about the idea of keeping nuclear bombs in the basement of office buildings "as a safety feature", "in case some utter disaster occurred"

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Check out this thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
What *I* find suspicious is that the only word of NYFD firefighters who were physically there that have any such suspicions are coming entirely from you truthers.

That's a complete load of pigeon holing crap, and you know it. The only ones that heard explosions are 'truthers'... lol. First off, what the hell is a truther? No seriously...
Second off, there's a massive compendium of testimony and statements collected from various emergency personnel describing secondary explosions, none of which seemed to interest the 9-11 commission despite their objections, there's hours of footage and the crackling explosions are clearly heard and seen, particularly in WTC seven and there's a wealth of reports from witnesses and survivors of explosions in the basements, yet you've got the bollocks to call these people 'truthers' and still assumably sleep at night?

So now we come to embellishment number four: Witnesses hearing explosions gets inflated into "testomony of controlled demolitions". The plane crashed itnto the south tower literally one floor above a mechanical floor chock full of electrical transformers, emergency tanks, generators and electrical motors, pressurized pipes, and lots of other things that go BOOM when on fire, and this is the first floor the plane unloaded thousands of gallons of burnign aviation fuel. Of COURSE eyewitnesses heard explosions. How could they NOT hear explosions? It's only in the minds of the conspiracy mongors that these explosions were actually explosives, simply because they want them to be explosives. If they were actually exposives you wouldn't need to squint at the WTC footage under the light of the full moon while snanding on one foot to see them. Thery'd be right there blatantly in from of everyone.

So yes, I can sleep at night. That's because I don't go to those damned fool conspiracy web sites trying to brainwash me into getting all paranoid over imaginary armies of sinister secret agents plotting to murder us all. Come on now, seriously, if even one microbe of the drivel you're spouting was real the gov't would't be just wringing its hands in anxiety wondering what you theorists are goign to say next. They'd be sending their ninjas with silenced pistols to pay you a visit.

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maybe you should look at your last statement you say you dont go to conspiracy websites whats this site then . you spend a lot of time on 9-11 sites for somebody who does not think it was planned . dont kid a kidder . try ebay instead im sure you will find something there you agree with lol

Originally posted by geobro
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maybe you should look at your last statement you say you dont go to conspiracy websites whats this site then . you spend a lot of time on 9-11 sites for somebody who does not think it was planned . dont kid a kidder . try ebay instead im sure you will find something there you agree with lol

(Sigh) for the five hundredth millionth time...ATS isn't a conspiracy website. It's a conspiracy discussion forum, where anyone on either side of the issue can come and have their say in complete freedom as long as they're civil. Lasers from outer space, nukes in the basement, hologram planes, fake WTC buildings, they're all here. If this was a genuine conspiracy website they'd be pushing an inhouse conspiracy theory and be regulating it strictly to the point of outright censorship. I know this because I was booted off the Loose Change discussion forum after about two weeks. Anyone who revealed themselves to be a no planer was booted off immediately.

ATS' motto is to deny ignorance, and the moderators know we can't do that if they're deliberately favoring one side of the story over the other. In the artful way they're misrepresenting the information they're pushing, characters like Alex Jones and Dylan Avery are clearly depending on ignorance to get you to believe what they want you to believe. Why in heaven or hell would you ever think something like that is funny?

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at work one day i just i just happened to be working with the in law of the head of barcley .who had an office in the twin towers .long story short he got a phone call that day not to go into work .it makes me think of the film fight club where the towers collapse & the debt is scrubbed . it was handy the planes crashing that morning -gold price fixing investigation scrubbed .2.3 trillion scam by military overspending scrubbed . tonnes of gold underground in the vaults gone . yada yada yada . what time did the rest of the world hear about 9-11 plenty of international members here lets ask them

Originally posted by twitchy

That's a complete load of pigeon holing crap, and you know it. The only ones that heard explosions are 'truthers'... lol. First off, what the hell is a truther? No seriously...
Second off, there's a massive compendium of testimony and statements collected from various emergency personnel describing secondary explosions, none of which seemed to interest the 9-11 commission despite their objections, there's hours of footage and the crackling explosions are clearly heard and seen, particularly in WTC seven and there's a wealth of reports from witnesses and survivors of explosions in the basements, yet you've got the bollocks to call these people 'truthers' and still assumably sleep at night?

Dude, this is how it works at ATS.

Eyewitnesses who say they saw a plane hit the Pentagon are telling nothing but hard facts.

Any eyewitnesses at the WTC who heard secondary explosions and experienced unusual events that day are outright lying.

Anything that is not a part of the O.S. is considered B.S.

Welcome to ATS lol

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I'll tell you one he had murdered for sure, Vince Foster. How they got away with this one amazes me to this day. A bit off topic, but it does help illustrate just how corrupt our govt. is.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
I have to say I have a soft spot for basement nukes. There's just something so zany about the idea of keeping nuclear bombs in the basement of office buildings "as a safety feature", "in case some utter disaster occurred"

Yeah, i was going to respond to this guy but then I realized "what was the point?". The claim is just so ludicrous that even discussing it is a waste of time. Besides, the guy is openly admitting he's getting the idea entirely from one of those damned fool conspiracy websites so my point was proven before I even clicked the REPLY button.

Originally posted by Mianeye
My "logic" view.

The planes hit the towers, i think we can all agree on that, my judgement is from the videos showing the planes hit.

No, sorry you are making assumptions, I do not agree that planes hit because the media coverage was faked, this is common knowledge and has been proven. Use your brain.

Originally posted by GenRadek
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was once counted out. He lost a lot of money. He still had to pay for the hole in the ground, every month. $10 million a month.

www.cbsnews.com...

After Sept. 11, 2001, Silverstein continued paying rent without interruption of $120 million a year, or $10 million a month (over $300,000 a day).

Sure does suck paying rent with no income from a giant hole in the ground for years. Yea thats a GREAT way to make money.

Remind me to never have a truther be my financial adviser.

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What are you on about? If you add up all that was spent on rent against the money he made from the insurance claims he made then paying 120 million for a few years is small change!

It was all part of the plan, he knew he'd have to pay out until the insurance came in, but he knew he was getting billions, so being a few hundred million initially out of pocket was nothing to him!

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by cdesigns
I think its my first post on this 9/11 forum, but I had to write this, by coincidence I met a firefighter who was in the WTC, I cant say who he is, but lets say he was a TOP person in the fire department and police department, and has experience on controlled demolitions, he rescued a few people that day and also got stuck and had to be rescued, that's all I can say about him.

Suuurrrreeee you did. There's no such thing as someone who'd be "the top person" of the NYFD *and* the NYPD except the mayor becuase they're two completely separate municipal departments. The TOP top leader of the NYFD on 9/11 was former fire commissioner Thomas Von Essen, and he has no experience in controlled demolitions since the NYFD was his only career and he although he was on site (he was almost killed by a falling jumper) he was never stuck. The truthers are accusimg HIM of being involved in the coverup too (he was a Gulliani appointee) so it's obvious he ain't your ally.

This is almost certainly a case of scenario B I suggested earlier, after the "con artist looking to make a fast buck" scenario A of why people are spreading fake conspiracy information- some troller is intentionally posting nonsense as a practical joke so he can laugh his [censored] off at the mischief it might stir up.

kind of 'faker' shill response I expected from you!

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by Mianeye
If you want to create a controlled demolition, and at the same time make it look like the planes damage to the building is the cause of the collapse, you would have to plan this in such a precision that, nothing viewed from outside(witneses or news cameras) would suspect anything else, plus the explosives would have to be absolutly placed right, to not get damaged and fail when the planes hit.

You're right it sounds illogical. But what is more illogical is two planes collapsing three buildings to the ground.
One of which landed in its own footprint.

Imposible IMO, i dont think there where any explosives placed in the building, it would be to risky to fail if you want to do it flawless.

But what if they failed? I'm pretty sure they had that possibility covered. We're not talking about a bunch of amateur criminals here after all.

When it comes down to it, the NIST version of the collapse initiation of the towers is bunk, and they didn't even attempt to explain how the collapses continued until complete failure.

If sagging trusses pulled in and broke massive box columns, 4" thick steel walls, then how come the 5/8", and 1", bolts didn't fail first? NIST didn't cover that. If the bolts were stronger than the core columns, why didn't they simply resist the weight falling on them? IF the trusses sagged from heat why didn't they push the columns out first? NIST didn't explain how steel expands when heated, and would push out if they could, and they sag because they couldn't. If they can't push the columns out they wouldn't be able to pull them in either. I guess NIST didn't expect people to question so deeply? The trusses were attached at each end to different size columns, why did they pull in equally? I guess NIST didn't think details mattered?

So we have lightweight floor trusses, sagging from heat expansion, held by weak-point bolts pulling in columns much larger than both?

That is what they're are trying to claim, and we are the nutty ones.

edit on 4/13/2012 by ANOK because: This space for rent, U2U for rates...

Bang on the money. Strange how you get lots of stars and the KNOWN shills here rarely get any!

Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by ANOK


You're right it sounds illogical. But what is more illogical is two planes collapsing three buildings to the ground.
One of which landed in its own footprint.

In it's own footprint? The debris destroyed the BMCC's Fiterman Hall that had to be rebuilt for 325 million dollars. It also caused extensive damage to the Verizon Building. It's restoration cost over a billion dollars.

Thanks for hilighting more insurance fraud. Yet 2 more reasons not to believe the OS!

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
maybe those bangs were the compression of the floors pancaking ?

the CD story is just so silly

the "pearl harbor" theory, has legs in my opinion. for some reason reasonable and plausible theories get no attention

weird

I even asked my young son what he thought happened and he said it looked like the building was demolished. He is obviously going off what he has seen on TV! If a 10 year old thinks it's a demolition based on common sense then how come many of you adults are not using the same common sense?

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by maxella1
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I wonder what they mean...

These fireman are very clearly talking about secondary explosions.

Does anyone have a link to an old thread where this video was debunked?

I did a search but can't find anything specific to this video.

Sorry, you cannot debunk the truth

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They even caught those same explosions on EQ charts. What caught my attention is your anger over why they did it....the resources the middle east has to offer. Follow the money....Halliburton ..KBR...our Govern...and many many many more...

It got me to thinking how I felt 11 yrs ago and when Bush stole his 1st election. Its
Kind of like finding out Santa isn't really real.....I was devastated.

Now I'm just angry.....very angry. The first time I see a way out of this....I'm taking it!!!